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(WBIR Knoxville)   Tennessee approves "guns in trunks" law after legislators felt that the current "guns in saddles and stagecoaches" law was outdated   ( wbir.com) divider line
    More: Followup, House Democratic Caucus, Bill Haslam, legislators, passage, House Republicans, Democratic Caucus Chairman of the United States House of Representatives, Tennessee House of Representatives  
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2013-03-02 10:08:50 AM  
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Thisbymaster: Wait before how did you transport guns? You have to walk them everywhere?

Its more a law designed to prevent people from declaring authority over what is inside your car on their property. Basically a protection of individual property rights to your vehicle. In essence it is saying "You are allowed to prevent vehicles from entering your property, but you cannot demand that those vehicles not contain firearms, provided that the vehicle is locked.

Personally I wish the law covered everything, basically extend it to say your vehicle is a little bubble of your home, if its legal to put in a vehicle no one should be able to say you can't do that even if it is their parking lot. Defining a line between the two property rights.

That still allows for protections from someone having a car full of propane (illegal beyond a certain amount) but also prevents busybody rich assholes from imposing their morality on you just because they own all the grocery stores in the area and decided to ban alcohol even in car trunks.
2013-03-02 09:40:59 AM  
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edmo: Cute name but other than that, what does it have to do with trunks?

If only there were an article you could have read to find out.
2013-03-02 02:59:38 PM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: The business owner could put up a sign,"No guns allowed on the property." I don't think it should be a criminal offense. Maybe trespassing if you refuse to leave after being asked.

That's how it normaly works. I can't speak for everyone, but in VA if the store has a sign or the person in charge actualy tells you 'no guns' you have to remove it or you can be charged with trespassing, as you (while having a gun) are somewhere they don't want you to be.

I've said 'fark it' to some of those signs before, such as going to toys r us to pick up a birthday present. I just made sure it was well concealed (and that there were no fleeing shoplifter's cars to mark for the police). Now I'll damn sure respect the post office and courthouse 'no guns' law.

In VA (and everywhere as far as I know) there is no law against bringing a gun into a bank. (as long as they don't have a sign of course).
When I banked with Wachovia, they had such a sign on their doors. When Wells Fargo bought them out, they actualy took the sign down. So I figured they were cool with it. (Especially since the stagecoach guy in their farking logo is holding a rifle!). I had been carrying concealed there for the past year or so. One day the gun was digging into my side while I was driving, and I tucked my shirt between the slide and my skin for padding. I forgot to cover it back up before I went inside, so it was visiable (in a waistband holster, not tucked in 'gansta style')

So I am filling out a deposit slip on that little counter when the bank manager slowly approaches me like I am an escaped tiger.
"Sir, are you law enforcement?"
"You are *not* allowed to have a gun in here."
Huh? Oh, sorry, didn't realise it was showing. *covers gun back up*
*hands cashier check and deposit slip*
"Sir you will need to take that outside"
Okay sure. But you know you guys don't have a sign on the door, right?
*now snotty* "Sir, we arn't required to have a sign on the door"
You're absolutely right. You don't have to have one. All you need to do is state your gun policy, and a person has to comply.
(She seems to calm down a little, yet seems taken aback that I am being polite and agreeable.)
"Sir you can finish you transaction once you take your gun to the car"
Okay, no problem. Can I swipe my ATM card so the teller can verify my account first?
"Uh, sure go ahead"
Now let me ask you this, how is a person supposed to know you don't allow guns if you don't have a sign?
"I, uh.."
When you guys bought Wachovia, you took the sign down. That tells me that you don't mind. Also I've been coming in here every month like this for the past year. And lastly, the only people that sign affects are the people who won't do anything with the guns anyway.
"Well, uh, I'll talk with corporate and see about getting some signs made up (this was six months ago, they still haven't)"
It would definitely make things more clear. Oh hey look, my transaction is done. I guess I'll be seeing you guys.
2013-03-02 11:54:11 AM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Actually, this protects private property rights, the private property of MY vehicle.

The business owner has a choice to not allow my private property on his, but if he allows it, he doesn't get any say over what it contains.  And that's a completely fair way of doing things.
2013-03-02 10:28:49 AM  
1 vote:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: badhatharry: This steps on private property rights. You have the right to prohibit guns on your own property. By a variety of regulations, business owners no longer own their own property.

Do I not have private property rights of of own in my vehicle?

Haha you're funny. You realize that in some places in America (usually places in nutty California) it's illegal to smoke in your own car or even your own home.
2013-03-02 09:50:22 AM  
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edmo: Cute name but other than that, what does it have to do with trunks?

Illinois has a guns in trunk law:  firearms unloaded and cased; store ammunition in a separate, closed container; transport in an inaccessible location within the vehicle.  That means the trunk if you have one.

We could say Illinois has concealed carry.

Not really. I could say bats fly out of my ass but that doesn't make it true.
2013-03-02 09:11:28 AM  
1 vote:
I'm waiting for the "guns in buns" law where everyone is allowed to walk around with a small (but effective) gun hidden between their butt cheeks.
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