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		Thirty-five Atlanta Public Schools educators, including principals, superintendents and teachers, indicted on racketeering charges for changing answers on state exams of students in order to meet standards. They face 45 years in prison ( wsbtv.com)		201
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naughtyrev

2013-03-29 10:33:50 PM

Principals, subby. Principals.

RodneyToady

2013-03-29 10:40:38 PM

naughtyrev: Principals, subby. Principals.

It seems the principals had no principles.

Bontesla

2013-03-29 10:56:34 PM

RodneyToady: naughtyrev: Principals, subby. Principals.

It seems the principals had no principles.

That's a bingo!

doglover

2013-03-29 10:56:56 PM

Step One: Chronically underfund your educational system by making the budgets local. Thus, the poor areas get the worst budgets.

Step Two: Let morons who couldn't teach a foal to walk (most ungulates are walking mere minutes after birth, btw) decide how to measure scholastic success.

Step Three: Tie fedral aid not to need or number of students, but to success on these silly tests.

Step Four: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

The best quote on the issue I've heard was from a teacher in Norway who, when asked why Norway's schools were so good compared to the US said "In Norway we pay our teachers like they were teachers."

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:01:46 AM

doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

the_chief

2013-03-30 01:02:36 AM

Good use of the Fail tag.

cabbyman

2013-03-30 01:02:46 AM

FALE!

Testiclaw

2013-03-30 01:02:57 AM

They should have been good football players and just raped a few students instead of trying to twist exams to maintain funding.

Much lower penalties that way.

WrongTrousers

2013-03-30 01:03:34 AM

Principals caught?

gadian

2013-03-30 01:03:39 AM

Wait, I can't solve the problem until I know how fast the train is traveling away from Atlanta.

duke3522

2013-03-30 01:03:47 AM

That's a paddling

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:03:58 AM

Some kids need to be left behind. Everyone isn't college material. Part of the reason that we compare so poorly to other countries on test scores is because they start to weed out the trash collectors, fine arts majors and nursing home workers early on. There's nothing wrong with those career paths, but those folks don't need to be taking the SAT.

Peepeye

2013-03-30 01:04:08 AM

45 years seemed excessive until I read this: "Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators". Makes more sense now. Bonuses should be given after the fact, as a surprise incentive for a job well done. Tests are way too easy to cheat on, and tying them to bonuses is asking for trouble.

obamadidcoke

2013-03-30 01:05:18 AM

Silly Jesus: doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

No, Georgia has no merit pay provisions. Teachers do not benefit financially from higher test scores.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:05:30 AM

They actually held self described "erasing parties" at the houses of teachers where they got together at night and erased all the wrong answers of the illiterate morons that they were in charge of educating.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:06:05 AM

obamadidcoke: Silly Jesus: doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

No, Georgia has no merit pay provisions. Teachers do not benefit financially from higher test scores.

So the numerous articles are wrong? As well as the indictment?

Omahawg

2013-03-30 01:10:48 AM

what next? criminal charges 'cause I cheated my way through algebra II?

MurphyMurphy

2013-03-30 01:11:03 AM

Peepeye: 45 years seemed excessive until I read this: "Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators". Makes more sense now. Bonuses should be given after the fact, as a surprise incentive for a job well done. Tests are way too easy to cheat on, and tying them to bonuses is asking for trouble.

So which is it?

jaytkay

2013-03-30 01:11:24 AM

This happened in Houston, too. The school superintendent Rod Paige was punished severely.

Kidding!

George W Bush made him US Secretary of Education.

Apos

2013-03-30 01:12:10 AM

No Cheat Left Behind

teenage mutant ninja rapist

2013-03-30 01:14:28 AM

Its a valuable lesson for students to learn. You gotta cheat to succeed. Just dont get caught.

wallywam1

2013-03-30 01:15:03 AM

It would be hilarious if the teachers changed the answers and the scores ended up lower than the originals.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:15:32 AM

MurphyMurphy: Peepeye: 45 years seemed excessive until I read this: "Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators". Makes more sense now. Bonuses should be given after the fact, as a surprise incentive for a job well done. Tests are way too easy to cheat on, and tying them to bonuses is asking for trouble.

obamadidcoke: Silly Jesus: doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

No, Georgia has no merit pay provisions. Teachers do not benefit financially from higher test scores.

So which is it?

Unless obamadidcoke is one of the teachers or something, I'm gonna go with the newspaper articles and the official indictment and say that they got bonuses.

Notabunny

2013-03-30 01:15:40 AM

fta Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators.

So their ability to provide for their families is tied to their students' test scores? GENIUS!

doglover

2013-03-30 01:15:55 AM

That's also possible.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:17:08 AM

Notabunny: fta Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators.

So their ability to provide for their families is tied to their students' test scores? GENIUS!

The Superintendent provided for her family by fleeing town and going to Hawai'i for several weeks immediately after the charges dropped.

worlddan

2013-03-30 01:17:09 AM

In that state a grand jury would indict a cow for making milk if they prosecutor told them it was a socialist cow.

Clemkadidlefark

2013-03-30 01:17:30 AM

Outdamnstanding

.... National Federation of Teachers last seen loading rounds into M1A1 Abrams tanks of their counter-strike fleet to burn the Georgia Capitol to the ground ... Randi Weingarten vows "This illegal measure will not stand, and we will let Georgia know who's boss!"

Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter asks Weingarten "Can you spell boss?"

Weingarten instructs her bodyguards to shoot reporter ...

Ready-set

2013-03-30 01:19:03 AM

A) no way

B) can't be

C) no shiat

c... C!... C!!!!!

Notabunny

2013-03-30 01:19:30 AM

Silly Jesus: Notabunny: fta Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators.

So their ability to provide for their families is tied to their students' test scores? GENIUS!

The Superintendent provided for her family by fleeing town and going to Hawai'i for several weeks immediately after the charges dropped.

Do you happen to know if she's interested in adopting adult children?

Great Odins Raven

2013-03-30 01:21:24 AM

doglover: Step One: Chronically underfund your educational system by making the budgets local. Thus, the poor areas get the worst budgets.

Step Two: Let morons who couldn't teach a foal to walk (most ungulates are walking mere minutes after birth, btw) decide how to measure scholastic success.

Step Three: Tie fedral aid not to need or number of students, but to success on these silly tests.

Step Four: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

The best quote on the issue I've heard was from a teacher in Norway who, when asked why Norway's schools were so good compared to the US said "In Norway we pay our teachers like they were teachers."

Really? That's the best quote you have heard on this? That's terrible. Like students will start performing when teachers get paid more for their part time jobs.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:21:39 AM

Notabunny: Silly Jesus: Notabunny: fta Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators.

So their ability to provide for their families is tied to their students' test scores? GENIUS!

The Superintendent provided for her family by fleeing town and going to Hawai'i for several weeks immediately after the charges dropped.

Do you happen to know if she's interested in adopting adult children?

Only ones that don't have John Edwards hair. Sorry.

TV's Vinnie

2013-03-30 01:22:05 AM

That's what happens when our educational system has more to do with mindless SAT scores than actual lessons.

Nutsac_Jim

2013-03-30 01:22:28 AM

doglover: Step Four: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for ~~their schools~~. themselves.

"Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators. "

way to spin theft as a virtue.

BarkingUnicorn

2013-03-30 01:24:02 AM

Or just keeping their jobs.

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:25:42 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

Or just keeping their jobs.

Didn't work out too well. Maybe they can start a GED program for prisoners while they are in the big house. Will probably be about the same as teaching Atlanta public school kids.

Dialectic

2013-03-30 01:26:48 AM

Rarely is the question asked ...is our children learning?

Apparently not!

Frederf

2013-03-30 01:27:03 AM

Forty-five years is a loooooooooooong sentence for a white-collar crime. Like, kill a man and be out in half of that long. I would have expected 10-15.

Nutsac_Jim

2013-03-30 01:29:53 AM

I have always thought it should be merit pay based on the kids scores. Not the raw score, but how well a teacher brings the kids up to higher level. It should not be based on the class scores, or else teachers with the smart kids get the bonus.

base it on all your incoming kids, and how much better than average you bring the end of year scores.
End of year test can be given by the next years teacher. They certainly will not want to see any shenanigans with falsly padding the score, because it would make it tougher for the next teacher the next year.

GungFu

2013-03-30 01:30:28 AM

No need. Just change the exam results.

derpy

2013-03-30 01:30:35 AM

Silly Jesus: Some kids need to be left behind. Everyone isn't college material. Part of the reason that we compare so poorly to other countries on test scores is because they start to weed out the trash collectors, fine arts majors and nursing home workers early on. There's nothing wrong with those career paths, but those folks don't need to be taking the SAT.

What Silly Jesus may look like:

ontariolightning

2013-03-30 01:31:30 AM

45 years in prison but banksters go scott free?

Kevin72

2013-03-30 01:32:09 AM

Georgia's moral compass:

Hillbilly Jim

2013-03-30 01:32:15 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Peepeye: 45 years seemed excessive until I read this: "Investigators believe the test scores were tied to monetary bonuses for at least 35 former teachers and administrators". Makes more sense now. Bonuses should be given after the fact, as a surprise incentive for a job well done. Tests are way too easy to cheat on, and tying them to bonuses is asking for trouble.

I have always thought it should be merit pay based on the kids scores. Not the raw score, but how well a teacher brings the kids up to higher level. It should not be based on the class scores, or else teachers with the smart kids get the bonus.

base it on all your incoming kids, and how much better than average you bring the end of year scores.
End of year test can be given by the next years teacher. They certainly will not want to see any shenanigans with falsly padding the score, because it would make it tougher for the next teacher the next year.

How about we just fund schools so they all have at least the basics and hire enough quality teachers. The lets try to let the teachers teach instead of programming kids for standardized tests. I know crazy idea right?

RottNDude

2013-03-30 01:32:20 AM

"How do I reach theeeez keeeeedz???"

violentsalvation

2013-03-30 01:32:37 AM

cabbyman: FALE!

gadian

2013-03-30 01:32:41 AM

I pity the poor shiat who gets the class of fark ups that year then. Or the poor shiat who gets mostly great kids who have really no big percentage to improve. Or the poor shiat that has the one loud, fark up kid that drags the rest of the class down and they can't get rid of or the poor shiat that....

Any of the poor shiats who would be subjected to such a method of pay.

RottNDude

2013-03-30 01:33:27 AM

Damn you GungFu and damn my slow phone ;)

Silly Jesus

2013-03-30 01:33:53 AM

It's the fault of the parents, not the teachers. Start punishing parents for failing children. My children were ahead of the rest of their class when they first saw a teacher in pre-K. They remained ahead of the other children throughout school. I started teaching them colors and shapes and the alphabet as early as possible and they went in to the classroom way ahead. There is only so much that a teacher can do to pull up a kid whose parents have dropped the ball.

BarkingUnicorn

2013-03-30 01:35:13 AM

Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: doglover: Act shocked when people who actually care about kids resort to criminal enterprise to get enough money for their schools.

Might have had something to do with the bonuses that the teachers got paid as well.

Or just keeping their jobs.

Didn't work out too well. Maybe they can start a GED program for prisoners while they are in the big house. Will probably be about the same as teaching Atlanta public school kids.

Heh! You're probably right.

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