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6737 clicks; posted to Geek » on 23 Jan 2013 at 10:38 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-01-23 10:45:11 AM  
3 votes:
My takeaway from the article is that Steve Jobs should have his own wing in the shiattiest buddhists of all time hall of fame.
2013-01-23 05:09:26 PM  
1 vote:

Virulency: seems suspicious and should have more light but it does seem like don't spam my employees with offers and we won't spam yours? if the employee initiates that's fine but don't linked in every apple developer...

The companies are deliberately subverting the free labor market by engaging in collusion. They're agreeing amongst themselves, in secret and opaquely to the labor market, to avoid bidding up compensation packages by not poaching each other's top candidates.

This is purely about an "old-boy's network" using their connections and power among each other to prevent their employees from having leverage in the labor market. It's Robber Baron shiat, and it's repulsive.
2013-01-23 02:01:40 PM  
1 vote:

poot_rootbeer: H31N0US: This kind of collusion is monopolistic and illegal.

Based on the content of the emails, it sure looks that way. Especially the parts where they talk about how important it is to be discreet about the existence of the "handshake agreements".

A reciprocal no-poaching policy is probably more defensible than a reciprocal no-hire policy, though. It depends on whether the agency lies with an HR recruiter initiating contact while representing the company's interests, or an employee representing his own.

Given how those emails are written... I doubt it will matter. It paints a picture of a bunch of executives who knew what they were doing was wrong, and did it anyways.
2013-01-23 01:09:24 PM  
1 vote:
How is IBM not on this list
2013-01-23 12:11:31 PM  
1 vote:

Dinjiin: This is why you tie your employees down with golden handcuffs.  Make them agonize over any decision to leave the company.

Golden handcuffs cost money. That's the point of all of this.

Apple pays employee $120,000 yearly salary and offers x benefits package. Google then wants the talent of this employee and offers then $130,000 yearly salary, offering them y benefits package, which is superior to x. Apple can do one of three things here:

A) keep their employee, hoping that company loyalty and non-compensation factors contribute to the employee staying (basically, a gamble)
B) keep their employee by offering a raise to the employee, whether the market price of his/her labor warrants it or not;
C) lose the employee

By agreeing to not "poach" employees, you reduce the overall cost of your human capital and make the HR process easier to deal with. You also deny the human capital a good career path and lock them in to a sort of servitude, which is why it's illegal.
2013-01-23 11:11:24 AM  
1 vote:

JohnBigBootay: Nurglitch: Depending on the Buddhists, and by that I mean cultural Buddhists rather than Western flakes, they have some rather interesting Hells.

I suspect someone is enjoying animal world about now.

Jobs has been reborn as a Tyson Chicken in a no-light closed ventilation Kentucky chicken farm twenty to thirty times since his death?

This kind of collusion is monopolistic and illegal. I hope they get reamed by the lawsuit.
2013-01-23 11:10:16 AM  
1 vote:
And just to make sure we stay super-best-friends-forever you can be on our board of directors and I'll be on yours and we'll vote each other farking huge piles of cash instead of allowing the people doing the actual work to be paid what the market will bear.
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