From Philly to Boston: And nothing happens. We all cry and gnash our teeth and do nothing.
IkonOlator: /Bash the TSA all you want//The terrorists did not win by forcing travelers to deal with the TSA. The terrorists want to kill us, destroy property, and cause us, well, terror. They don't give a fark about causing us inconvenience at the airport.
Weaver95: nothing will change.
HotIgneous Intruder: Bwahaha: But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.They won.Osama won.
Gyrfalcon: Really, it's horrible, but the simple fact is, somebody can think of a reason why we have to have the TSA do this, and things will proceed as they have been since 9/11. The sentence will start like this: "It is terrible that an active-duty soldier could be treated like this...BUT..." and anything said after the word "but" will be reason enough to maintain the status quo, even if it's "He might pull out his robe and wizard hat from his hollow wooden legs and transform the airplane into a dragon."
Gyrfalcon: The important part of "terrorism" is not that the victims or target remain in a state of "terror"--which is hard to maintain, after all--but that they alter their habits or politics after the initial act of terrorism. Saying "The terrorists have won" doesn't mean we remain in a state of terror but that we have altered our patterns of behavior to accommodate what the terrorists did EVEN AFTER the terroristic act has passed.So al-Qaeda, by killing just over 3000 people, altered the behavior of over 300 million Americans without ever harming another American on US soil. They didn't have to kill us or destroy any more property to "terrorize" us, but the did have far-reaching psychological repercussions, don't you think? I'd say they pretty well achieved their goals on that day, and never had to spend another moment in America again. Of course, they lost in the long run; but that was a strategic failure, not a tactical one. But tactically, terrorism is seldom about killing large numbers of people; it's about forcing your target to do what you want him to do so you can exploit the change in behavior (or not).
Gergesa: I think it has been reported that the TSA is a dead end job filled with bottom of the barrel types. I can't say I am too surprised by anything I have read in this thread.
TheShavingofOccam123: Gyrfalcon: Really, it's horrible, but the simple fact is, somebody can think of a reason why we have to have the TSA do this, and things will proceed as they have been since 9/11. The sentence will start like this: "It is terrible that an active-duty soldier could be treated like this...BUT..." and anything said after the word "but" will be reason enough to maintain the status quo, even if it's "He might pull out his robe and wizard hat from his hollow wooden legs and transform the airplane into a dragon."We have the TSA because of civil liabilities for the airlines. The federal government bailed the airlines out after 9-11. Too bad the airlines didn't install hardened cockpits before the attacks.The airlines got bailed out, the civil liabilities for future attacks are covered by the federal government now. Everybody wins. Except for disable Marines and millions of other travelers./A ticket agent almost stopped two of the hijackers for irregularities on their paperwork. Didn't want to get sued. /That's why have the TSA now.
MattyFridays: I've said this before, and I will say it again:Staff TSA with returning military personnel. They follow rules to the letter, they know what real terrorists look like, and they carry a real authority people can respect compared to less-than-rent-a-cops that TSA is.That said, being a better informed consumer when going through TSA checkpoints is your best bet to handle these goons. KNOW your rights. Exercise them. And film, film, film.
Bwahaha: Yes, soldiers are people too. But is it too much to ask to have a little sense used in the airport screening system? They said that they had to confiscate my Zippo. I asked why. They couldn't give a reason why. I asked them if they were afraid that I might catch the goddamn plane on fire with a cigarette lighter, and they sent me to secondary screening. So, then it was a choice between making more of a fuss over them stealing my Zippo, and missing the plane, or letting them steal the lighter and carry on.To my embarrassment, I put my shoes back on, did up my belt, and sheepishly made my way on board. So, yes, soldiers are people too. And I was a soldier. But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.
Bwahaha: But we have lost more than we might be willing to admit since 911. A heck of a lot.
kiwimoogle84: JRoo: Oh god, I'm going to hell.That headline made me laugh so hard....please tell me you posted that in the wrong thread. There's absolutely nothing funny about this.
Zarquon's Flat Tire: cman: Soldiers are people, too.They have the same amount of risk as the mean folk when it comes to violence.DTA: Dont Trust AnyoneMust be tough to choose between a do nothing government agency whose sole reason for existence is to give illusion of safety and a wounded veteran. Typical lib.
awalkingecho: It's reasonable; if he's bitter about losing his legs, he could conceivably try and strike a revenge blow against the nation that made him sacrifice them.
Elzar: A Romney administration would have disbanded it by now
Ambivalence: From Philly to Boston: And nothing happens. We all cry and gnash our teeth and do nothing.Eventually some republican lawmaker's kid will be affected then all hell will break loose.
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