make me some tea: Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity. oooo! plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness. awesome job guys! thanks!I think at this point, it will take yet another "shiat getting real" moment to break the political blockades.
Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.
Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity. oooo! plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness. awesome job guys! thanks!
Great Janitor: I say we just drop one nuclear bomb and end this one real fast.
seadoo2006: Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?
Marcintosh: No, sorry no revisionists under this roof. Poor, lazy wording in play here. Thanks for the schoolin' tho-
Rwa2play: The Japanese military where just a bunch of reactionairy asswipes that dragged the whole government along with them. That is all.
tinyarena: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 250x250]Here's a bunch of people who have no idea what they're in for.
Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.Are you really that bereft of sense?
Carth: Thanks! Pictures of ponies and old blog posts! How about we talk about more recent reports like FAS report on North Korean nuclear capabilities, the IISS report on their chemical and biological weapons and the US's own North Korea South Korea war scenario?/spoiler US wins but tens of millions of people die
Great Janitor: hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.So, a war crime, then?Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older? The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years. So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.
Tom_Slick: DeltaPunch: On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?As far as I know, it is something new, as in North Korea you are farking up our relationship with our largest trade partner so STFU. My guess is there will be some actions by Best Korea that will justify an Air Strike that kills Dear Leader and a puppet for the Chinese Government will take his place.
Weaver95: devildog123:I'm thinking we're good.And yet, i'm thinking we're not.
Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.
Prickly Pete: I hope we see a unified Korea in our lifetimes.
DeltaPunch: On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?
Churchy LaFemme: You know what would solve this little crisis?MOAR TAX CUTS!
namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?
WTF Indeed: namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?I smell M.A.S.H. reunion.
chewd: [img560.imageshack.us image 850x895]
BlackCat23: msupf: mootmah: bob_ross: [s12.postimage.org image 600x400]Soon...Haven't those been De-commissioned?they get mothballed, and then pulled back into service. Pilots love the damn ugly beasts, they are still highly effective, and they have a great psychological effect on the battlefield.Michigan nat'l guard has a full wing of them, but that may change this year./still remember watching them fly patrol over SE michigan on and shortly after 9/11CT used to have them, a good friend of mine was a pilot. It was a shameful day when we lost them. But yeah, many were refit from 99-02, new wing reenforcements, nav, avionics, etc. We've just learned to use them sparingly, it seems. They do have a finite life, afterall.and yeah, the stories I've heard about the shock value of the sound. No other plane sounds like it, barring some bombadier(iirc) that uses the same engines. And the gun is demoralizing. I've been in awe of that plane since I was a kid, and a lot of my best memories revolve around it./they used to do the parades in the summer, and it was tradition to buzz friends/families houses//they gave no farks, and did some crazy shiat. Incredible pilots.///I miss seeing those crazy farks flying MoE
Outshined_One: Welp, if they nuke Seoul, I don't think anyone would keep the US from turning Best Korea into Second Best Korea.
Phil Moskowitz: How did a North Korea thread get so gay and kiddie fiddlerish?
Twilight Farkle: Either most the world's billionaires are wrong (always a possibility!), but the high probability outcome is that those with access to resources far greater than you or I have decided that NK's threats are empty.
J. Frank Parnell: Satanic_Hamster: You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action./crazy like a fox!
Marcintosh: military technology? US companies sell them military technology ? WTF is THAT all about?BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater. No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.
Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms. The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.Of course as always with North Korea, this could just be another case of a day ending in "y", any Farkers know if have they ever explicitly shredded the ceasefire agreement before?
Zeno-25: Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and nearly three million reserves.The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.
Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us
BorgiaGinz: Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.On behalf of of all us who live with our families in the Metro DC area, go fark yourself.
Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.
Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.
Happy Hours: namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?That would be the best thing that happened to TV in the last 30 years
hardinparamedic: Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.[arch.413chan.net image 587x335]No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.
cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish
devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:I'm thinking we're good.And yet, i'm thinking we're not.Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response? Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing). Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea? Would a war be good? Of course not. I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it. Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.
IamAwake: hardinparamedic: hat would lead to a nuclear retaliation by China the moment a fallout cloud drifts over their border.how in the world would they be able to distinguish it from the polluted air they already have/make?
Satanic_Hamster: Hey NK![4.bp.blogspot.com image 680x717]
pxlboy: neongoats: fark you NK.Am I here early enough to stop the "container ship" retards yet?I'm punching the first pants wetting container ship wackjob in the nuts.?
scubamage: Great Janitor: I say we just drop one nuclear bomb and end this one real fast.That would be a very bad move. The fallout would land almost entirely on China, and South Korean. That would be bad, mmkay. We'd be much better having a bunch of drone jockeys level the place.
make me some tea: GAT_00: This shiatty headline is what they went with?As opposed to the other, shiattier headlines?
SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.
seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?If not, why not let the bastards starve until they run over the 38th Parallel or cross into China, in which case we/China/South Korea could just bomb the whole thing back to the stone age?
namegoeshere: MaudlinMutantMollusk: F*ck Un/cut off the foodThe people will starve and Un will eat the poor kids.
davidphogan: Good thing we got Gangnm Style before the nukes.
WeenerGord: The_Original_Roxtar: muzzle is pointed roughly straight up (i.e. a "safe position")Look at the photo again. The muzzle is clearly tucked into the hollow between the NKs collarbone and neck. NOT straight up, and NOT clearly over their shoulder, where they would only have to worry about killing the guy behind them. Would you rest the muzzle of your rifle in the hollow of your collarbone and neck if you knew it was loaded and the safety off?The_Original_Roxtar: putting the muzzle down on the ground risks fouling the barrel, making the gun unsafe to fire.Obviously, the only other position possible is to tuck it into your neck. There is no other position you can hold a gun in, other than jammed into the dirt, or into your neck.The_Original_Roxtar: you really are clueless about firearms aren't you?Yes, yes you are.
Syphilis_Smile: J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Did you last study strategy in 1875?You probably believe the invasion of Iraq was revenge for 9/11./just like you're supposed toIt wasn't? Last I checked, a bunch of pissed off Saudis attacked us because we based troops in their country. Rather than piss our allies off further, we just moved our troops north a little bit out of the holy land and took out a country that had threatened the allies of our allies repeatedly in the past. Win win situation for everyone, except, of course, Bin Laden.
kimwim: blipponaut: You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.This is how we know you have no idea what you're talking about.Someone gets caught with anything from outside~ they, and everyone in their family/apartment building goes straight to the camp. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. They turn in family members and friends over a bowl of soup. Over a rumor. Information is powerful. And it is used for a loaf of bread.
dr_blasto: vygramul: dr_blasto: once the people of NK turn stabby on their leadership.Looking back on history, starving people have not been terribly energetic in becoming stabby.Food riots aren't uncommon, many happened during the so-called Arab Spring.
Jon iz teh kewl: maybe it's cause all of the pot they smokeit's legal there, you know
MaliFinn: John Stamos: So... every thread on Fark is kind of a pony thread now, huh?Lame.[i208.photobucket.com image 306x350]
Slartibartfaster: Millennium: Kim Jong-Un seems to think he's in an Internet flamewar, not a place where words are real. He needs to be disabused of this notion, and quicklyGive him ropeHe will hang himselfChina has this covered.// agree that this guy needs to get a major slap down but let China do it.
ceremony_1968: So, where is that text-based animation about Seoul getting blowed up again?
Coastalgrl: From one who is too young to remember, what is the context behind the image? Is that the view looking towards SK?
LincolnLogolas: NewportBarGuy: $20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.Nah, any wealth in Best Korea goes to three places: to the Kim Jong family, to monuments dedicated to the Kim Jong family, and to the military. some of their hardware may be old, but it's well maintained. Besides, they've got enough long range artillery pointed at Seoul that they could level it in a day.
make me some tea: Uchiha_Cycliste: make me some tea: Ow! That was my feelings!: Stratfor dissects Best Korea's crazy and successful plan. LinkVery interesting. That's actually quite sensible from their POV.it was. thanks for drawing my attention to it.Stratfor is good stuff. I need to remember to read their writeups whenever international bullshiat is going down.
Omahawg: Gosling: Myria: Let's just give the country to China. They won't let Worst Korea unite with it, so let China have it, and it can be the DMZ between China and Western allies. For all China's problems, wouldn't someone rather be a poor Chinese citizen than a poor Best Korean citizen?China doesn't want them. That's how they've been propped up these past years. China kept them just solvent enough to keep NK refugees from flooding into China. But China appears to have had just about enough of the Kims and things may be coming to a head as a result. In the Kim Il-Sung days, they had both the Soviet Union and China to fall back on. The Soviets pulled out when the Soviet Union died, which was a huge blow, and China's been supporting them by themselves ever since.hey, it ain't easy being the single parent of an entitled little fat putz
Myria: Let's just give the country to China. They won't let Worst Korea unite with it, so let China have it, and it can be the DMZ between China and Western allies. For all China's problems, wouldn't someone rather be a poor Chinese citizen than a poor Best Korean citizen?
Xyphoid: All that said, keep on waving those flags and acting like it won't be a big deal, or that they are just super inept. Someone would have to be out there in the shiat, though, and I don't think many people, if any, are willing to volunteer.
Yogimus: neongoats: doglover: Radioactive Ass: Probably the most racist place that I've lived inOhio or PA?Either? They are both filled with failed rust belt dreams, inbreeding and people who think their state shoulda been confederate.Said without a hint of irony.
Counter_Intelligent: And now it's a Pony thread...
Joe boater: Apparently this went to his head.[l3.yimg.com image 310x412]
johnny_vegas: you know south jersey surprised me in that regard
NobleHam: You're right, if you believe the threat is serious whether NK is serious or not. That is, even if they actually want to go to war, which I agree is really unlikely, whether they are an actual threat. I don't believe they are. Japan's not seriously threatened. NK has the theoretical capability to deliver a nuke on an ICBM, but they don't have the ICBM or the practical experience to do that, and their short-range rockets have never hit within 100 miles of their target. Their range is limited to where a plane could drop one, which is nowhere outside their borders. Their greatest threat is the supposed ability to shell Seoul, so there would be uncertainty in the South Korean markets, but Japan and HK have nothing to lose.
Radioactive Ass: doglover: Y'inz can go suck a dick n'at. Least we ain't Ohya.Yeah... That one. Probably the most racist place that I've lived in. And I lived in the South Carolina low country for a year.
doglover: Y'inz can go suck a dick n'at. Least we ain't Ohya.
ItchyMcDoogle: Well the way I see it, the top people in NK see a western invasion as the only way to save them. China seems to be content keeping them the same way as they are. So they bark and bark and bark.
Gleeman: [i.imgur.com image 300x300]Am I going to have to come back up there? Because it looks like I might./and no Zerg rush from China this time around
Radioactive Ass: Pennsyltucky
SuperNinjaToad: Radioactive Ass: \My opinion may be biased because I actually can differentiate the visual differences between a person of Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Pacific Islander descent so there is that.....that's because you are not an 'ignorant uneducated racist' therefore to use yourself as a anecdote to my argument is inaccurate at best.
neongoats: Love you SK, love your BBQ, love your gadgets and I even like your cars, but fark fermented cabbage, wtf.
SuperNinjaToad: but you forget that the person who would commit these crimes are probably ignorant uneducated racist and in his mind ALL Asians = Lil Lim... and there are millions of folks like him.
ontariolightning: Couldnt the US just hit NKs military positions with an EMP?
mootmah: The difference is that anyone who has a remote chance of being from Best Korea obviously had to go through hell to get here. If there's a war, there will be propaganda campaign showing what BK is like on the inside. Even Fox News would run some stories about the inside of BK. That should keep the average American bigot in check.
J. Frank Parnell: hardinparamedic: You fail toxicologyQuite the opposite. But if you want to escape Darwin's grasp, you'll have to do it yourself. I can't in good conscience interfere with natural processes by trying to convince you. I've already done too much.But, back on topic. My predictions for the seemingly inevitable confrontation, is that NK will either strike SK first hoping to provoke the US into attacking them, or the US will be struck first, and after the US is sent into chaos SK will be easily overwhelmed. China could suddenly become involved in either of these scenarios./hope i'm wrong, and he's really just posturing
Twilight Farkle: NobleHam:You think a war with North Korea would be bad for the Nikkei or HK markets? It might hurt South Korea if Seoul gets shelled, but NK falling will be great for the economies of East Asia. Lots of lucrative rebuilding contracts and investment opportunities in a pretty much fresh and untapped market.You're thinking like an investor, not a trader. WW2 was great for the US economy because we didn't get bombed and the rest of the industrialized world reduced itself to rubble. 9/11 was a buying opportunity. The last downswing of the 2001 tech bubble was a few days into the 2003 Iraq invasion. The US armed forces went to war, American went to the mall, and stocks doubled between then and 2008.Now think for a moment like a trader: the minute-to-minute moves of the market aren't determined investors, they're about traders for whom "long term" means a holding period measured in days, not years. (Which is why I included South Korea's KOSPI index. Japan's a possible target, Seoul is definitely a target, and Seoul is trading flat.)Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that Un's decided he's serious about going full Un. (I do not believe this is the case.) But if he has, nobody but Un and his generals knows who'll get hit. Is the right move to short motherboard manufacturers? DRAM plants? Maybe Un will lob one at Japan for the lulz. Maybe he ignores Seoul and tries the, umm, long bomb and takes out some random patch of the US west coast.If you're certain Un's going to go full Un, you play both sides of the coin by selling now, let 'em blow up the region, and then buy when the dust is settling. If anyone with money was taking his threat seriously, they'd be hedging their bets, or at least raising cash with the intent of buying the dip while the rubble is still smoking. They aren't. Either most the world's billionaires are wrong (always a possibility!), but the high probability outcome is that those with access to resources far greater than you or I have decided ...
Radioactive Ass: SuperNinjaToad: Assuming SHTF I wonder if Korean Americans will face intense backlash and discrimination stateside. Knowing American history I would wager the average 'non asian' American will probably face extreme prejudice and be victims of violent backlash from the rest of the population.The average joe is probably not going to care or differentiate someone wheater from SK, China, Taiwan, Japan Vietnam etc. I forsee a lot of Asian Americans getting beat up, murder even, asian churches set on fire and large portions of the asian looking people in America discriminated against when or if this thing really goes down.I doubt it. Asian cultures are pretty well embedded into the American psyche and most people know that North Korea is an anomaly to that.The thing with the Muslims was that they have certain customs and those customs are often highly visible in dress and if you don't know the difference to a very casual viewer the difference might not be obvious (see the reports of Sikhs being misidentified as Arabs right after 9/11 for a good example). Asians as a large group don't have that problem unless they are Buddhist Monks in full regalia.
SuperNinjaToad: Assuming SHTF I wonder if Korean Americans will face intense backlash and discrimination stateside. Knowing American history I would wager the average 'non asian' American will probably face extreme prejudice and be victims of violent backlash from the rest of the population.The average joe is probably not going to care or differentiate someone wheater from SK, China, Taiwan, Japan Vietnam etc. I forsee a lot of Asian Americans getting beat up, murder even, asian churches set on fire and large portions of the asian looking people in America discriminated against when or if this thing really goes down.
NobleHam: You think a war with North Korea would be bad for the Nikkei or HK markets? It might hurt South Korea if Seoul gets shelled, but NK falling will be great for the economies of East Asia. Lots of lucrative rebuilding contracts and investment opportunities in a pretty much fresh and untapped market.
ontariolightning: Kim Jong Un has AFI - Prelude 12/21 playing in his head all day. Its the baddest villain song ever made.Just ask Lex Luthorhttp://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aUleoZCeL4Q
Der Poopflinger: turns out I will get to see a nuke hit a populated area in my lifetime
Coastalgrl: denbroc: [home.earthlink.net image 850x604]/Those who do not remember the past...//Of course NK probably doesn't have as many vehiclesFrom one who is too young to remember, what is the context behind the image? Is that the view looking towards SK?Also, whats with the ponies? What are they from?
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: davidphogan: Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measuresI wonder how much of this is a response to outside efforts (real or imagined) to destabilize the government in a transitional period.That or he's dumber and crazier than his Dad ever was.Couple of other possibilities:- Un is just a puppet at this point for other senior military hardliners who are actually making these decisions.- Un is doing the one making these decisions, but he's doing it to gain the trust and loyalty of those senior military hardliners, who may mistrust the kid with the Swiss education and love for certain aspects of Western culture (like Dennis Rodman and the Chicago Bulls).
TV's Vinnie: "No good little American punks! They think they're so cool and smart. I'LL SHOW THEM! I'm gonna call them up and tell them that they suck and I'm so hot that I get all the girls and that they'd better treat me with some RES-PECT and give me whatever I want or I'm gonna use these things that Daddy left for me. Yeah! They won't be laughing at me anymore if I do that!"
Radioactive Ass: /realist
The Dog Ate My Homework: So this time around, it's going to be UN vs Un. This is going to be confusing.
cptjeff: Seoul is not a small target- and they don't need perfect reliability if they launch 5. They do have decently functional short range missiles. Medium and long range? Not so much. But Seoul is about 35 kilometers from the North- they can do that.
MaudlinMutantMollusk: DrPainMD: Their problem equals their problem. Close our bases in SK and wish them the best of ruck.But... but... DOMINOES!/yeah...why are we still playing this '50s sh*t?//gotta have reasons for that bloated defense budget, I guess
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tellingthem: Can the North even sustain an actual campaign? There is a huge difference between having a military and having a capable military....I'm curious about how many of those million soldiers would invade the South so they could throw down their guns and get a little fish to go with their rice/I wonder how much true, willing-to-die-for support the regime really has?
The_Original_Roxtar: oh please, PLEASE give us an excuse to push the button. all of the atom bomb footage I've seen has been grainy old stuff converted from film. I want to see IMAX quality 3d HD stuff./not really... but C'mon best korea... your brothers to the south have been at the forefront of technology for years now, and you're stuck in the early 70s.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: cptjeff: The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.Nogrhi: If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.No, they can't.1. They have maybe/possibly/probably detonated a nuclear device or two. Maybe. That does not equate to a series of launchable, deliverable, weapons.2. They have yet to demonstrate any accurate targeting beyond 'go up, come down, hit the ocean'.2.1 Putting something in orbit, once, is 1/3 the difficulty of putting a ballistic missile up, and bringing it down with some vague semblance of accuracy.
hardinparamedic: You fail toxicology
Fuggin Bizzy: Olympic Trolling Judge: No. No more half-assed responses. We need to go full Honey Boo Boo on him, and the international community be damned!We don't have a heavy bomber or missile platform capable of putting Honey Boo Boo on the peninsula. Our generals tried and tried to warn us about the Honey Boo Boo gap, but we only ridiculed them. "They're crazy," we said.But in the end...who was really crazy? Huh?
J. Frank Parnell: I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action./crazy like a fox!
bluorangefyre: look at it like this: don't take North Korea's threat to lob a nuke at the USA lightly. They did get a satellite into orbit. As I said in the other thread, all they need to do is lob one in a sub-orbital trajectory and all parts of the United States could be farked. It doesn't even need to have a nuclear warhead or be targeted at a specific target; just a conventional weapon or even a rocket that rains debris down would be enough to harm or kill people and get everybody here scared that death could rain down upon them at any time.And should they detonate a nuke, hopefully we don't give into the temptation of firing off a few ICBMs or SLBMs. A few conventional weapons on Pyongyang would do the trick.
davidphogan: Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measuresI wonder how much of this is a response to outside efforts (real or imagined) to destabilize the government in a transitional period.That or he's dumber and crazier than his Dad ever was.
desertfool: Un went full retard.Never go full retard.
leevis: The food shortage must be pretty bad this time.
SuperNinjaToad: guudamn man! not everyone in this world are like that.. stop being such a paranoid Tea Partier who thinks everyone is out to getcha!!
blipponaut: You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.
Lost Thought 00: Did you last study strategy in 1875?
J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smokingOften large numbers of troops are sent to their deaths just to bluff the enemy. Military strategy is cold, and every move is calculated with zero emotion. No place for revenge. Keep watching movies.
Aigoo: cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's" palace?Maybe like a glass parking lot?Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.I wouldn't bet on that./dad was missile electronics, I was an oxymoron my last 3 years active
WTF Indeed: To be fair, this does mean the South can kill North Korean leadership whenever they want since they are legally back to open war.
J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve usJust because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.
JPINFV: [trageser.com image 160x258]I always thought this would make a good movie.
hardinparamedic: uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWIIYeah. But that was during the time of Pax Communista. Mao isn't in charge any more, and they're more hungry for the US Dollar than the capitalist pigs they despite are.The simple fact of the matter is that loss of international trade from the Allied nations involved in the Korean armistace would be devistating to the Chinese Economy. In addition, the flood of Northern refugees into China, already dealing with crippling poverty in much of it's rural population, would cause immense damage economically and politically.
doyner: Sure, a bunch of Worst Koreans would die, along with a bunch of Americans, but Best Korea must know that they would be obliterated in no time if they pulled that shiat. In the process, China would be flooded with refugees it doesn't want.If they have an ounce of rationality, this is merely bluster. If not, it will be an ugly war ending with the obliteration of Best Korea in relatively short order.Make no mistake about the South Koreans. They can be brutal too. See: Vietnam.
Gawdzila: Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.Visiting Hiroshima doesn't give you any more expertise on the issue than anyone else, and it isn't stupid; you're being hyperbolic.Is it possible? Yeah, but I don't think it is likely, in part because of Hiroshima. Everyone knows how horrendous those things are, and we've developed a bunch of alternatives for exactly that reason. They don't only hurt the people you drop them on. They're the most ham-fisted military instrument in the arsenal and they come with a huge number of social and diplomatic repercussions. They exist now almost solely as deterrents via MAD. If someone is ACTUALLY stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, nukes have already failed at their primary purpose and unless the country launching them actually has enough nuclear capability to significantly damage our ability to retaliate (and NK certainly doesn't), I really don't think we're going to push the button. We will retaliate quickly, however, and with overwhelming force.
Zeno-25: South Korea has quite the capable military.
uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII
Bontesla: I'm growing bored of this little crazy baby man. When can we replace him?