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2013-02-22 09:56:19 AM  
FTFA "I don't feel like I've gotten an apology yet. I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech. He told us we would not be allowed to express ourselves and didn't even consider what we had said.  He didn't have a clue of the content of my paper before he told me... he just knew that my paper was about guns before he told me that I would be getting a zero on the assignment," Marshall Williams said.

If I were to judge this kid on that statement, I would think he may not get a much higher than that which he was originally rewarded.
 
2013-02-22 09:56:52 AM  
Denton is extremly Liberal it's a complete police state. A standing joke in North Texas is don't be caught in Denton after 8:00 or you will be arrested.

http://dpdjailview.cityofdenton.com/
 
2013-02-22 10:01:49 AM  
rezaxis:
A Fox News story? The whole thing must be nothing more than an elaborate fabrication.

clane:
golf clap...
 
gja
2013-02-22 10:02:57 AM  
EvilEgg:
....................
These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


Crap on that. Why should anyone EVER have to "avoid controversial topics".?
Free speech is free. Rock the boat, stir the pot, speak your mind!
Many died to give us that right. Exercise it at every possible chance.
 
2013-02-22 10:05:56 AM  
Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.
 
2013-02-22 10:07:22 AM  
Liberals should be required to attend mandatory firearms education.
 
2013-02-22 10:09:17 AM  

Son of Thunder: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

Sorry, but while that may fly in a fark thread, it doesn't hold water in an academic essay. An "in your opinion" question means that a range of possible valid interpretations exists, but it does not mean that that range is infinite.

So "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by his acceptance of southern society's belief in slavery as normative" is a valid set of alternate opinions. "Huck's actions here were motivated by fear of his father" versus "Huck's actions here were motivated by the chip that time-travelling marmosets implanted in his brain" is not.

(For the record, when I assign essays like that, I include some variant of "provide a well-reasons argument in support of your position" in the instructions)





While I understand your point, I would like to counter point that my answer was within the realm of possible motivations. No deux ex machina crap. How can you ask my interpretation of motives then tell me my interpretation is wrong? It's MY interpretation!
 
2013-02-22 10:15:23 AM  

Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"



clane:

You liberals need to step away from Jon Stewart and MSNBC for just a minute, stop gulping the Kool-Aid.

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2013-02-22 10:18:08 AM  

Thunderpipes: Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.


clane:
that's not news
 
2013-02-22 10:20:12 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: dittybopper: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Damn, that brings back memories..... I went to CSU Northridge back in 68-72. Even back then there were a jack-load of libbie professors. Even a few outright Marxists. You quickly learned to "toe the line," keep your thoughts to yourself, and spout the bullshiat right back at them. Great training for later in life and working in the corporate environment.

I bet they were never even aware of the irony.

Don't think so, either. but it gets even better. Were you aware that most of the very first socialist concepts and writings were intended for and applied in practice to private companies? Only later were they broadened to governments.

And think about it. Life in a big corporation is actually quite a bit more regimented than life under Stalin or Hitler. The punishments are not as extreme (fired -vs- getting shot) but the day-to-day minutia is more tightly regulated and inspected.


There is one really big difference:  You can quit your job if you don't like it.
 
2013-02-22 10:21:45 AM  

Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.


Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!
 
2013-02-22 10:23:10 AM  

dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!


Oh, c'mon.  That was a pretty good troll.  I'd give it a 5/10 just for being funny.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:10 AM  

alabasterblack: FTFA "I don't feel like I've gotten an apology yet. I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech. He told us we would not be allowed to express ourselves and didn't even consider what we had said.  He didn't have a clue of the content of my paper before he told me... he just knew that my paper was about guns before he told me that I would be getting a zero on the assignment," Marshall Williams said.

If I were to judge this kid on that statement, I would think he may not get a much higher than that which he was originally rewarded.


Don't make the mistake of judging a person's spontaneous spoken statement to a reporter with what they would write.

For example, I changed the above sentence a couple of times before I hit "Add Comment".  I generally use certain grammatically incorrect verbal affectations when I speak that I avoid in my written speech.
 
2013-02-22 10:26:18 AM  

dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!


Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.
 
2013-02-22 10:29:10 AM  

GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.


Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.
 
2013-02-22 10:34:50 AM  

dittybopper: GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.

Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.


At some point though its useful for cutting down the noise/signal ratio generated by consistent thread-shiatters.
 
2013-02-22 10:35:23 AM  

dittybopper: GanjSmokr: dittybopper: Citrate1007: Honestly the teacher could just be sick of ready the same farking "first time I shot a deer I jizzed in my pants" story from a bunch of virgins.

Wow,  Just, Wow.

Are you really that bigoted and idiotic, or are you just trolling?  'Cause, *DAMN*!

Sometimes I wonder if I'm missing anything by having a certain few posters on ignore and then someone quotes one of them and I wonder no more.

Yeah, see, I don't use 'ignore'.  Feels too much like sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  Your kilometerage may vary.


I didn't use ignore on anyone until recently - felt the same way about it as you, it just tries to make FARK a personal echo chamber.  Instead, I'd just favorite the idiots with my idiot color.

Sadly, the gun threads really brought out some huge morons and I just had to silence a few of the more glaring ones.
 
2013-02-22 10:36:37 AM  
A paper on attending a Gay Pride Parade or being an atheist wouldn't raise any eyebrows at DHS. Lots of gay kids attend this school and there's a Gay-Straight Alliance chapter on campus. The location of this school makes it interesting. Denton is a university town and this campus is right next to UNT. Therefore the kids come from families that range from ultra conservative to super liberal. They actually all get along pretty well. (My sassy, gay, agnostic son attends & has grown up with many of these same kids his whole life)

My guess is that the teacher had Sandy Hook and other recent gun related events and debates in his thoughts when he made this decision, not some nefarious plan to forcibly indoctrinate this one student by punishing him for his paper topic. The teacher apologized and accepted the paper, so it seems the matter should have ended there IMHO.

A number of years ago, my husband taught English in this district at a different campus, further away the universities. He would limit paper topics because otherwise his every waking moment was taken up with grading writings on football, guns, abortion and/or Jesus. Believe me, the pay and benefits for teachers in Texas are not worth putting up with that all year. ;)

/a liberal mom & teacher's wife who loves Denton and DHS
 
2013-02-22 10:38:17 AM  

5monkeys: He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Been there with a few liberal teachers. Some were OK, basing our literary discussions around liberal themed literature but allowing the other side to have an argument in the class. Others were complete "Fail the conservatives and pass the liberals" type.

Really hate politics in schools unless its an actual political class, then both sides need to be taught. Best professor I ever had was my microeconomics professor who taught the class exactly like that. Each point had a liberal view and a conservative view but neither were tested on (Example: How each side viewed taxes but were tested on how taxes work).
 
2013-02-22 10:45:37 AM  

5monkeys: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!


I love when English professors/teachers would ask for students' opinions and then tell them they were wrong, even if they said they were wrong because they lacked any supporting evidence to form an opinion. They never preface it by saying, give me your informed opinion on the matter(s) at hand.

CSB time

I was always in AP classes and graduated #12 out of my class of 1200 (would have been higher but since I was also active in Football it lowered my average GPA). My Senior year, the counselors made a mistake and placed me in a regular English class which was horrible. It took me about a couple of weeks to transfer out, and when I did the AP teacher was NOT happy of having to accept a new student 2 weeks into the semester and she made it known. On top of it, she had a chip on her shoulder because I was the Captain of the Football team and fairly popular. I have always excelled in creative writing, so I would often tutor or help my friends with their papers.

So, the time for our first paper comes and she gives me a 0 stating that she did not agree with my thesis statement, therefore she did not read the rest of the paper and wrote incomplete. I had a 4 page essay that was a required 2 page. Meanwhile, my friends' papers who I pretty much wrote, all received high marks. I confronted her about it and she flipped out and told me she wouldn't discuss it, so I went home and told my Dad about how unfair her treatment had been of me and tried to set up a conference so I could figure out how to NOT get a 0 taking the high road. Well, she did not like that one bit so the next day in class she said that "Anyone that goes to the mommy and daddy for help won't make it very far in life, isn't that right (my name)?" She did this in front of the WHOLE class for no apparent reason other than to try to establish she was in control and to further attempt to humiliate me. So, I did the only logical thing left at that point, I went on a 10 minute rant comparing her to a fat turkey, told her to fark off and left never to come back.

I ended up taking a for college credit distance learning course through a state university here and eventually took my AP exam. When you take your AP exams, you can list addresses and people to inform of your test scores, so for the hell of it I listed her address. The end of the school year rolled around and I received my scores, perfect 5. After graduation we had an awards ceremony for AP tests, She, being the AP English coordinator, had to award me with the certificate and in turn we had to give a brief acceptance speech. Since I had the microphone, I told my story in front of a full auditorium which included not only parents and students, but faculty and the school board and district superintendent. She "resigned" after that.
 
2013-02-22 10:51:31 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: 5monkeys: kendelrio: My favorite was questions on a test (in English while we were reading Huckleberry Finn) that asked "In your opinion, what was the motivation for character A to do such and such".

When I get the test back, that answer is marked wrong. When I questioned the "wrongness" of my answer, the teacher listed what was wrong about my answer according to how she interpreted the passage. My reply was "You asked what MY opinion was, not yours, if you wanted me to tell you what YOUR opinion was, you should have specified that".

While you may disagree with my opinion, it cannot be wrong as my opinion is based on my observations of the situation and how my mind perceives it. My opinion could be steeped in herp with a large chaser of derp, but that doesn't make it wrong, only different from your perception of the situation.

My English professor asked us for our opinion on a character's motivation. I stated vanity. She told me I was wrong because "at her age (professor not character) she has learned not to care what people think of her." What?!

I love when English professors/teachers would ask for students' opinions and then tell them they were wrong, even if they said they were wrong because they lacked any supporting evidence to form an opinion. They never preface it by saying, give me your informed opinion on the matter(s) at hand.

CSB time

I was always in AP classes and graduated #12 out of my class of 1200 (would have been higher but since I was also active in Football it lowered my average GPA). My Senior year, the counselors made a mistake and placed me in a regular English class which was horrible. It took me about a couple of weeks to transfer out, and when I did the AP teacher was NOT happy of having to accept a new student 2 weeks into the semester and she made it known. On top of it, she had a chip on her shoulder because I was the Captain of the Football team and fairly popular. I have always excelled in creative writing, so I would often tutor ...


all of that could have been avoided if you just slept with her.
 
gja
2013-02-22 10:52:47 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: She "resigned" after that.


And nothing of value was lost.
People need to keep their beliefs and agendas to themselves where they are in a position to affect the lives of others.
She was a lousy person, so it kind of forces her to be a lousy teacher by mere nature.
 
2013-02-22 11:01:12 AM  

gja: the money is in the banana stand: She "resigned" after that.

And nothing of value was lost.
People need to keep their beliefs and agendas to themselves where they are in a position to affect the lives of others.
She was a lousy person, so it kind of forces her to be a lousy teacher by mere nature.


Agreed. She sounds like an awful teacher, and not a very nice person at all. Also, I like the way you handled it tmiitbs.
 
2013-02-22 11:02:48 AM  

GanjSmokr: I didn't use ignore on anyone until recently - felt the same way about it as you, it just tries to make FARK a personal echo chamber.  Instead, I'd just favorite the idiots with my idiot color.

Sadly, the gun threads really brought out some huge morons and I just had to silence a few of the more glaring ones.


I've only ever favorited people who are ham radio operators, so I know who to tell about the next Fark QSO Party.  That, and one other farker who is an "old crow".
 
2013-02-22 11:05:04 AM  
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He should have bribed her with a fruit basket.

Teacher should have given him a C+ and told him he'd shoot his eye out.
 
2013-02-22 11:06:00 AM  
I had a funny story in which I was hanging out with a friend and his little sister came home (she was 10 at the time) and started talking to her father. She started mouthing off liberal political view points while trash talking the conservative view points. When both her father and I asked where she learned these ideas. She said her teacher was teaching them as fact. We both laughed and told her that they are not facts but opinions based on one persons ideas. She got a confused look on her face because, well, she was 10 and did not think a teacher would do that.

Do not know what happened after that but I knew she never really talked like that again. But it did make me upset that an elementary school teacher was teaching his / her political point of view as fact in a classroom filled with children.
 
2013-02-22 11:09:29 AM  
Well, it's nice to know that the definition of "anything" is changing. Censorship or not, gun violence or not, politics or no politics, the student complied with the parameters of the assignment, period, the teacher needs to give out a fair grade.

What a piece of crap. You don't want kids writing about guns? Fine, make that the conditions of the assignment BEFORE it is handed out.
 
2013-02-22 11:11:19 AM  
You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.
 
2013-02-22 11:21:18 AM  
Write about anything?

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2013-02-22 11:25:48 AM  

SquiggsIN: You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.


I think it would be very interesting if all of the incumbents were voted out and new representation was voted in that were running as Republicans and Democrats. The moment they take office, they turn around and say "Surprise! I am really an independent party member!!!" Then, you would ultimately have representation that is full of the "third party" members and allow the system to expand beyond the 2-party system.

What I also think would be highly entertaining is if on the ballots they did not list what party the candidates were a party of and straight-ticket voting was disabled. Force the populous to actually research the candidates. I would personally love a test where during voting time they have a huge sampling of people walk into the ballot booths. I would use criminal's names for the candidates and assign them a party. Then I would ask them all what party the voters were a part of to see just how many people voted based on nothing more than what party it said the candidate was a member of.
 
2013-02-22 11:36:29 AM  

KrispyKritter: [forgottenflix.com image 550x347]


Denton, Denton, rah rah rah! Denton, Denton, eat me raw! Yay Denton!
 
2013-02-22 12:03:30 PM  

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


"Choose any topic you want" is a recipe for unpleasantness, as this story shows.
 
2013-02-22 12:10:21 PM  
Being Texas its shocking the teacher hasn't been tarred, feathered and run out o town.
 
2013-02-22 12:16:15 PM  
Ten bucks say the teacher was trying to keep politics out of the classroom.
 
2013-02-22 12:29:34 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Two amendments enter, one amendment leaves! Welcome to Tardertown!


who run tardtown
 
2013-02-22 12:54:19 PM  
It took me to half way through my sophomore year in college to realize:

While teachers/professors claim they want students to exercise critical thinking to develop and express their opinions, teachers/professors really want their students to agree with them and regurgitate their derp, in classroom decisions, projects and exams.

When I realized that, my grades went from high C's and low B's to nearly straight A's.
 
2013-02-22 01:01:20 PM  

ChuDogg: Liberals should be required to attend mandatory firearms history education.

 
2013-02-22 01:17:27 PM  
"Me and my mom went to Cabella's to buy a gun."

He should have received a zero on the merits.
 
2013-02-22 01:23:18 PM  
The teacher should grade the paper.  But the arguments the mother is giving are all 100% backwards.  There is no protection of free speech in school assignments.  The protection offered by the First Amendment does not apply to school assignments.  Censorship does not apply to school assignments either.  The issue is that the student completely followed the instructed guidelines, and the teacher disagreed.  Upon realizing his own error in not being more specific about the assignment, he changed his mind and accepted the paper.  The kid could have written a paper about torturing babies, or about the joys of anal sex, and he still would have been fulfilling the requirements.  Seems like a simple misunderstanding (although with political basis), but with a simple solution.  Not sure how much more of an apology this mother requires to stay out of the newspaper.
 
2013-02-22 01:39:41 PM  

Thunderpipes: Liberals

Conservatives hate freedom of speech (and they'll misdirect in order to hide their true beliefs), news at 11:00.

FIFY.

"I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech."

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// Sounds like the father dropped out of school too soon.
// At least get your GED.
// And would it kill you to pick up a book once in a while?
 
2013-02-22 01:40:36 PM  
I have 4 children ages 21+ to 10.  Since the oldest was in elementary school, I have had the children come home at one time or another telling us (my wife and myself) things that their teachers put forth as facts that are largely opinions.  I've had my children become very distressed by this because they are told to believe what their teacher is teaching, and yet at home are being told their teacher isn't correct.  By far my favorite has been when my elementary school children come home during an election cycle and proceede to tell me how their teacher plans to vote and then spouts rhetoric for their chosen candidate.  Why does my 10 year old need to know what their teacher is voting?  And worse, why are they being spoon fed propaganda?
 
2013-02-22 01:44:23 PM  

SquiggsIN: You people sadden me.  Liberal and Conservative are not mutually exclusive terms and you all seem to have fallen into the trap that they are.  Also, that your duty as a member of either "side" is to oppose vehemently anything the other side suggests.

The 2 party system is a by-design stranglehold to ensure that people think there are only 2 choices.  We keep electing 99.9% R's and D's and expecting things to change.  Both parties love that most of the American public is too focused on where they disagree to focus on the real areas of concern : those items on which R's and D's agree.



Ron Paul 2008! 2012! 2016!

Oh, wait!
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2013-02-22 02:25:37 PM  

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


So start ditching Social Studies class right?
 
2013-02-22 02:41:19 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.


 Amusing isn't it, just how backwards people are.  (nope, that wasn't a question)

Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.
 
2013-02-22 02:42:10 PM  
I completely trust the disgruntled parent's version of the story as to why her precious snowflake failed the assignment
 
2013-02-22 02:43:52 PM  

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


Totally THIS!

Hell, I went to school in Louisiana and this was done in both High School AND college, mainly for Speech classes. There are just some topics too hot to touch, or most of the time, the teacher has heard it so many times the topic arguments become redundant (We were told this in my freshman speech class in college) because nothing new is presented.

/B.A in speech comm
 
2013-02-22 02:58:48 PM  

MythDragon: College professors have tiny penises. Not because they are nerds, but because they are liberals.


Wouldn't they be gun owners, then?
 
2013-02-22 03:00:14 PM  

Kahabut: Anyway, she also mentions that this whole thing is a first amendment issue... which it would be, if it were institutional policy, but because it isn't, that doesn't apply and this woman clearly failed civics class.


Teacher is a government employee.  Therefore, it is a First Amendment issue, because government employee was punishing student for speech that he didn't agree with.

Teacher subsequently backed down, because he knew he was wrong.

The right to free speech is more limited in a school setting, of course, but it's not completely gone.  This didn't fall into one of the exceptions to free speech.
 
2013-02-22 03:03:35 PM  
If you watch the full video on YouTube from the parent conference with the teacher, it's very obvious that this teacher gave the students zeroes solely because they mentioned guns. The teacher also admits that he did say they could write about anything--as in, no parameters. The teacher did have recent events on his mind, but since the students weren't talking about shooting up schools or people, but instead discussed going hunting and going to a gun show, this should have never been an issue.
While an apology was given, the teacher apologized for the misunderstanding only. That's not apologizing for your actions or for being wrong, but apologizing because you are being forced to by your bosses.

As a former Englisher teacher and a former teacher in Denton, it is embarrassing to see people like this English teacher still employed. They give other teachers bad reps. (And no, I wasn't fired--I moved out of state because Texas sucks.) I worry that this teacher is going to warp students into thinking that a) all teachers lie to push across an agenda b) all liberals are idiots like this teacher and c) education is a waste of time. Those aren't the sort of lessons a teacher should be teaching because then you end up with some of the Farkers here who think only in absolutes and stereotypes.

//is a liberal
//believes in the right to bear arms
//also believes in gun regulation, just like we regulate the operation of motor vehicles
 
2013-02-22 03:08:59 PM  
Ah, yes, here is the case I was thinking of:   Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District

Basically, students have a right to free speech that doesn't fall into one of the regular exceptions to the First Amendment (fighting words, etc.) and that isn't obscene and doesn't materially disrupt the school.

Student was right, teacher was wrong, and in the end, it worked out correctly.
 
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