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justtray

2013-02-11 01:04:17 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.

Huh. I didn't know you could just go around declaring stuff and make it true.

You should be aware, that's what the Freeh report is.

"No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

The above is a factual statement.

jaytkay

2013-02-11 01:24:37 AM

justtray: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

The above is a factual statement.

You're making one carefully worded claim (note the weasel word "critical") and presenting that as "proof" exonerating Paterno of all wrongdoing.

Paterno admitted knowing about Sandusky's boy-raping,

Afterwards, Paterno kept Sandusky on the coaching staff.

After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.

Your "factual statement" may be technically true. Another true statement is "Paterno knowingly protected and supported a child molester".

vygramul

2013-02-11 01:44:31 AM

justtray: If you read the ESPN article, you would know why your comment is so farking stupid.

Only one person involved had any connection to the Paterno family, and that one person's relationship was described as "not close." They were also directed to investigate and find the truth, regardless of positive or negative. Can the Freeh report say that? Based on this reports findings, and the obvious, glaring bias, non-factual conclusions the Freeh report makes, I would say "probably not."

I have no affiliation to Penn State or anyone who ever went there. I just hate public media witch burnings that are entirely devoid and ignorant of facts. Because as someone above said, they don't want or care about the facts. Everyone just wants to feel morally superior and blame anyone and everyone involved.

Frankly, I hope this reports help the Paterno family sue Penn State back to the stone age. They deserve it.

I stand corrected. The connection is overstated. But you still seem to be making a mistake about what a lot of people's complaint about Joe is. Generally, I think people are taking some license to exaggerate when they say Joe covered-up the rapes. What we DO know, and is undeniable, is that Joe knew Sandusky was doing something INCREDIBLY inappropriate. Joe did not choose to do the DECENT thing I (or, I imagine, you) would have done, which is follow-up and find out, because if kids were getting raped on MY watch in MY locker rooms, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night not knowing if the problem had been dealt with. Since Sandusky was still wandering around, that's pretty strong evidence something was amiss.

There's a long tradition in collegiate sports to ignore or willfully self-delude or even cover-up in order to protect student athletes. Rape, especially, is a reprehensible problem at universities.

ESPN did a whole "Outside the Lines" on JoePa covering for assaults among his players. Joe adamantly defended that it hadn't happened and he hadn't heard, and ESPN kept telling him it happened, but he was uninterested in investigating himself.

Ignorance was plausible deniability. It wasn't until he was forced to see what happened that he kicked two players off the team.

So when we know for a fact that Joe reported up the chain the rape, and didn't follow-up, most of us aren't saying he did something illegal. But he sure as hell did something reprehensible and morally indefensible. Joe gets attacked for that reason, and because he is defended so adamantly by people who say he did nothing wrong. He might not have done anything illegal, but you sure as shiat know that if it was HIS kid or grandkid in that locker room with Sandusky, Joe wouldn't have just gone with a "fire and forget" report and hope he wasn't confronted with it again.

THAT is why I find him detestable. There were kids, hoping that somehow, somewhere, someone, God, anyone, would save them. The pain, humiliation, and fear were dominating their lives, desperate for salvation. Joe heard at least one cry for help, and did the absofarkinglutely minimum to satisfy the legal requirements to cover his own ass and that's it.

We need fewer of those guys in this world, and we sure as hell don't need to be worshipping their likenesses.

DaintySavage

2013-02-11 03:22:35 AM

gimmegimme: Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: I guess you're right. If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.

Yeah, I would report it to the police too. But as far as I know, neither of us in a 75 year old man who is in charge of a multi-million dollar enterprise. A decrepit old football coach was told this information, he put it in the hands of his bosses and the campus police. Should he have called the state police instead? Is calling 911 better than telling a police chief?

But a grad assistant coach told him an incredible story, he told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it and take care of it. He told the right people about it. It wasn't morally enough, probably. I just don't see how it's cool to say he conspired to cover up child rape based on what he knew about the situation. His bosses for sure though, they knew more about it and worked to cover it up.

He deserves to lose his legacy, perfectly reasonable to say he didn't do enough.

Paterno did not call the "police." He called the guy who orders Post-its for the police. If someone is breaking into my home, I'm not, for example, going to call the HR rep for the policemen's union. I'm going to call the police.

And if he knew that Sandusky had raped children and took no action to bring Sandusky to justice (as you concede), how is he not part of the cover-up?

Ok, i've read enough of your crap. Let's get a few things out in the open first.
1) I hate PSU
2) I have laughed at the video of JP crapping his pants on the sideline many a time
3) I absolutely despise PSU fans

Now that is out of the way, you are just being a huge jackass. The person he told, Schultz, was the man who had direct contact with the police, not some HR person ordering sharpies. Down playing his position to such an extreme degree makes you look like an uneducated moron. The grown man who saw the incident take place never contacted the police. He went to JP the day after he witnessed it. How credible would you think a story is for something that traumatic when it isn't told to you until the following day and authorities are never contacted by the witness? Now, after JP told his superiors (which included Schultz) they contacted McQueary and interviewed him. Paterno was not present at that interview. He was however told later by Schultz that things were handled and people were contacted, including the head of Sanduskys charity. No emails had ever been found or any shred of evidence has been found that implicated JP of assisting in a cover-up or that one was taking place. He may have been told that an investigation had taken place and nothing happened. We don't know exactly what was said because there is no hard proof of that conversation, only JP saying what he was told in general terms.

But what we do know are these things:
Jim Calhoun, a janitor, saw Sandusky raping a boy two years before the McQueary incident. He told another janitor and his supervisor what he saw. That other janitor told the supervisor that he saw Sandusky's car in the parking lot that night. Other members of the janitorial staff were told. The supervisor gave them a name and number and told them to contact them to report the incident if they would like. Not one person said a thing.

McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.

For someone so sure of what actually happened, you must have proof you are not releasing to the police or media. Why are you also involved in the cover-up? Direct your tiny rage boner where it belongs.

DancingElkCondor

2013-02-11 06:20:51 AM

Reading the Paterno Report....the glaring thing from it is that Louis Freeh never interviewed the key people involved...Pres Spanier, AD Curley, JoePa....none of them. That Freeh Report will never hold up in court, and any "agreement" Penn St signed could be abrogated by a judge

And, I wonder if the NCAA will be willing to fight Penn State....after the NCAA got cold busted bribing a witness in the U of Miami investigation. The discovery part against the NCAA will be quite fun....load up on the Orville Reddenbacher....

I will state as a Fact that JoePa will have his wins reinstated....and the Paterno's will win their suit vs the NCAA. There was no hearing with Paterno and the NCAA....and in the SCOTUS decision in Tarkanian v NCAA (1990s case)....the NCAA has to give individuals "due process" before any punishment can be leveled. Penn St cannot sign an agreement with the NCAA punishing an individual if the individual has not had due process. JoePa was already dead before the NCAA got involved

Anyone in the media who claims that Paterno will not win is a freaking idiot. Legal precedent is already there...and it favors Paterno.

Someone is gonna need to tell Bobby Bowden he is not going to be the winngest college football coach...Dadgummit

legion_of_doo

2013-02-11 07:55:53 AM

DancingElkCondor: SCOTUS decision in Tarkanian v NCAA (1990s case)....the NCAA has to give individuals "due process" before any punishment can be leveled

Where do you see that the SCOTUS requires due process from the NCAA regarding their sanctions? The NCAA isn't the government. I'm not an unfrozen caveman, but I don't think the NCAA's actions constitute "state action" either in Tarkanian or Paterno's case.

Ninepoundhammer

2013-02-11 08:30:55 AM

Burn in hell, Joe-Pa

Jsin82

2013-02-11 08:39:39 AM

Listening to Jay Paterno on Mike and Mike... God what an uncaring douche.

The Goon Show

2013-02-11 08:51:39 AM

Just waiting for the next clean and upstanding school to fall. With the Graham Spanier involvement at Penn State, Nebraska and "Saint Tom" wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Live in Nebraska, thought Osborne in the senate was one of the biggest jokes ever (going to retire to spend more time with family, but going into politics looks good to get away from the family).

Doctor Funkenstein

2013-02-11 09:23:32 AM

This just in! I've just completed a report that says I'm incredibly charming and have a large penis and many women want to ride my gargantuan penis and also my face should be on our money. It's super cereal, guys. It's science!

iron_city_ap

2013-02-11 10:00:26 AM

They sound butthurt.

DaintySavage

2013-02-11 10:17:21 AM

iron_city_ap: They sound butthurt.

Of course they were butthurt, they were just kids and no lube was used.

Publikwerks

2013-02-11 10:26:28 AM

If a coworker was sodomizing boys, do you tell your boss and then wash your hands of it? Or do you make sure that the SOB goes to jail?

DancingElkCondor: Anyone in the media who claims that Paterno will not win is a freaking idiot

born_yesterday

2013-02-11 10:31:00 AM

jaytkay: After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.

It was because of his fantastic ball-handling abilities.

/Hey, let's defend child rape for our Alma Matter!

vygramul

2013-02-11 10:36:42 AM

DaintySavage: McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.

I doubt anyone here who is attacking Joe is defending McQueary. McQ did as much as Joe did, followed the same laws and procedures. If one attacks McQ, it is on a moral basis. While it is fully deserved, it also ruins the defense that Joe followed procedure and should therefore be left alone.

There is a qualitative difference, of course, between witnessing the rape and merely being informed of it. But so, too, is there a qualitative difference between being an assistant coach and being one of the most powerful men in the state. They were not equally vulnerable in their jobs and they were not equally credible when it comes to any accusation that the institution engaged in retaliation and cover-up.

And there's certainly a difference between who is getting all the defending.

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 10:38:30 AM

The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything. We're not having it. Go away.

The Goon Show

2013-02-11 10:50:59 AM

They just don't know when to Shut up Be Quiet and Don't Say Anything. They have a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth and every family member suffers because of that.

born_yesterday

2013-02-11 10:53:37 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything. We're not having it. Go away.

This. They could have actual video evidence of JooooeeeeeeePaaaaaaaaa doing a piss-poor job of pleading ignorance of child rape ("A man with a boy...I for to did not understand this, for who forsooth has heard of such"), and these shiatstains would still worship the ground he walked on for eternity. Oh, wait, that video exists, and JoooeeeePaaaa is a shiatstain on the ass of humanity.

justtray

2013-02-11 11:01:40 AM

born_yesterday: Yanks_RSJ: The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything. We're not having it. Go away.

This. They could have actual video evidence of JooooeeeeeeePaaaaaaaaa doing a piss-poor job of pleading ignorance of child rape ("A man with a boy...I for to did not understand this, for who forsooth has heard of such"), and these shiatstains would still worship the ground he walked on for eternity. Oh, wait, that video exists, and JoooeeeePaaaa is a shiatstain on the ass of humanity.

Which is based on, literally, no evidence.

justtray

2013-02-11 11:03:04 AM

jaytkay: justtray: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

The above is a factual statement.

You're making one carefully worded claim (note the weasel word "critical") and presenting that as "proof" exonerating Paterno of all wrongdoing.

Paterno admitted knowing about Sandusky's boy-raping,

Afterwards, Paterno kept Sandusky on the coaching staff.

After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.

Your "factual statement" may be technically true. Another true statement is "Paterno knowingly protected and supported a child molester".

Haha, wow. This is what ignorance looks like, personified.

DaintySavage

2013-02-11 11:05:38 AM

vygramul: DaintySavage: McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.

I doubt anyone here who is attacking Joe is defending McQueary. McQ did as much as Joe did, followed the same laws and procedures. If one attacks McQ, it is on a moral basis. While it is fully deserved, it also ruins the defense that Joe followed procedure and should therefore be left alone.

There is a qualitative difference, of course, between witnessing the rape and merely being informed of it. But so, too, is there a qualitative difference between being an assistant coach and being one of the most powerful men in the state. They were not equally vulnerable in their jobs and they were not equally credible when it comes to any accusation that the institution engaged in retaliation and cover-up.

And there's certainly a difference between who is getting all the defending.

That's all well and good, but what he have told the police department? "Someone told me this happened. I have no proof and I didn't see it, but I was told about it." Maybe that would have worked. Maybe he thought by telling the man who had direct oversight of the police department he was doing exactly that. I can't speak for what his intentions were and I agree there were other options he could have taken. But that does not mean he participated in or had knowledge of any cover up. Claiming to know this as fact will make many a person look foolish.

justtray

2013-02-11 11:07:25 AM

As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 11:17:29 AM

justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

Phil Knight made no rush to judgement, he was a speaker at Paterno's funeral a longtime friend and vocal defender from the get go. Any attempt he's now making to suggest that he judged Paterno too harshly is a lie, and his opinion is as worthless and biased as Jay Paterno's.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 11:26:51 AM

Yanks_RSJ: justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

Phil Knight made no rush to judgement, he was a speaker at Paterno's funeral a longtime friend and vocal defender from the get go. Any attempt he's now making to suggest that he judged Paterno too harshly is a lie, and his opinion is as worthless and biased as Jay Paterno's.

But after that, when the Freeh report came out, Knight disassociated himself from the Paterno family and took Joe's name off of the Nike child learning academy.

Some people are claiming that JoePa made a huge, unforgivable error of judgment. Some people are claiming that he was involved in some Illuminati level cover up of child rape. There's evidence of one, and not the other

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 11:30:12 AM

Champion of the Sun: But after that, when the Freeh report came out, Knight disassociated himself from the Paterno family and took Joe's name off of the Nike child learning academy.

Some people are claiming that JoePa made a huge, unforgivable error of judgment. Some people are claiming that he was involved in some Illuminati level cover up of child rape. There's evidence of one, and not the other

Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 11:31:11 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.

Except JoePa himself who said he should've done more, right?

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 11:36:52 AM

Champion of the Sun: Yanks_RSJ: Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.

Except JoePa himself who said he should've done more, right?

Listen to Jay Paterno's verbal tap dance around those comments and see if he actually thinks he made an "unforgivable error".

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong

2013-02-11 11:46:13 AM

Holy fark, these people are all entirely 100% morally bankrupt, down to the last man. Paterno appears to have just been the biggest asshole in his vast family of assholes. Who happens to have been best bros and colleagues with a long-time child rapist. Who mysteriously didn't report child rape to the police and insisted on handling discipline 'in house'.

The vast and unimaginable amount of self-absorbed narcissism it takes to commission a 'report' like this blows my farking mind. Are they going to team up with O.J. next to find the real killers?

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

carrion_luggage

2013-02-11 11:46:46 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: [67.18.219.83 image 800x477]

Sorry, but this shot always makes me think the following:

Two football players, running hard: "Hey Coach Paterno, wait up -- Sandusky's in the shower right now raping a kid! Coach!"
Paterno: "Taxi!"

CheatCommando

2013-02-11 11:51:31 AM

bulldg4life: Wouldn't it be in PSU's best interests to release a report that absolved Paterno (and others) from blame and tried to ignore the idea that high-level administrators knew what was going on?

There you go being all logical and everything.

born_yesterday

2013-02-11 11:54:15 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Holy fark, these people are all entirely 100% morally bankrupt, down to the last man. Paterno appears to have just been the biggest asshole in his vast family of assholes. Who happens to have been best bros and colleagues with a long-time child rapist. Who mysteriously didn't report child rape to the police and insisted on handling discipline 'in house'.

The vast and unimaginable amount of self-absorbed narcissism it takes to commission a 'report' like this blows my farking mind. Are they going to team up with O.J. next to find the real killers?

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Does anyone else remember the ESPN ad for college football, the one that had all the coaches trying to recruit the ad's protagonist? The one where JoPa literally--and I mean literally--growls at the camera "Come to Penn State!", then snarls? I've always wondered, WTF were they thinking?

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 11:55:18 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Listen to Jay Paterno's verbal tap dance around those comments and see if he actually thinks he made an "unforgivable error".

He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did. That he wish he had done more. Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father. And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was. His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist. There is no evidence of that. Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?

Also brings up a bunch of good points about how skilled most predators are in grooming victims and communities. Seems like JoePa gets all this blame when there were hundreds of people in a position to see him for what he was, and no one realized his true nature.

The biggest issue Jay had was the Freeh report saying that Penn State covered up the 1998 incident, when in fact there's documentation of it being passed along to the police and a prosecutor. Seems like the Freeh report was pretty shoddy.

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 11:59:37 AM

Champion of the Sun: He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did. That he wish he had done more. Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father. And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was. His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist. There is no evidence of that. Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?

I'm not blaming him for defending his father - what I said, however, isn't untrue. There ARE people who absolutely WILL NOT ADMIT that Joe Paterno made an unforgivable error when he was part of a group of men who knew of a sexual assault and didn't report it. "Wishing he had done more in hindsight" is vague and means nothing to me.

Coach_J

2013-02-11 12:00:42 PM

You must be joking. A report paid for by the Paterno family has found that amazingly JP did no wrong. Wow. How. Shocking. I also love how the fake report points to a glaring error that Freeh didn't talk to Paterno, when the ONLY REASON Paterno wasn't interviewed by Freeh was because he refused to do so.

Look, Sandusky was investigated for showing with a young boy in 1998. Sandusky full admits to showering with the boy and then resigns in 1999. If ANYONE is going to tell me that JoPa didn't know why his Assistant Coach was being investigated for...and why the sicko had to resign...you are 100% completely FOS. You are telling me the guy has the facility and the ability to hand pick the replacement AD, but he isn't told that Sandusky was farking around with kids? Get a clue.

TWO YEARS LATER McQueary tells JoPa about the 2nd shower incident. Not the first, the SECOND incident. By the way, when the Sicko resigned in '99, JoPa supported allowing Sandusky full access to the athletic facilities, including keys. So not only did he cover for him, he also gives the pedo access to the SAME farkING FACILITY WHERE ITS HAPPENED BEFORE!!!

Look in the mirror jackass...that's what the face of being ashamed looks like.

Coach_J

2013-02-11 12:09:58 PM

And there is on more nail in the coffin of that pedo-enabler. If the Paterno family had ANY evidence worth a shiat that really cleared JoePa's name, they would be suing everything that isn't nailed down.

Read this article...make up your own mind.

"In the end, though, the "Critique" did little to nothing to suggest Paterno didn't know in 1998. The report brought to light no new facts. So, barring further evidence being uncovered during the criminal cases expected later this year, the Freeh conclusion remains the far most likely scenario. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--paterno-family-report-does-littl e- to-diminish-belief-coach-knew-of-first-sandusky-allegation-184221077.h tml

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick

2013-02-11 12:12:11 PM

Coach_J: justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

You must be joking. A report paid for by the Paterno family has found that amazingly JP did no wrong. Wow. How. Shocking. I also love how the fake report points to a glaring error that Freeh didn't talk to Paterno, when the ONLY REASON Paterno wasn't interviewed by Freeh was because he refused to do so.

Look, Sandusky was investigated for showing with a young boy in 1998. Sandusky full admits to showering with the boy and then resigns in 1999. If ANYONE is going to tell me that JoPa didn't know why his Assistant Coach was being investigated for...and why the sicko had to resign...you are 100% completely FOS. You are telling me the guy has the facility and the ability to hand pick the replacement AD, but he isn't told that Sandusky was farking around with kids? Get a clue.

TWO YEARS LATER McQueary tells JoPa about the 2nd shower incident. Not the first, the SECOND incident. By the way, when the Sicko resigned in '99, JoPa supported allowing Sandusky full access to the athletic facilities, including keys. So not only did he cover for him, he also gives the pedo access to the SAME farkING FACILITY WHERE ITS HAPPENED BEFORE!!!

Look in the mirror jackass...that's what the face of being ashamed looks like.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 12:13:37 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did. That he wish he had done more. Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father. And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was. His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist. There is no evidence of that. Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?

I'm not blaming him for defending his father - what I said, however, isn't untrue. There ARE people who absolutely WILL NOT ADMIT that Joe Paterno made an unforgivable error when he was part of a group of men who knew of a sexual assault and didn't report it. "Wishing he had done more in hindsight" is vague and means nothing to me.

But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements. Someone can't do both at the same time. So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error. Some idiots think that there was nothing wrong with what JoePa did, and legally they're right by the way, but those people don't include the Paterno family. And JoePa looks a lot better than his bosses, of whom we know actually covered it up and didn't do anything to stop it. There's a lower level of culpability for Paterno, and everyone calling for his head diminishes the severity of the crimes committed by Sandusky and the administration.

Yanks_RSJ

2013-02-11 12:19:09 PM

Champion of the Sun: But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements. Someone can't do both at the same time. So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error.

The key word here is "unforgivable". The day someone in the Paterno family says that is the day I start listening to anything that comes out of their mouths. They are not objective, this report had a desired conclusion and worked backwards from that, which is the same criticism they have of the Freeh Report.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 12:25:36 PM

Coach_J: And there is on more nail in the coffin of that pedo-enabler. If the Paterno family had ANY evidence worth a shiat that really cleared JoePa's name, they would be suing everything that isn't nailed down.

Read this article...make up your own mind.

"In the end, though, the "Critique" did little to nothing to suggest Paterno didn't know in 1998. The report brought to light no new facts. So, barring further evidence being uncovered during the criminal cases expected later this year, the Freeh conclusion remains the far most likely scenario. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--paterno-family-report-does-littl e- to-diminish-belief-coach-knew-of-first-sandusky-allegation-184221077.h tml

It actually looks like they're in the process of bringing suit against the NCAA, PSU, and possibly the Freeh group, that's why the report looks like a legal complaint. There's zero proof that JoePa knew in 1998, only circumstantial evidence that he may have known that there was a police investigation into something. Not even what the investigation was. If the police make no arrests and the prosecutor decides not to press any charges, how much thought is JoePa gonna give to the investigation after the fact?

Not to mention the numerous police investigations into players of his for a bunch of different crimes that he had no clue about. Making him out to be some conspiratorial mastermind and gleefully covering child rape doesn't fit any of the facts of the case, or his reputation. He was an old man who didn't put any attention into anything outside the football program. He didn't even pay attention when his players were under investigation, there were back ups, and as long as the plays were designed right, he didn't care who was calling or executing them.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 12:32:07 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements. Someone can't do both at the same time. So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error.

The key word here is "unforgivable". The day someone in the Paterno family says that is the day I start listening to anything that comes out of their mouths. They are not objective, this report had a desired conclusion and worked backwards from that, which is the same criticism they have of the Freeh Report.

There's actually a ton more to it than that. So yeah, they spent their money on an issue that was dear to them. Don't think there's anything out of the ordinary there. It takes a single page to say there was no evidence that JoePa was involved with a conspiracy to cover up and aid child rape. The rest of the report shows faults with the investigation, who is at fault, and ways to identify and protect against child predators.

I just don't see them as monsters for defending JoePa when he's been accused of covering up and aiding child rape. Since there's no evidence of that whatsoever. I'm sure there's be a lot more willingness to say there was an unforgivable error of judgment if the NCAA, PSU, and the public were merely asserting that there was an unforgivable error of judgment, as opposed to him covering up and aiding child rape.

Coach_J

2013-02-11 12:49:14 PM

Champion of the Sun: There's zero proof that JoePa knew in 1998, only circumstantial evidence that he may have known that there was a police investigation into something. Not even what the investigation was. If the police make no arrests and the prosecutor decides not to press any charges, how much thought is JoePa gonna give to the investigation after the fact?

Right.

It's completely plausible that a Head Football Coach with the connections and power that JoePa had (he farking hand-picked his boss FFS) wouldn't know that his Head Assistant Football coach was investigated by police and wouldn't ask "uh, hey, why's my Defensive Coordinator being taking to police HQ"....and they didn't tell him. I'm sure that's exactly how it went down.

Stick your head back in the sand.

justtray

2013-02-11 12:53:23 PM

Hey wow, look. A guy basing his entire opinion on bald assertion that Joe Paterno knew Sandusky was raping children in 1998. Sorry Mr. Freeh, but your report was a sham, and you're going to be sued over the irresponsible conclusions you made. Worse yet, you're going to lose.

AngryPanda

2013-02-11 12:56:01 PM

I should consider S&M or something, because all I do is read these PSU threads and see the same arguments every time.

Anyone know a good fark harness salesperson?

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 01:05:59 PM

Coach_J: Right.

It's completely plausible that a Head Football Coach with the connections and power that JoePa had (he farking hand-picked his boss FFS) wouldn't know that his Head Assistant Football coach was investigated by police and wouldn't ask "uh, hey, why's my Defensive Coordinator being taking to police HQ"....and they didn't tell him. I'm sure that's exactly how it went down.

Stick your head back in the sand.

He didn't know players of his were under investigation for assaults either. Didn't know that some had been arrested even. You're making an assertion with no basis in fact, just on the assumption that a guy involved in the football program is all knowing. You and I might have inquired into it. But there's no evidence he had. Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

Seems like JoePa is the one getting all the heat. And the governor who was AG while this was going down isn't getting too much attention. The board of trustees are somehow forever blameless too. The police investigating the 1998 incident are given a pass. The prosecutor is given a pass. The coach who witnessed a child rape and didn't intervene is give a pass. The janitor who witnessed a different rape is getting a pass. No one has accountability here except JoePa and the kids playing football there a decade after the fact

Coach_J

2013-02-11 01:14:11 PM

Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King. Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...

vygramul

2013-02-11 01:23:42 PM

Champion of the Sun: Seems like JoePa is the one getting all the heat. And the governor who was AG while this was going down isn't getting too much attention. The board of trustees are somehow forever blameless too. The police investigating the 1998 incident are given a pass. The prosecutor is given a pass. The coach who witnessed a child rape and didn't intervene is give a pass. The janitor who witnessed a different rape is getting a pass. No one has accountability here except JoePa and the kids playing football there a decade after the fact

We (fark) had that conversation and came to the uncontroversial unanimous conclusion that everyone else involved is a scumbag. What, you want MORE preaching to the choir about how they're all douches? There is only ONE person involved in ALL of this who consistently attracts defenders, and that's why he "seems" to get all the heat. He's not. They all get heat. He's the only one with people rushing forward to provide ceramic tiling.

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 01:26:50 PM

Coach_J: Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King. Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...

Listen brah, I compared him to a king because everyone's excuse for claiming he knew what was happening is that he was the undisputed master of PSU. If people want to say he ran it like his own little fiefdom, I'll compare him to a king.

Not a Penn State fan, just don't like people casually calling people reap enablers. It kinda diminishes the charge against people who deserve the moniker

LTRM35A2

2013-02-11 01:27:15 PM

Great, now those folks around here who still have up signs in the windows of their homes/stores that say "JUSTICE FOR JOPA! RETURN HIS WINS!" and "WE SUPPORT JOE PATERNO!" will stay up for at least 5 MORE years because now there's concrete proof that he did nothing wrong!

/ Supporting a dead guy, that should tell you something about the clarity of your thinking people.....

born_yesterday

2013-02-11 01:36:01 PM

LTRM35A2: Great, now those folks around here who still have up signs in the windows of their homes/stores that say "JUSTICE FOR JOPA! RETURN HIS WINS!" and "WE SUPPORT JOE PATERNO!" will stay up for at least 5 MORE years because now there's concrete proof that he did nothing wrong!

/ Supporting a dead guy, that should tell you something about the clarity of your thinking people.....

YOU AIN'T NEVER GONNA TAKE PENN STATE NATION!!!

Champion of the Sun

2013-02-11 01:42:00 PM

vygramul: We (fark) had that conversation and came to the uncontroversial unanimous conclusion that everyone else involved is a scumbag. What, you want MORE preaching to the choir about how they're all douches? There is only ONE person involved in ALL of this who consistently attracts defenders, and that's why he "seems" to get all the heat. He's not. They all get heat. He's the only one with people rushing forward to provide ceramic tiling.

The AG won the governorship and the board of trustees all have their jobs still. JoePa is the only one being unfairly attacked. I've said it a bunch of times, he failed and he deserved to lose his legacy. He doesn't deserve to be called a conspirator or aider of child rape though.

McQueary and the VP guy are technically suspended because of whistle blower protection, which JoePa didn't get.

A lot of people blindly defending him are morons, most even. But there's no evidence he conspired to cover anything up. The more heinous the allegation, the higher the proof I think in the court of public opinion.

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