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(Newsnet5)   Cleveland is paying families to move back into town. 'We're Not Detroit' just wasn't working   ( newsnet5.com) divider line
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2013-03-07 12:49:20 AM  
But it's still Cleveland even with the tax abatement.
2013-03-07 12:50:54 AM  
I've been to Indianapolis, Columbus, Chicago, Boston, NYC, Miami, London, Paris and Philly (To name the "Big cities" people always rave about). I've lived in Indy and Philly.

And you know what?

I'd still rather live here in Cleveland. At least here I can drive a car down the street in less than six hours, I can get a pretty damn fine meal for under fifteen bucks, There are plenty of jobs for my industry ( IT for those of you who need to ask) and It's pretty easy to find reasonable, cheap places to rent. Oh, and Ohio is full of gamers and nerds, so I can pretty easily go out and find people to board game / Miniatures game with.  I have access to tons of fresh, locally grown produce and meats, one of the best fresh markets in the country (West Side Market FTW), THE best chocolate in the country, bar none (Malleys rules) Oh, and I never have to be afraid of massive tornadoes, hurricanes,  epic levels of flooding or snow, or any of the other ridiculous natural disasters all the coastal dwellers will be experiencing as climate change takes effect.

Why the hell would I want to LIVE in those expensive places, where the only thing you can seem to do is go into massive amounts of debt while living in a closet for the pleasure of being close to the shiny bright lights? When I can buy a good home here in a good neighborhood for under 100k, Live damn good on under 50k a year, and Pretty easily find a good place to send my kids to school?

People like to shiat on my city, because it makes them feel better about whatever place they live in. Some people who live here shiat on it because they've been convinced by everyone else how much greener the grass is on the other side of the fence.  It aint perfect here. It aint perfect anywhere.  But Im plenty comfortable with where I live and I'd like to keep on living here.

So you folks can keep on throwing poo like monkeys. I'll keep laughing at you paying 1500 bucks a month in rent so you can live within a 45 minute drive of your own big city.
2013-03-07 01:07:32 AM  

megarian: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*


Oh hai guyz, what's going on in this thread... oh lawd

I nominate YOU for the new Emergency Manager position!!!

It would be hard not to do well in that position. Don't embezzle and don't spend money you don't have. Also, be hated by every city religious leader stumping politician for being the white devil. They must have a whole cadre of qualified candidates beating the door down.
2013-03-07 01:13:03 AM  

Glenechocreek: I grew up in Akron, a dull, run-of-the-mill town if there ever was one. Cleveland made it seem like Paris by comparison.

Speaking  of dull, you should visit Calgary.  Their idea of group sex is using both hands.

2013-03-07 01:28:00 AM  

SuperT: come to cincinnati. we're revitalizing our urban core, we've got jobs a plenty, and, 2015 all-star game. plus, hella cool neighborhoods.

Which is also the only option for staying local if you're from Dayton, not a former or current University of Dayton student, and not able to get the few defense-related jobs (that are the closest thing to secure employment in Dayton since pre-AT&T NCR or General Motors).   It's not as if your city lost major parts of both low end and high end at the same time while sending what's left offshore.

Not sure that I'd want to work in Cinci unless it was from a full-time, direct-hire job (and no, staffing agencies don't count) and for a longer term than 2-5 years.
2013-03-07 02:13:19 AM  

johncb76006: But it's still Cleveland even with the tax abatement.

But it is Ohio, the only ALEC targeted state that has managed to have the constituents take back the state.   So far, despite the claims of ALEC-controlled states like Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, and elsewhere, the state isn't doing too badly.  Unfortunately that inspired Michigan to prewrite and ramrod a bill that their constituents could not repudiate.

At least the state gets the idea of limited government right by rejecting extremism from either aisle.  Worked in 1958 and still works well today.
2013-03-07 02:23:02 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Chattanooga is doing the same thing for software engineers to buy homes in specific neighborhoods.  Of course, the tax breaks don't make up for what you could make working in a more tech-centric city, and more broadly what you give up by tying yourself to a mortgage in a city with a dearth of those type of jobs.

I hear the outdoorsy perks of the city are nice though.

For once they're doing something right by actually trying to get workers to move as well as businesses - since many places think that the worker should shoulder the burden while the business doesn't.

Now if they'd expand it to more professions (such as non-guest worker, direct-hire IT), the only thing would be to have it happen in more places.
2013-03-07 04:18:55 AM  

lack of warmth: Not sure how tax abatements will matter, if there is no job to pay for the other expenses.  Sure tax breaks are nice, however not having the jobs to support their families, many won't be able to return to Detroit.  Now if many moving to Cleveland are the same people building the new residential properties, then that seems like a little short term planning.  After awhile those jobs will cease.  Now if Cleveland has some new industry planting itself there, then good for them.

This really isn't about encouraging people to move to Cleveland for fun or on a whim, it's more about moving to the City of Cleveland instead of moving to the suburbs when they do find a job here.

One of the problems plaguing the "Rust Belt" cities really isn't that all of the jobs are gone, it's just that the people with money and jobs have moved to the suburbs, and have taken their property, sales, and income tax revenue with them.  Detroit is the perfect example of this, although you also see it in plenty of other places, Cleveland included.  Those now suburban commuters still use City resources by driving on the roads and generally going to the city for work and entertainment, but at the end of the day their tax dollars primarily go elsewhere.  They go to Auburn Hills instead of Detroit and Schaumburg instead of Chicago, for example.

By encouraging people to move back into the City of Cleveland with the property tax abatement, they're not really losing anything since those people would be suburbanites leeching off of city resources if they had to pay the full rates, and they get the indirect benefits of higher property values from filled in blighted areas and the new businesses (read: new revenue!) that will be sprouting up to support the influx of people.

A good strategy, really.  I actually wish my Milwaukee would try something similar.
2013-03-07 04:22:44 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: I'd still rather live here in Cleveland.

Replace West Side Market with this:

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And chocolate with cheese, and you pretty much sum up how I feel about Milwaukee.

/medium-sized Midwestern cities unite?
2013-03-07 04:25:42 AM  
Well, they DO have a larger coal pile.
Seriously, Cleveland, is that the first thing you want visitors to see from the interstate?
2013-03-07 04:54:21 AM  

megarian: UsikFark: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*


You gotta admit the awesomeness of Detroit's suburbs, though.
2013-03-07 05:13:21 AM  
Damn you for getting that stuck in my head, subby.
2013-03-07 05:36:08 AM  

Glenechocreek: I grew up in Akron, a dull, run-of-the-mill town if there ever was one. Cleveland made it seem like Paris by comparison.

At least Georgia's Economic Theft Board didnt take  your hometown's automated teller machine company.   Then again, that company(Diebold) is also responsible for some questionable voting machine hardware.
2013-03-07 07:32:40 AM  

2013-03-07 07:34:34 AM  

CavalierEternal: The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.

Yeah, what he said! ^

2013-03-07 07:50:10 AM  
People migrate to areas with lower taxation. Just wish more liberals would understand this.

VT the highest per capita tax rate of any state. We lost population last year. Losing school enrollment every year for over a decade. Their solution? Increase property and gasoline taxes again to cover for it.

Brilliant. This is how liberals actually think. They think raising taxes has no effect but to make the government rich, so they can make the population rich. Dumb.
2013-03-07 08:41:07 AM  
Lived in Cleveland the first 30 years of my life. Whatever they're paying isn't worth it.
2013-03-07 08:58:53 AM  
What is Cleveland's economy based on now that Lebron James is gone?
2013-03-07 09:27:15 AM  

Dissociater: What is Cleveland's economy based on now that Lebron James is gone?

Anger and sadness.
2013-03-07 09:53:57 AM  
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Cleave ... land?
2013-03-07 04:46:03 PM  
My employer tried to get me to move to Cleveland, set me up on tours of the city, introduced me to lots of residents, all that. I swear, the city motto must be "It's not as bad as you've heard."
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