snuff3r: The cameras are nothing more than a tool to catch you as you cross that line.Cameras exist, will always exist and will always pick people up for crossing that line.
snuff3r: Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.
Shadow Blasko: 30 seconds and a gas powered angle grinder, but (and get this) these units allegedly have vibration detectors which start video and audio recording (transmitted wirelessly), and send out a distress call if the levels are breached.
Snotnose: Got one of these a year ago, found a lawyer who charges $100 and if she can't get the ticket dismissed you get a full refund. She got it dismissed.Here in San Diego those tix are close to $500 ($483 if I remember correctly).
L.D. Ablo: Shadow Blasko: L.D. Ablo: There are better ways to challenge speed cameras:[www.thenewspaper.com image 190x145]Good luck getting to Elmwood's. They bought the best.[media2.wcpo.com image 320x240]Give me five minutes and a Sawzall.
Shadow Blasko: L.D. Ablo: There are better ways to challenge speed cameras:[www.thenewspaper.com image 190x145]Good luck getting to Elmwood's. They bought the best.[media2.wcpo.com image 320x240]
snuff3r: TFA: "The trial is weighted against you. If the police officer says it's calibrated properly, then that's enough preponderance of the evidence for the judge. He didn't show me any evidence it was calibrated correctly," says Williams."No, the countless certification and testing procedures are weighted against you. Governments spend a LOT of money ensuring a super low error rate for speed cameras and they're tested regularly for compliance. The judge knows this. Unless you have evidence otherwise you're not going to win your case. If you were serious about thinking you had a chance to beat the ticket on these grounds then you would have done your research and put in a GIPA/FOI request for test/compliance data on the camera in question.Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.
mikefinch: Its not binary. The camera has no discretion and the cop does. If you were breaking the law the camera gives you a ticket. 100% of the time. With a cop they get to decide if that ticket is really justified. I suppose it is binary, but one of those has two operations and that makes it allot more than "on/off". Just because you broke the law doesnt mean you deserve to be punished. Discretion discretion discretion.
mikefinch: Where i come from allot of people contest speeding tickets because if the cop doesn't show its automatically tossed out. You just have to show up. If the cop is there you just plead guilty and pay. Rescheduling would waste so many peoples time and money. The cop and the judge and court recorder together likely make more in half an hour than your ticket is even worth.
snuff3r: Shadow Blasko: No non-corrupt cop is going to pull you over for 27 in a 25 unless you're begging for it. The system was not designed for "yes you were speeding, no you were not" binary enforcement. Taking the humans out of the loop has made it crazy.But it is that binary. People seem to think it's not and that's where you start hearing bleating from the sidelines about "cameras are nothing more than revenue machines, screwing us all over", etc. Just as it's binary that a cop can exercise discretion - will book you, won't book you. 0 or 1.Legislation gives authority to bureaucrats to create a clear line in the sand. That line is in the form of a speed limit. Many systems exist that allow the bureaucrat to create this limit - road condition testing, fatality statistics, etc etc etc. Once that line is created the only choice that exists is whether you cross that line or not. There's no leeway outside of that. The cameras are nothing more than a tool to catch you as you cross that line.Cameras exist, will always exist and will always pick people up for crossing that line.That aside, I'm not arguing that cameras can be wrong or don't have problems. No system is perfect. The story you've linked is a prime example of where the system has been questioned and a question of error was backed up with evidence.Personally, i farking hate cameras. I can't see how 1-2 kph over the limit is worth the efforts of a ticket, but meh. As someone who spends 99% of road time on a sportsbike i often test the boundaries. And when get caught ill take it like a man.
jaylectricity: snuff3r: Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.Or let's get real about the speed limits. Go five mph below the limit so that when your car accidentally goes a little faster you are still under the limit.People assume that if the limit is 40 you should drive 40. That's just not true. The absolute limit is 40, you should drive at 35 and if you go down a hill and it creeps up to 39 you're still safe.
zedster: In Germany they need both the license plate and a picture of the driver to give an automated ticket. The computer automatically blurs out the passengers as a privacy matter. Some genius has a British Audi in Germany and thus the driver gets blurred out instead of the passenger. So the German police got a bunch of picture like the following:[cache.gizmodo.com image 410x231]
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snuff3r: Governments spend a LOT of money ensuring a super low error rate for speed cameras
Philbb: You're the first person, other than me, that I know of who has had their license suspended due to an error. Although I had it happen twice* on two different occasions for two completely different reasons. I went to court both times and, other than regular license fees, I had no trouble getting things taken care of. I'm sorry to hear that it took you so long and cost so much.
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