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2013-03-30 10:16:00 AM  
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The original Star Wars movies were epic and myth-infused. It's too bad Lucas didn't start immediately on the next set of movies after he finished "Return of the Jedi" because the original creative spark was obviously long gone before "Episode 1" hit the screen. In terms of evil villains, Anakin's turn to the Dark Side is completely unbelievable and barely explained; I guess once you've revenged yourself on the tribe that murdered your mom, the next logical step is to kill a bunch of small children and betray your friends. The Jedi are a bunch of clueless, arrogant pricks who richly deserved to lose and. indeed, it's hard to understand how they held onto power in the first place. In fact the whole "Look! It's about politics!" thing merely underscored Lucas' complete lack of understanding of politics--in fact, of human nature. His reliance on computer gizmo-try over actual acting merely confirms the decision of his high school nemeses to tape "Kick Me" signs to his back and jam him in a locker.

Star Trek has its faults too--forty years later it's still 1960's American culture transported to the 23rd century with James Bond as captain of a star ship--but at least it attempts to obey the laws of nature, human and otherwise, and presents a future where it's not necessary to have superpowers in order to accomplish something. In the Star Trek universe the engineer is king, and that's a big improvement over Jedi gobbledygook.
2013-03-30 12:58:24 PM  
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No mention of how Star Wars is an Air Force culture, while Star Trek was Naval?

/Old observation, but fundamental.
2013-03-30 12:47:55 PM  
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starsrift: No, you fatuous idiots. If you were truely a fan of both sci-fi's, you would know that Khan was genetically engineered to be a superior human, was smart enough to reason it true based on logical metrics, and was rejected by the planet and society that created him. His villainy in his first appearance on the TOS Trek is a result of a lifetime where "normal" humans have proven duplicitous and impossible to trust, and he also has a quite reasonable desire for vengeance, if misdirected. He wasn't "born bad", the whole humanist approach of that episode is to say that nurture is more important than nature - and nurture had failed Singh.

Starsrift you ignorant slut.

While there were a few non-canon novels written about Khan's childhood, not a thing about his upbringing was mentioned in the episode.  When Spock relates the Eugenics Wars, he states flat-out that the problem was "superior ability breeds superior ambition".  Many augments staged coups and conquered territories and then immediately started fighting each other.  You'd have to adopt a pretty unorthodox definition of "bad" to say that the augments weren't necessarily bad to think of themselves as the natural-born masters of the human herd and that bombing entire populations out of existence (Spock's description again) was a legitimate way to establish the top dog.  There is no duplicity and no "nurture failed Singh" to the global population refusing to be subjugated (quoting ol' pointy-ears again) "like a team of animals under one whip".  Yeah, there were no atrocities under Khan's rule, but there was just as little freedom.   Aw, poor sad socially-rejected Khan, the misunderstood wannabe-Ceasar.  If there is a humanist message, it is that humans are fine the way we are now; we don't need to try and breed a superior race to get Star Trek's optimistic future society.
2013-03-30 10:26:13 AM  
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DerAppie: Reversing the polarity of the deflector dish/positron beam/shields is not cerebral science.

No, but the words used were were "cerebral science  fiction". Despite the forays into technobabble (which got worse with each incarnation of Trek, it seems), the better Star Trek episodes used that as a backdrop for serious (or not so serious) examinations of the human condition. Nowhere in Star Wars's sword-and-sorcery epics do we see the same level of tense conflict as we get in "Balance of Terror". That episode, one of the best in any ST incarnation, adapts the submarine-movie style of battle to space, and builds a boiler-room tension out of it. It's slow and thoughtful. It's a very  cerebral battle, in part because there wasn't the budget or technology for anything else.
2013-03-30 10:08:07 AM  
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