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(Yahoo)   Oliwia Dabrowska, the 'red coat girl' from Schindler's List, broke a promise to Steven Spielberg and watched the movie at age eleven. Guess how she felt about it   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2013-03-05 01:01:56 AM  

Repsej: Nope, I won't watch it. I get what happened. I can't watch it. I have read enough about it that I will do anything in my power to make sure it doesn't happen again...and then it does in some far flung part of the world. Every good life snuffed out by assholes makes me sad, heart sick and angry. the worst part is that there are excuses made for countries the USA is friends with. Seperate the religion from the person and think of innocent little kids being killed...does it matter what their parents believe? Does it really? Every innocent life lost is a major crime against humanity. You can throw out a big number to link a particular death with a belief, but it doesn't change the fact that each person is one person who died, who never should have.

Good. You seem to have still gotten the lesson: he who saves one life saves the world entire.
2013-03-05 01:03:26 AM  

BizarreMan: One of the stops that week was the Holocaust Museum. A mind numbing place that was important to go, but we'll never do it again.

When I was in the Navy I had an opportunity to tour Nagasaki and visit the bombing museum around 20 years ago.

Still remember the human outlines flash burned onto sections of brick wall, and a huge case full of thousands of watches and clocks all stopped at the time of the blast, and all the photos of radiation burns on victims.

Creepy stuff.
2013-03-05 02:02:04 AM  

Delawheredad: <a target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="karmaceutical

  You can't be serious! While Schindler's list is a historically flawed film the events it portrays really happened.
Life Is Beautiful is fiction through and through and can't compare to real events.

And it was ridiculous nonsense, too, but tell people that you hated Life Is Beautiful and they get all indignant.
2013-03-05 02:09:18 AM  

saturn badger: [www.uncp.edu image 600x492]

Judgement at Nerumberg. My parents took us to see it at 11. Not sure what they were thinking.

That you'd be home by 2:30, 3 at the latest.
2013-03-05 03:17:34 AM  
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2013-03-05 03:56:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: She thought that her role was dumbing down the movie by making the horrors of the Holocaust even more blatant?

If you think that was the point of coloring the girl's jacket, then I'm afraid you've missed the point entirely and haven't considered this issue very deeply.  It is easy to follow the vocal minority's gut reaction of "dumbed down"!  It is much harder to analyze these scenes carefully and acknowledge their important role in the film.  The fact is, it would be a lesser film without the coloring of the little girl's jacket.

Consider this interesting technical problem:  in a black and white film, how do you make it clear that Schindler later (much later) sees the little girl's exhumed corpse in a wagon, heading towards a human bonfire?  This is a key moment in the film (as is the first moment that he spots her in the ghetto), and Schindler's viewing of the girl is the primary catalyst for all that follows.  Coloring the girls' jacket was a clever way to solve this problem, as well as introduce an important symbol into the film.  Think about what she represents to the character of Oskar Schindler.  Up to the point of the ghetto evacuation, he has managed to overlook the building horrors around him, rationalizing what is happening as acts of war (and feeling comforted by his own protected status).  Viewing the carnage of the ghetto evacuation from up above, his fixation on the little girl forces him to fully confront the horror before him for the first time.  She is the symbol that catalyzes him to action that will put himself in harm's way.  It is much easier to empathize with individuals who we can relate to, than with groups who are more difficult to relate to, and this is why she's used as a symbol in this way.

It's a great artistic choice that makes the film even more dramatic and Schindler's motivations even clearer.
2013-03-05 04:13:24 AM  

contrapunctus: Fano:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler another great hero

Thanks for the link.  Amazing story.  I've read a bit about the Polish Resistance in the past (the Warsaw uprising stuff is mindblowing).  Somehow, I hadn't read about Sendler yet.

The thing that most people don't realize is that there were actually TWO Warsaw uprisings.  The first in 943 was the uprising of the Warsaw GhettoThe 1944 uprising was the bigger of the two and the one most people think of.

For those of you who clicked on the Irena Sendler Wiki link, click the link to the Zegota article (Sendler was the head of its children's section)- "The Council to Aid Jews operated under the auspices of the Polish Government in Exile through the Government Delegation for Poland, in Warsaw. Żegota's express purpose was to aid the country's Jews and find places of safety for them in occupied Poland. Poland was the only country in occupied Europe where there existed such a dedicated secret organization"
2013-03-05 04:59:14 AM  

Delawheredad: Schindler, was as much an opportunist as a hero. He was not a nice guy according to just about everyone who met him or knew him. He was playing both ends off of each other, He also had the foresight to realize that Germany was going to lose the war so he positioned himself for the best possible outcome for himself. In other words he was a gifted politician, no more.  Yes his actions in saving those he did were heroic but Schindler himself was mostly a scumbag. Even a criminal can save a drowning child. His act is heroic it does not alter the fact that he is a criminal.

In a world where people are black and white, either bad or good, this would be an astonishing insight.  Fortunately (because it would be incredibly boring), that world doesn't exist, and everyone (not most people - everyone) is composed of shades of grey.  So the question is not whether someone is "bad" or "good", the question is where they tip on the scale when everything is weighed out.  Whatever else Oskar Schindler did in his life, the fact remains that he risked his own life to save over 1,000 people from nearly certain death.  Personally I think that earns a lot of mulligans, even if his ex-wife might disagree.  I've read that Adolf Hitler was very nice to his dogs and loved animals in general, but he destroyed millions of human lives and irreparably altered the course of history on Earth for the worse.  Clearly these are unforgivable acts of evil, even if his dogs would disagree.  Tip the scales and it's not hard to see that Schindler's story is one that deserves to be told (and Hitler's memory deserves to be reviled), even in tellings that take dramatic and romantic license.
2013-03-05 07:18:44 AM  

karmaceutical: Schindler's List is some fairly high grade schmaltz.  Spielberg likes to direct as though the audience is unable to come to their own emotional conclusions.  Or, maybe more to the point, the film is both visually and emotionally monotone.

Compare and contrast with:

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Is that a joke?

Because everything you said there is far more applicable to Life is Beautiful.
2013-03-05 10:30:23 AM  

Marisyana: meat0918: I've seen it.  I will never watch it again.

I only have two movies on my "Great Movies I Can Never Watch Again"--Schindler's List and Dear Zachary--but the latter packs much more punch because it's a documentary and was being filmed at the time everything was happening.  I don't even have kids and it was like being punched in the stomach repeatedly.

Seconded on Dear Zachary. I think I've only cried at maybe 5 or 6 movies in my life (somehow Schindler's List wasn't one of them) but I couldn't stop weeping during that.
2013-03-05 01:39:37 PM  

Rwa2play: germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.


It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.

If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.

Not Animal House, either...  Revenge of the Nerds was the film of my generation, to depict partying in college.
2013-03-05 02:26:48 PM  

T.rex: Rwa2play: germ78: T.rex: never saw it... nor have i ever seen Bachelor Party, Blues Brothers, or Jerry McGuire.


It's required viewing if you ever visit Chicago. I've probably seen it enough times to cover everybody in this thread. Classic musical-comedy movie too.

If you've never seen "Blues Brothers" or "Animal House"...you're not a human being in my book.

Not Animal House, either...  Revenge of the Nerds was the film of my generation, to depict partying in college.

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2013-03-06 08:01:04 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Rwa2play: Just had to read the synopsis of it and say "Yeah, won't watch this, ever." Not because it stinks....but because how heartbreaking it must seem to be.

Pretty much.

I mean... I wouldn't stop anyone from watching it, but I feel that fair warnings are due: it will totally and thoroughly crush your soul.

There's a reason they released it with the more up-tempo "My Neighbor Totoro"...
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