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2013-02-19 05:27:04 PM  

mrjared: I don't know what the fark you guys are talking about. Explain how a high strike-out rate is good again? Avoiding the very rare GIDP? That's lunacy. Strike-outs are bad, for any hitter. It's the only way to get an out without really even having a risk of getting on base. Take Adam Dunn, for example. He struck out 222 times last season. Meanwhile, the leader in GIDP for the entire stretch of 2000-2009 was Miguel Tejada, who had 208 GIDP. Your argument is insane.

Not "good", just not nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. For a number of reasons. As pointed out above, strikeouts aren't worse than ball in play outs in a really appreciable way. But the bigger issue is that a higher-K player is likely to be a player who is looking at a lot more pitches, swinging at generally better pitches, getting more walks, etc. A lot of writers and bloggers complain about hitters with a high K-rate like Bourn, Russel Branyan, Adam Dunn, etc... but they are severely underrating those guys. K-rate is a single statistic that might tell you something about a hitter - but that information is limited and you need the context of the hitter to really understand what it means.

Part of that confusion comes from the use of k-rate to judge pitchers. There are lots of very smart baseball analysts who will tell you that walk-rate and k-rate are the important stats for pitchers, and that's all you need for a surface analysis. Similarly, people use BABIP for pitchers to say that the pitcher is simply getting lucky/unlucky if it's too far from .300. And that's useful and generally true (see Josh Tomlin, who everyone correctly predicted would experience a huge regression in performance). So you'd think that works for hitters... but as a rule bad hitters tend to have low BABIPs. Adam Everett had a career BABIP of .275, for example, Ichiro's is .347. And both of those guys have large enough sample sizes to say that it's not a statistical fluke at this point. It's weird, but it's useful to use different stats to look out the same interactions - hitter against batter - to determine the success of each side.
2013-02-19 06:04:04 PM  
Dammit you stat nerds, baseball is about drinking beer for three hours during the game and if you're in Milwaukee, three hours before the game and a few hours after.  Stop thinking so hard.
2013-02-19 07:15:52 PM  

DeWayne Mann: And Dunn's career OBP is higher because he does strike out.

Fun game.

I didn't claim otherwise, but just as Dunn is better by striking out, Ichiro is better by not.  Strikeout is a stat that can only be quantified by the player and the team the player is playing against.
2013-02-20 11:25:23 AM  

lacydog: mrjared: ***snip***

  Russel Branyan, ***snip***

The only stat that truly matters

//Russell The Muscle 4 Life
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