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(PC Magazine)   An open letter to EA: I farking told you this would happen   ( pcmag.com) divider line
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13336 clicks; posted to Geek » on 08 Mar 2013 at 2:02 PM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-03-08 01:55:45 PM  
8 votes:
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2013-03-08 04:13:32 PM  
5 votes:
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2013-03-08 03:04:41 PM  
5 votes:
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2013-03-08 02:40:32 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-03-08 04:53:14 PM  
2 votes:

lousyskater: Pixiest: Geez, that always connected DRM stuff really blows. I guess I'll just stick with World of Warcraft.

That's not a very good comparison. The whole point of an MMO is to play with other people, where SimCity has mostly been a single player game. Also, Blizzard at least refunded game time back in the early years of WoW when the servers were still fairly unstable and unplayable for days at a time. EA's strategy is "Too bad, we already have your money. Now GTFO"

/always online single player games are terrible and should have never come to pass
//I'm looking at you D3

You lookin' at me?!?
2013-03-08 02:45:51 PM  
2 votes:
Best city yet
2013-03-08 02:14:52 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah I have no interest in this game.   Off to pirate it!
2013-03-08 02:11:52 PM  
2 votes:
Good letter. I'm not interested in playing this game, but I'm going to pirate it and let the .iso sit on my hard drive, just because fark you, EA.
2013-03-08 01:27:29 PM  
2 votes:
Let EA be the wrecked ship on the rocky, treacherous shores of DRM that show other companies where not to sail.
2013-03-08 11:33:58 PM  
1 vote:

MrEricSir: MurphyMurphy: MrEricSir: Look dude, I hate DRM too. But the problem here isn't DRM, it's that EA is completely incompetent.

No they aren't.

They will fark up whatever they want, what they won't do is stray from their hard-line stance. In their book, if they keep pushing this drm shiat eventually people will just swallow it (and they may be right).

Unless you're saying they intended for the servers to suffer a massive blackout that prevents people from paying a game they just paid $60 for, I'm not sure what you mean by asserting that they're not incompetent. That just doesn't make any sense.

Incompetence suggests they were simply unprepared for the launch fallout.

I'm telling you, they knew exactly what would happen. There was nothing incompetent about it.

Months before your new video game didn't work, they had meetings and detailed cost-benefit analysis that showed it would cost more money for them to have platforms in place to support the heavy user load than it would to just roll out a much lower cost solution.

Besides, from a pure cost-benefit standpoint... why spend the massive amount of money to KNOW you will be able to support a highballed guess at anticipated user load on release day? What if you spend too much and buy too many servers (which you most certainly will have to do)? That's money wasted in 6mos when user load is 40% of what it is now.

Just roll out the servers you know will support a conservative estimate of users, save yourself the money, and then use the stats of the customer's that can't play to make a calculated choice of how many more assets to deploy server-side.

You are buying the game either way, what difference does it make to them if you're inconvenienced for a couple/few weeks? Not enough customers are smart enough to know better and hit their bottom line on the next title.... sure people might catch on eventually, but if they haven't by now it's going to happen so far down the road that's someone elses problem.

Mind you I don't agree with any of this, but you're nuts if you don't think there aren't 2 dozen VPs at EA that make their living repeating this over and over again in meetings.

It's all about the bottom line, and no matter how many poor reviews they get on Amazon, they already made their money on this. They made all their development costs back before you all realized the servers weren't working. And when they release the next big title game, enough people will preorder to justify the continuation of this mindset.

You think their incompetent because they didn't give you a working game.

They don't exist to make you happy, they exist to take your money, and no matter how much biatching is done they keep succeeding in that department. I see no incompetence here on their part, only on that of gullible consumers and their expectations.

Go preorder their next game. I'm sure they'll learn all sorts of lessons and next time your game is going to work as awesomely as you expected. Next time for sure.
2013-03-08 11:05:55 PM  
1 vote:
I think it would be fun to dig out the old Spore threads and compare them to these now.
2013-03-08 11:01:21 PM  
1 vote:

traylor: TFA: Let me say this straight off: the DRM and online features in a game are part of a game

A-ha, so your first challenge in the game is to get through the DRM. THIS IS PART OF THE GAME.

Wait, I have an idea for a new game genre. There will be nothing in the games but dozens of DRM algorithms and the goal will be to get through all of them. Sounds good, no? First one wins, others can EABOD.

Please have your code wheel ready.
2013-03-08 08:19:08 PM  
1 vote:

Tommy Moo: Girion47: Yeah I have no interest in this game.   Off to pirate it!

Just out of curiosity, is that even feasible? Has someone already hacked the source code and released a version that doesn't ping EAs servers for license permission?

No. And nobody has actually hacked Diablo III, either, although random ITGs claim to have. It is very likely that not only can it not be done, but that there is no way for these games to be "patched" by the developer to be playable offline - ever. When they shut the servers down to force you to buy their next P.O.S. , your game will be gone.
2013-03-08 06:49:06 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Played for 3 hours last night and really enjoyed it. Now I haven't logged on to see if it's still there, but I dont care. It's my first city and it's on a really small map with only 2 other players so I dont plan to mess with it for too long.

That and I had to play with base graphics because I needed a better graphics card for the shiny stuff.

That card is sitting in my car right now, so happy.

It might work better in your computer
2013-03-08 06:34:17 PM  
1 vote:

Rincewind53: Great Janitor: How bad is the video game industry doing?  I have friends who work at the Gamestop Corporate office.  Years ago, Gamestop used to be on the Fortune 500.  Gamestop had piles of money and they used it to do upgrade sections of the corporate office, they bought some off site property to expand their refurbishment department, picked up several companies to expand their brand.  Now, in late January they eliminated several positions in the corporate office as well as closed over 80 stores, dissolving several districts.  Right now is annual review time and so far everyone who's gotten their review back has had poor reviews.  Some think that the company might be gearing up for another round of lay offs, others think the poor reviews are Gamestop's way of avoiding payraises that they've already announced that they can not afford.  Part of the problem is that it's been six years since a major console was released and with the next gen consoles not expected to be out until Maybe December of this year, it's going to be a hard year for Gamestop.  Another problem for Gamestop is the software company's war against used gaming, and Gamestop is their target (and gamers the victims).  They argue that Gamestop has made a billion dollar empire off of used games, but gives none of that money to the software companies (which makes as much sense as Carmax selling used cars but not sending any of that money to the auto makers).  There are several rumors about the next Playstation and Xbox not allowing used games by requiring online connection to verify that the disk is a new disk, to activation codes to on line only.  All moves that will ultimately kill the video game industry, at least the console gaming industry.

Gamestop is dying because of digital distribution, Amazon, and the general price point for new video games. End of story.

Gamestop's fate has very little to do with the do with the health of the video game industry as a whole.

Well that and because they never have Battletoads.
2013-03-08 05:52:39 PM  
1 vote:
First sign that there might have been a problem?

You love playing SimCity so much you'll pay $60 for it the first day it comes out.
2013-03-08 05:46:02 PM  
1 vote:

Girion47: The problem with #5? There's no negative feedback for the company to change it's ways.

Wait what?  How can a loss of sales not be "negative feedback" given that sales is pretty much the major feedback a company gets?
2013-03-08 04:14:52 PM  
1 vote:

soporific: We need this.

Because EA's the hero Gamers deserve, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
2013-03-08 03:44:04 PM  
1 vote:

Lumbar Puncture: rufus-t-firefly: This guy (from the Amazon reviews) has a better letter

Without looking, I bet that's from Chris Kluwe.

Ohh Kluwe's already weighed in on Twitter
2013-03-08 03:41:50 PM  
1 vote:
Geez, that always connected DRM stuff really blows. I guess I'll just stick with World of Warcraft.
2013-03-08 03:10:31 PM  
1 vote:

rufus-t-firefly: ...

Anyone else find it slightly ironic that in the midst of that long complaint about how much EA sucks and paying for features sucks, he pays lip services to using consoles to play... an EA game & praises the DLC install?
2013-03-08 03:10:31 PM  
1 vote:
1) EA can eat a dick, mainly because they were bad at DRM, not because of the DRM itself.

2) looks like another thread where people front the old false choice:

I can either (a) get X unlawfully, or (b) get X lawfully but with lots of annoying things attached (DRM, Cable TV to wtach HBO show, trailers, commercials, etc.).

This of course forgets the key third choice:

(c) i can go without.

I just find it really funny that in every one of these threads there is the sense that people are entitled to a thing in exactly the way they want it.  If they cannot buy it exactly the way they want it, they will obtain it unlawfully.  That is not a justification . . . its not even really an excuse. 

If you think EA sucks, you can not buy EA's products.  You have that right.  And if enough people do that, EA will either fold or will need to do what people want.  There is, however, no moral justification for saying EA's policies are dumb, so i will unlawfully obtain their product.
2013-03-08 02:57:46 PM  
1 vote:

from my blood: PCMAG.com has popups.  2 of them in fact.
This is just as annoying as single player games requiring server access.
When will web sites learn?

1. Enter profanities in the questionnaire
2. Enter false, disgusting email address.
3. Avoid the offending web sites.
4.... nothing.

What are 'ads'?
2013-03-08 02:49:34 PM  
1 vote:
the amount of nerd crying in this is the annoying part.   I get it, the servers aren't working right.  But is it worth all the wrist slitting emo bullshiat?  fark.  You nerds need better priority.
2013-03-08 02:43:15 PM  
1 vote:

show me: Great Janitor: EA can charge $60 for the disk, then $15 to unlock each team on the disk

Wow, I thought it was overpriced to begin with, but this is real? Holy shiat, glad I was never interested in getting it.

No.  Well, the $60 for the game is real, plus more money for unlocking parts of the disk.  The $15 to unlock each team I made up as an example to show just what EA could do and how the fans would still buy.

EA, if you do this, you're a dick.  Secondly, it was my idea, I expect a cut of the profits.
2013-03-08 02:36:24 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: Also, a prediction for the future: if you release an expansion or paid DLC to make the extremely small city areas bigger (instead of making it a free fix for one of the game's legitimate mechanical flaws), people are going to be unhappy all over again. We're all expecting it, and none of us are going to appreciate it when it happens.

Subway DLC. Book it. Done.

Yeah, they're probably going to roll out every feature of SimCity 4, $10 at a time.
2013-03-08 02:23:04 PM  
1 vote:
Also, a prediction for the future: if you release an expansion or paid DLC to make the extremely small city areas bigger (instead of making it a free fix for one of the game's legitimate mechanical flaws), people are going to be unhappy all over again. We're all expecting it, and none of us are going to appreciate it when it happens.

Subway DLC. Book it. Done.
2013-03-08 02:21:59 PM  
1 vote:
I won't pay a cent for this game until the major issues (reloadable saves, always-on and forced multi-player) are fixed.

I am willing to pirate it, not even to play but just so some EA asshat can watch the number of torrents and downloads sky rocket.
2013-03-08 01:42:59 PM  
1 vote:

kumanoki: Let EA be the wrecked ship on the rocky, treacherous shores of DRM that show other companies where not to sail.

See... I wouldn't really have a problem with EA destroying them self.  Glob knows they've been trying for years.  The problem I have is that they're a black hole of suck, drawing in development studios and franchises... pulling the good parts of the industry deep within their dark maw.  Never to be seen again.

Never.  To be seen.  AGAIN!
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