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(WHEC Rochester)   Police chief decides to get tough & intimidate gang leaders....by sending them letters by mail   ( whec.com) divider line
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3861 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Mar 2013 at 12:43 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-03-19 12:54:42 AM  
3 votes:
I have to wonder how many of the recipients of these letters are capable of reading them.
2013-03-19 05:03:24 AM  
2 votes:

This is not a fail. This is a WIN.

A "fail" is continuing the idiotic escalation of conflict and militarization of police forces.  Look at the homepage of the oxford, alabama police department at oxfordpd dot org.  the header images there are an obscene testament to decades of idiotic thinking of how policing should be done.  50 years ago that was sheriff of mayberry territory (extremely racist sheriff of mayberry, but that's another story).  Now it's SWAT and Humvees.

Basically, it marginalizes criminals from society and tells them that they are on the 'outside' and that we are making a wall against them.  this strategy only works if you are prepared to spend a HELL of a lot of money on walls and militarized pds like oxford al.

This 'letter' strategy is a cheap way to think a bit more intelligently and in a way that has been proven to work, worldwide, with gang members- especially marginal ones.  Let them see their actions as harmful to the community.  Make them stakeholders in their communities.  Give them direction and ideas when often they come from backgrounds that give them neither.

Will the letters themselves do something?  Probably not - but you never know.  They cost almost nothing compared to one hour of fuel for the latest tank car and they can plant seeds that then can be extended elsewhere.  But the point is they are part of an overall strategy that can work and has worked elsewhere.
2013-03-19 01:11:37 AM  
2 votes:

Popular Opinion: not much worse than british police

in california, the police shout BLAM BLAM "Stop! Or I'll shoot!"

in england, they yell "Stop! Or I'll yell stop again!"

2013-03-19 12:48:04 AM  
2 votes:
In fact, they should send out deputies to serve these letters to certify that they got them. Prove it to these gang members that you're serious.
2013-03-19 08:58:27 AM  
1 vote:

Pribar: Popular Opinion: not much worse than british police

in california, the police shout BLAM BLAM "Stop! Or I'll shoot!"

in england, they yell "Stop! Or I'll yell stop again!"


I think you mean:

in california, the police shout "IT'S DORNER!!" *blamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamb lamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblamblam... "
2013-03-19 06:50:33 AM  
1 vote:

Harry_Seldon: It is really not such a bad idea, and it is relatively inexpensive. It's effectiveness depends on the quality of the stationery, and level of personalization.

Level of personalisation? Hmmm... Maybe the cops should include pictures of the gangbanger's children while they are at "school" or the girlfriend while she is at "work". Show the gangbanger you know who he is and where and who his important persons are.
2013-03-19 06:04:42 AM  
1 vote:

Buster 49: I have to wonder how many of the recipients of these letters are capable of reading them.

I imagined a pack of gang bangers trying to read the letter. Then I remembered that they wouldn't give a shiat.

/what do you think it says?
//it's a cop thing. That's the cop badge from the jail.
2013-03-19 04:02:38 AM  
1 vote:
Should have sent out notices that they've won free blu-ray players or flat-screens, then arrested them when they showed up to collect their prize.
2013-03-19 03:02:24 AM  
1 vote:

Fat-D: But will the letters actually make the streets safer?


To be honest, you're looking at about $10 per letter, most of that having the detective put the right information into the form letter.  If it has a .01% success rate, that's about $100k per 'reform'.  5 years in prison runs $150k, and that doesn't include court costs, and it's only about 30-40% effective at reforming the criminals.  With costs like those, intervention programs BEFORE you have to send them to prison make sense.

So, I'd rate it as a interesting experiment.  Humans are social animals in the end, and you can get some weird results.  I just hope he has some controls in place to see whether it actually works.
2013-03-19 02:19:55 AM  
1 vote:
Lets look at this a different way: if a (respected) gang leader would actually sit down with the police chief, wouldn't that be a good thing? Stranger things have happened. Think 60's. I hope something comes of this. Honestly-all snark aside- maybe in some small way, this can work. We've all got to be open minded if we want the violence and hatred to end.
please, lets try everything to end violence.
2013-03-19 01:55:39 AM  
1 vote:
I do so love bully tactics.
But when the victims of this threatening letter campaign head on up to the DA's office(or who the fark) to file a complaint and charges, he calls the cops to arrest them for making threats against the police.

/It is basically like when you confiscate a grow-op house under proceeds of crime laws and you know that 99% of the time the Perps won't fight it.
//Free money honey.
2013-03-19 12:49:30 AM  
1 vote:
Now that's a man who plans to stamp out crime.
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