MugzyBrown: So if they held a vote in Oregon and 80% of the people voted that they didn't feel the US gov't represents their interests anymore and would like to be removed from the union, you think that the US gov't should forcibily make them change their mind?
Dear Jerk: I was in court for a burned out headlight and the dumbass next to me tried this bs. The judge said something like 'you may not believe in the court, but the court believes in you.' Or maybe I saw that on a tv show. I don't know. Anyway, the judge made it clear that the defendant would lose with that strategy.
danvon: FTFA: "His mother, who had come out to the car, asked if it was illegal to carry a gun in a car. "I always carry one," she said."What's up with these Sovereign Citizens always having mommy around?
DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.
Farce-Side: banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on herMay I ask why a tiny asian girl threw a book at you?It's not that weird, that's the same kind of kink I'm into as well.So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap? Nobody's ever been able to really explain it to me.
unchellmatt: clancifer: "...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."That's just like the Liberal Media: Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.Yeah, but which one is which? They're awfully similar. The number of "Tea Party" people who gleefully misquote, ignore, or flat out don't know anything from the Constitution beyond the Second Amendment, and don't even get that right half the time,is about on par with the "Sovereign" loonies.
He was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.
Scrotastic Method: That's from Constantine. Except it's not a court line, it's God.
GF named my left testicle thundercles: violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived..
Circusdog320: sovereign citizen just means shirking responsibilityguess it's okay to use roads funded by taxes....
ignatius_crumbcake: JohnAnnArbor: I don't think any islands are unclaimed anymore, except in the Antarctic.I'm sure some shiatty island nation would agree to sell an uninhabited island for enough money. This one looks nice: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/kanacea-island. I bet the Koch brothers could offer Fiji a few billion dollars and buy the island with an agreement to secede after purchase and get official diplomatic recognition thrown in with the deal.
Chuck Wagon: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?A bunch of these wackos also do weird things like copyright their own name. Then when they inevitably become involved in some sort of legal dispute they claim that they are entitled to damages every time a document has their name listed. So they sue the judge, court reporter, and basically anyone involved in the legal proceedings. Sometimes instead of suing the wacko will just file a lien on their houses.Of course all of this nonsense gets slapped down in due time.What I really don't understand is why these wackos keep trying this nonsense even when every other time this stuff has been tried it has failed miserably.
JohnAnnArbor: Cargo-cult law. They think if they say long, legal-sounding words, their case is airtight.
Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?
Vexed Thespian: DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.I watch a lot of L&O (or used to) but im not familiar with the episode you are talking about, do you remember any guest stars?
Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.http://www.dwmlc.com//everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, though
85blue: The man went to court with supporting evidence.The police had partial evidence and admitted to it being altered. Regardless if the man is "out there" he appears to be correct.This just one more example of a convoluted legal system being abused.
mooseyfate: Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.http://www.dwmlc.com//everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, thoughIs that website even in english? I stared at it for 5 minutes and I still can't decipher those hieroglyphics.
semiotix: m00: Not very impressed with the police>>The officer said the driver "challenged me with different codes and stuff at first."Oh no, the driver probably has an obnoxious level of case law memorized for just this event. Well guess what, it's an officer's job to know the laws too.Well... no, not really. It's an officer's job to know what the limits of his reasonable authority are in a given situation, not every philosophical nuance of the controlling opinion of the appellate court that established those limits back in 1903 with the landmark case of Joe v. Schmoe. It sounds like this guy rattled off a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to try to confuse the cop in question into forgetting that it's okay to pull someone over when you witness a traffic violation. Not surprisingly, it didn't work. The correct procedure in that case is to write the ticket and let the esteemed legal theorist explain to the traffic court judge why school zone speed limits don't apply to vehicles with an odd number of wheels.
PYROY: It seems unlikely that a person could ever receive a fair trial when going up against the police since the judge and cops are on the same team.
banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on herMay I ask why a tiny asian girl threw a book at you?
Ehcks: Farce-Side: MugzyBrown: I just don't agree with the idea that some guys signed a contract 250 years ago and everybody who happens to be born within imaginary lines are forever bound by that contract.That's the thing. You can leave. You are not forced to stay within those imaginary lines.Exactly. When you turn 18 you are legally able to attempt to emigrate. If you decide to stay, you are consenting to the laws of the country. If you then also get a job with a taxable income, you are consenting to pay taxes on that income.If you don't like it, GTFO.
NephilimNexus: "A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working."How convenient. I see this happening a lot in the future.
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