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(The Comics Chronicles)   Comic book sales at highest point they've been since the mid 90's. Time to break out the chrome foil gatefold covers and clone EVERYTHING   ( divider line
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2013-02-19 03:27:20 PM  
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urnotallrightspider: Used to be comic collector here,
Would someone mind telling me how the non-Ultimate Spiderman died and around when he died? Thanks.

First of all, he didn't die.

In issue #700 of Amazing Spider-Man, Otto Octavius' mind, in the body (and brain) of Peter Parker, defeated the dying Doctor Octopus with Peter Parker's mind. The swap was done several issues earlier. At the end of issue #700, Otto, piloting Peter's body, also gained Peter's memories and heroic morals. He became the new Spider-Man for real.

However, Peter is still present in Otto's subconscious, as evidenced in Superior Spider-Man.

So to break it down for you: Peter Parker didn't die. Peter Parker's body didn't die. Peter Parker's brain didn't die. Peter Parker's mind didn't even die.

The best guess: A copy of Parker's memories and personality were temporarily in the dying body of Doc Ock, and possibly even there until death. But Peter Parker is still Peter Parker. His consciousness is still in his own body-- He's just being controlled by Otto's dominant mind.

So Spider-Man didn't die. Doc Ock died, but found a way to put off the death of his consciousness by essentially possessing Parker. Ock thinks Parker's dead, but he's also finding that he's acting out of character a lot. This is when Parker's mind exerts control.

It's kind of messy, but the end result will be that eventually Parker will gain full control of his brain and body again, and Otto will somehow be forced out, killed off, or transplanted. At least, that's the current guess.

If you want to collect the HOW portion of the brain "swap", you'd need to get the preceding dozen issues or so. Ock did the whole thing remotely, from his deathbed, using octobots. Parker never knew it until it was too late.

So, I'd say pick up Amazing Spider-Man issues 690 - 700 if you want the whole story.

But rest assured. Spider-Man isn't dead. Peter Parker is still swinging around Manhattan as Spider-Man. It's just that he's sharing the body with Otto for a little while, and currently Otto is in control and doesn't know he has a roommate in there.
2013-02-19 10:31:37 AM  
1 vote:
Certainly not for lack of DC and Marvel trying to push things in the other direction.
2013-02-19 10:06:28 AM  
1 vote:
More like the content owners are saying, "KEEP MAKING THOSE MOVIES, BOYS! And you, the drawing geeks! Retcon your sh*t to be more like the movie! We got IP to sell here, people, move it out!"
2013-02-19 10:04:56 AM  
1 vote:
Things go to a high point before they collapse.
2013-02-19 09:14:56 AM  
1 vote:
Some one obviously didn't read the update at the bottom:

2/18 UPDATE: A number of sites today are leading with the whole-dollars comparison with the 1990s made a couple of paragraphs ago - which I deliberately didn't headline here, because, as I mentioned above, once you account for inflation, the similarity goes away. But for folks who would like to see the math:

The most frequently cited figure for sales in 1993, the market's all-time peak, is $850 million. That amounts to an inflation-adjusted $1.35 million, nearly double the size of the current market. This should not surprise us, given the fact there were 12 distributors and nearly four times as many comics shops as exist today. But even the $1.35 billion is an imperfect analog, though, because comics have increased in price since the mid-1990s faster than the CPI rate. The average comic book retailers ordered in January 1995 cost $2.20; now it's $3.58. That's 20 cents higher than what the CPI calculator says it should be. So 1993's comics-inflation-adjusted figure could be even higher!

The best way to take inflation completely out of the picture is to forget dollars and focus on units. We just don't tend to do that when trade paperbacks and hardcovers are in the mix, because their pricing varies so much. We know that in 2012 we're selling way fewer comics than in the early 1990s, and way more graphic novels (and, obviously, digital versions); the net being that we're still quite a lot behind the early 1990s in adjusted dollars.
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