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(NBC News)   In a shocking turn of events, the commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command says the former SEAL's claims in Esquire are full of crap   ( usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line
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2013-02-15 07:01:11 AM  
2 votes:

staplermofo: log_jammin: bullshiat.

When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?  Does it ever take more than an hour for someone to shout bullshiat when needed?

And it's not just any reporter. This piece is by Phil Bronstein, former Executive Editor of the SF Examiner, then the SF Chronicle, one-time finalist for the Pulitzer, and currently chairman of the board for the Center for Investigative Reporting - an organization he's just made look ridiculous because he opted for a shocking narrative over fact-checking.

But I can't really say this comes as a surprise, as the guy's ego-to-integrity ratio is about 600:1. I'm not saying he has no integrity. I'm just saying his ego is that large (possibly due in some small part to being Sharon Stone's bone pony when she was in her prime, although there's a chicken-egg argument to me made there).

/former SF Bay Area journalist
2013-02-15 05:17:46 AM  
2 votes:

staplermofo: When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?

why fact check when "American hero denied healthcare!" makes for a much better story.
2013-02-15 11:54:23 AM  
1 vote:

Silverstaff: They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.

To veterans, "thank you for your service" has gotta feel like "have a nice day" from a traffic cop.
2013-02-15 09:56:24 AM  
1 vote:
And when your skill set on your résumé reads simply "jumps out of airplanes and kills people", it makes it a little harder still to find work.

Anyone leaving the US military with a Top Secret or above clearance (a SEAL certainly has at least TS) is in high demand for all sorts of jobs - most of which don't require any sort of risk. That clearance alone is about $100,000 in costs a potential employer doesn't have to worry about, not to mention any wait times for the investigation to be finished.

Heck, just having a Secret clearance in my past has opened doors for me. over 20 years after I left the Air Force.

Most employers like hiring former military - and not for any patriotic reasons. They get a better employee, on the average.
2013-02-15 09:34:10 AM  
1 vote:

kimmygibblershomework: If only everyone could quit their job early and expect instant retirement benefits...

If only you were dodging IED's for a decade, maybe literally getting your balls blown off or your ovaries shredded, developing PTSD and having your home life ruined b/c you're a different person than the one that was sent over to fight a war that has no end in a place you don't care about by your employer.

Oh, and you only come back if the Sunni tribesmen (some of the fiercest fighters on earth), Iranian-trained shiate militias, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda don't get you.  What the hell do you do for money?  Have you ever done anything like that in your life? Try doing it for 3 years.  Then see if you'd sign up to do it for 6 more.  Then, you're almost halfway to "retirement."  You've got a wife and 3 kids that need to eat.  Do you sign up for another decade of the only thing you're good at, killing, or do come home to try and find a job in the worst economy since the Great Depression?

It's impossible to get qualified people to sign up to do that job in the first place.  Try getting them to stay and apply the knowledge they've gained over 2 decades.  It's a tough life even when nobody is trying to kill you.  When people ARE trying to kill you... it's pretty crazy to stay for 20 years nowadays, even with the benefits as they currently exist.

Sorry to go off, I just felt like that was a pretty cheap shot.  My grandfather fought in 2 wars, and probably had PTSD when he came home the second time.  He got his kneecap shot off in Sicily as an armored battalion commander.  He was also a complete alcoholic and abandoned my Dad's family in the late '50s.  I'd like to think that war changes a person, and makes them do things they wouldn't otherwise do.  A 20 year retirement that pays out automatically is a small price to pay for shattering someone's body AND their mind.
2013-02-15 08:13:30 AM  
1 vote:

Tat'dGreaser: Silverstaff: He seems to want either a plain ordinary office job, or some kind of consultant job. . .but one he can get just off of being a SEAL and not the fame of having been a part of Operation Neptune Spear, much less being the triggerman.

Then why doesn't he go to college like the rest of us did? I'm sorry but being the lucky guy who was the first one in the room that Bin Laden was hiding in does not mean he gets free sh*t just handed to him. How many SEALs have come and gone and not had these problems that he has?

He should have Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits.  That's a full ride 4 year scholarship to any public university in the country, plus BAH (at E-5 rate).

No reason he can't go to school, and even get housing paid for in the process.

The whole thing honestly sounds like he hit epic burnout, just wanted to stop trying or giving a damn, and would like to just retire, but he was a few years too early to do that on the Navy dime.

Did his ego prevent him from asking for a new assignment, like something outside the Special Warfare community?  Couldn't he have become an instructor if he wanted to stay in the SEAL world, but not be an operator any more?

He could have changed ratings and become a cook, a lowly, lowly cook.

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2013-02-15 08:04:14 AM  
1 vote:

Ebbelwoi: Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.

STFU. some of them are kids, get over it ahole.
2013-02-15 08:00:44 AM  
1 vote:

Silverstaff: They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.

To be completely fair, the job market still sucks for everybody.  Unemployment is still up near 8% (7.9% in January according to data.bls.gov).

Unless you have skills that are in high demand, you're screwed whether you're a veteran or not.
2013-02-15 07:37:14 AM  
1 vote:

Silverstaff: Then again, that was probably the spin that Esquire wanted from the article.

Yea that. Are guys getting burned the f*ck out from constant deployments? F*ck yes they are, but come on you know what you're getting in to. We all know combat jobs don't related well to civilian jobs. He could have gotten into any SWAT team in the country though
2013-02-15 07:33:32 AM  
1 vote:

Tat'dGreaser: Everyone in the service knows if you get out early you lose your benefits.

Well, if you read the Esquire article, he'd applied for disability based on the large number of service-related injuries he'd taken, including some spinal damage from some parachute jumps gone awry.  However, thanks to Iraq and Afghanistan, the backlog for processing disability claims is long.  I've seen my fellow soldiers wind their way through that system, it can take years, if he'd started it when he wanted out. . .he'd be getting his disability payments not long before he got his pension.

I read the interview, it sure made it sound like yeah, he knew he was getting out. . .but his complaints were more that the Navy hadn't offered him anything to protect him or his family from retribution if his identity gets out to the jihadis.  He was also very upset that there is no job market for veterans now, no matter how good of a veteran you are.  They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.

He got a half-hearted offer to set him up driving a beer truck in Milwaukee in a sort of witness-protection deal, once, right after the shooting.

The interview makes it sound like a combination of service-related injuries, job burnout, and the extreme strain that constant deployments put on his family life made him want out.  He did more fighting in 16 years than most servicemembers would do in 160.  The 20 year rule works great for a peacetime military, for combat veterans with multiple deployments it's a little different for them.  20 years at a desk job in the Chair Force and never seeing combat or deployment gets you a pension. . .16 years of being a Navy SEAL and you get squat.  Just ain't right.

Reading that article makes me think of a real-life version of John Rambo. . .decorated war-hero special forces vet who loves his country, even as he sees it crapping on him, and just wants to live his life in peace but is feeling increasingly put upon and tormented by The System.

Then again, that was probably the spin that Esquire wanted from the article.
2013-02-15 07:04:48 AM  
1 vote:
He voluntarily mustered out 4 years short of retirement. I can understand not wanting to be a seal any more.... But I bet the navy would find something for you to do for 4 years.
2013-02-15 06:32:07 AM  
1 vote:
With very little known about either side of the story (all that national security concern is swell, of course), I'm going to go with:

I don't know enough to cast my vote either way and I don't care enough to waste effort trying to find out more or pull stuff out of my hinder so I can argue with other farkers about it pointlessly.

I'm no fun, I know.
2013-02-15 04:38:58 AM  
1 vote:

log_jammin: bullshiat.

When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?  Does it ever take more than an hour for someone to shout bullshiat when needed?
2013-02-15 01:57:47 AM  
1 vote:
By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits.


2013-02-15 12:29:38 AM  
1 vote:
By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits. He told Bronstein that even if he stayed long enough, his pension would amount to $2,100 a month, the same a member of the Navy choir receives.

Which he knew before he made the final decision to quit so he should quit his biatching.

I still don't get why the guy is seeking sympathy for a decision he made.

"I was usually the guy to joke around when we were planning these things, but I was like, 'Hey guys, we have to take this serious,'' he said in the story. "There's a 90 percent chance this is a one-way mission. We're gonna die, so let's do this right.''

He's like Debbie Downer with a gun.

Must be fun at parties.
2013-02-15 12:23:29 AM  
1 vote:
Who would have thought that the guy who specifically remembers, "These biatches is gettin' truculent" might have been making stuff up?
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