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(IGN)   Ten reasons why Obi-Wan Kenobi was the worst Jedi ever   ( ign.com) divider line
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2013-03-23 08:10:22 PM  
7 votes:
All these reasons come down to "Because Lucas just made it up as he went along" and then when he made the prequels just came up with any old plot to shoehorn characters in even though the original trilogy didn't even hint that they were connected.
2013-03-23 08:39:19 PM  
2 votes:
Well, that was phoned in. Note to self: IGN joins the IO9 League of FAIL.
2013-03-23 08:38:20 PM  
2 votes:
He wasn't just incompetent, he was also a huge dick. When your supposed best friend forever who turned evil is laying on the ground after a duel, missing all his arms and legs, and is ON FIRE in incredible pain, the right thing to do is to put him out of his misery with a quick swipe of your lightsaber. Just walking away and leaving him there in agony is a bit of an asshole move.
2013-03-25 10:08:56 AM  
1 vote:
Oh, and then there's Obi-Wan's "gotcha" to Anakin, during the big face off:

ANAKIN:  If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
OBI-WAN:  Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

Disregard the irony of Obi-Wan's comeback for a minute and compare/contrast it with Yoda's "Try not!  Do; or do not.  There is no try."

My Jedi faith crisis is complete.
2013-03-24 09:06:05 AM  
1 vote:

grinding_journalist: making me realize how much I'm looking forward to introducing my yet-unborn son to Star Wars.

/starting with ANH, of course

ANH, ESB, TPM, AotC, RotS, RotJ. Show him the films in that order.

Think about it- it's the best way to preserve the narrative.
2013-03-23 11:56:03 PM  
1 vote:
I hate hate HATE the prequels, but I'm drunk, so here's my shot:

1) The answer is the same for every "would Superhero A beat Superhero B?" hypothetical: the winner is whoever the writer wants to win. How else could Batman ever possibly beat Superman? Or how could the Punisher possibly kill any X-Man? For story reasons, Maul HAD to kill Qui-Gon.

2) Lazy writing. "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." -Mutherfarkin' Yoda. Replace "size" with "age". Book it. Dooku.

3) One of the few compelling themes in the Prequels was the idea that regardless of the machinations of Palpatine, the Republic was dying. The Galactic Senate was ineffective, had weak leadership and rife corruption, and even the Jedi council had felt its connection to the Force diminished, and their ability to use it to guide their decisions clouded. Obi was barely a Jedi himself when he became Anakin's master, and was a poor choice to be named Master of such a powerful, willful padawan as Anakin proved to be. But this is like blaming Eddard Stark for trusting Littlefinger and Varys. It was an error that served the narrative.

4) Again, the dark side of the Force seeks to obscure, and in the final days of the Republic, even the Jedi council was unable to use it to properly guide their decisions, as stated.

5) Obi left Vader mostly without limbs, and within feet of a river of flowing lava. I'm no Volcanist, but I think it would be reasonable to assume such injuries, and that proximity to molten lava would be highly fatal. Yeah, a mercy beheading would have been a kindness, but this is a guy who had just force-choked his beloved, knowing she was preggers. Fark him, and let him suffer an agonizingly slow death.

6) The Death Star was a battle station, not an exploratory craft like Star Trek's Enterprise. As such, its highly unlikely it was manned by anything other than evil Imperial Troops, evil Imperial pilots, and very evil Imperial janitors, whose cadre of trash compactor monsters were both feared and hated. DEATH TO THEM ALL!

7) OK, this is actually a legit beef. "Let's post one of our last living Jedi Knights within a landspeeder's drive of the progeny of the primary reason why he's one of our last living Jedi Knights, but let's have the kid be raised by ignorant moisture farmers!" Really? As adept as Vader was at hunting down force-sensates, it would have far more sensible for Obi to simple raise Luke from infancy, and prepare/train him for his inevitable show-down. And this still could have served the needs of the writers.

8) I guess this is kind of legit, but if Luke had known all along that Leia was his sister, it could have been more easily detected by Vader, which was the whole point of keeping the twins apart in the first place. If anything, Obi should have thanked Luke for informing him about Leia's call for help, and that he'd handle it alone. Of course, there goes Ep 4's plot right down the shiatter...

9) My impression is that Force ghosts are only apparent to Jedi, or at the bare minimum Force-sensates with at least some marginal training. That's why only Luke could see the gang at the end of Ep 6. And why Obi-ghost would be unable to call upon Han, Leia, the Rebel's Tauntaun herder, etc.

10) Flawed premise. Obi (not to mention Yoda) withholding this info from Luke had nothing to do with Luke being able to sense good/paternal love from Vader. Furthermore, the knowledge that Vader was Luke's father (and that Obi farked him up big time) would only make him more receptive to the idea that Vader was redeemable, something Obi had good reason to believe was not possible.
2013-03-23 09:10:54 PM  
1 vote:
This one confuses me:

5) He killed the Jedi
At the Emperor's bidding, Darth Vader was almost singlehandedly responsible for the destruction of the entire Jedi Order, thus allowing Palpatine to take control of the galaxy with virtually no opposition. Oh well, what can you do, right? It's not like there was a moment when Darth Vader was completely at the mercy of a Jedi.

EXCEPT THERE TOTALLY WAS.  At the end of Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan cuts off Anakin's limbs. Sure, he  could have ended Anakin's misery and saved the Jedi a galaxy of hurt by decapitating him but instead, Kenobi just walks away. Turns out Karma's a Sith.

Um, hadn't the Emperor already given the order to execute Order 66?
2013-03-23 08:41:19 PM  
1 vote:

Flint Ironstag: All these reasons come down to "Because Lucas just made it up as he went along" and then when he made the prequels just came up with any old plot to shoehorn characters in even though the original trilogy didn't even hint that they were connected.

Just about everything Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan said ended up being contradicted by a later movie.

"Darth Vader killed your father."
"Yoda, the Jedi master who trained me."
"Only Imperial stormtroopers are this precise."
2013-03-23 08:35:21 PM  
1 vote:
Did the writer really pull the independent contractor bit about the Death Star?  Somebody needs to tell him to stop streaming movies when he has a deadline looming.
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