fusillade762: doglover: Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.What's an ass-nickle?
doglover: Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.
Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I can't believe Obama is standing in the way of putting emergency bourbon stations in every school.
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: If you are really, really concerned for your your safety, and the safety of your children, vote to ban alcohol.When someone walks into a school and drinks a classroom of kids to death, maybe I'll consider it.That's the insidious thing about alcohol. It will have killed far more children this year then that shooting. It just does it quietly, one or two at a time. perfect killing machine. It manages to stay just under the radar.Your post is proof of that.
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: If you are really, really concerned for your your safety, and the safety of your children, vote to ban alcohol.
doglover: They're not just for killing.
heili skrimsli: Fart_Machine: That's a wonderful strawman you've got there. My point was the AWB was cosmetic and pointless. You're the one with panty-problems over a simple word which doesn't detract from anything I've said. Go change your tampon.Seems I was right. You really are butthurt because firearms manufacturers were still able to make and sell a legal product and weren't put out of business by removing all those scary cosmetic features from their rifles.If anybody's tampon needs to be changed, it's yours.
SpectroBoy: You know how I know you don't know shiat about guns?
Amos Quito: .......And the boobs as well.
Amos Quito: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: Alonjar: Show me my error. I'm an engineer.. it will be fun.With a fair coin, the odds of getting a heads in one flip is 0.5. What are the odds of getting at least one heads in two flips? Three flips?He didn't say the chance of one specific person being robbed, he said the overall average per lifetime.It doesn't matter who he was talking about since it's literally impossible for this:there is a 223% chance that you will be burglarized...to be valid in any context. Any time you've wound up with a probability greater than 1 (or greater than 100%), it's an immediate indication that somebody got their math wrong.This says something interesting about you. Either, you can't follow basic statistics and understand what someone intended to convey with the numbers provided, or you followed along, knew what they meant, and decided to be a willfully obtuse dick for no real reason. Either way, I'm not remotely surprised.Guess where my money is.
Xcott: GUTSU: Keizer_Ghidorah: GUTSU:At least they're not neon pink. I also find it amusing that two of them have guns nearly as big as they are.True, at least they aren't completely tasteless.Says you. If rifles were all pink with Hello Kitty decals, a lot of the people who shouldn't have guns, wouldn't.Instead of banning weapons, we should simply mandate that firearms look as girly as possible. You can choose between pink or lilac, accessories will be made to look like dildos and have names like "the ticklemaster rabbit 3000."Add to this the requirement that high-capacity magazines be renamed "handicap magazines" with big wheelchair logos printed on them, and you'll probably get all the ITGs to take up bowling instead. People who really do view a rifle as a tool, like a shovel, will just shrug whatever: this year's shovel is blue, last year's was yellow, and when I'm clearing my driveway at 6AM I couldn't give half a crap whether the shovel is pink with ponies on it.
GUTSU: Keizer_Ghidorah: GUTSU:At least they're not neon pink. I also find it amusing that two of them have guns nearly as big as they are.True, at least they aren't completely tasteless.
onyxruby: Uranus Is Huge!: I'm in favor of regulating the shiat out of firearms manufacturers to the point of making them almost impossible to operate and simultaneously jacking up tariffs on foreign firearms. They do it to abortion clinics in the name of safety. All remaining firearms are registered to an owner who assumes liability for any damage or crime tied to their weapons. Mandatory 40 hours of weapons safety training. All 40 hours of this training occur in a classroom.Explain to me the constitutional conflict. Difficulty: I have proposed no bans. I have no interest in tired slippery slopes.All you have to do is swap 'printing' for 'gun' to see the absurdity of your statement. You do realize printing presses required licenses before the revolutionary war, right?
TheJoe03: gimmegimme: First, they came for the Big Gulps and I said nothing because I don't need that much soda. Then they came for the Snickers bars and I said nothing because I try not to each that much chocolate. Then they came for the handguns and there was no one to speak up for me.Well Whidbey didn't answer the question, so I'll ask you, does a Big Gulp ban actually reduce obesity or is it window dressing? I'm obviously comparing that to banning assault weapons and the type of politicians that make these laws.
whidbey: TheJoe03: The same people banning Big Gulp's are the same people trying to ban assault weapons, so it's clear the laws are going to be pointless and ineffectiveOh how horrible. No more Big Gulps.Give me a break.
CADMonkey79: there have been multiple posters making valid arguments on both sides.
TheJoe03: Two wrongs making a right isn't always the best justification.
TheJoe03: Xcott: I thought that was supposed to be an unconstitutional communist power grab by the executive branch.I don't think enforcing already existing laws is a bad thing and it's a lot better than politicians pushing pointless new laws because of a tragedy.
TheJoe03: Maybe you are the issue here, your tone does not welcome "honest and intelligent" debate.
Amos Quito: gimmegimme: Amos Quito: gimmegimme: Looking at an unloaded machine gun isn't scary. Walking into a Wal-Mart and seeing some random wingnut packing an assault rifle IS scary.[libertylinked.com image 600x446]Only because you're not used to it,Where is that, Somalia? Libya?The Promised Land.
gimmegimme: No, people want to ban certain firearms because they have the potential to cause a vast amount of carnage in a short amount of time. Looking at an unloaded machine gun isn't scary. Walking into a Wal-Mart and seeing some random wingnut packing an assault rifle IS scary. (Particularly in light of the fact that even people at gun shows can't prevent accidental discharge.)
Amos Quito: gimmegimme: Looking at an unloaded machine gun isn't scary. Walking into a Wal-Mart and seeing some random wingnut packing an assault rifle IS scary.[libertylinked.com image 600x446]Only because you're not used to it,
Amos Quito: Total number of homicides committed with rifles in 2011: 323 (This would include but is not limited to "Assault Rifles")Compare to:Knives or cutting instruments: 1,694Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc): 496Personal weapons (hands, feet, etc): 726In spite of the emotionally hyped recent events, knives, blunt objects and HANDS AND FEET have all proven to be FAR more deadly than all rifles.
GUTSU: Getting rid of poverty
Alonjar: gimmegimme: This is pretty cool, too.Oh, and this one is good.EnjoyYou know, you're right. We should pass a law stating that you shouldnt allow 8 year olds to fire fully automatic uzi's.I dont think you'll get much opposition.
Alonjar: There are over 2 million home invasion/burglaries commited in the United States every year
BraveNewCheneyWorld: gimmegimme: Whoa, chill, daddy-o. I'm just amused by conservatives who only want to follow the rules when it suits them. (Or before they've had a chance to rig them.)Yeah, I'm so conservative that wanted Bush and Cheney thrown in jail. Did you notice my name? Ever read a book? Jesus man, way to derp!
Amos Quito: It is a proven fact that people with testicles commit far more crimes in all categories that those who are without.
Fart_Machine: Amos Quito: cryinoutloud: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Amos Quito: Now, would someone kindly explain the "logic" behind the push for banning "Assault Weapons"?There is none. Not a single person has presented a reasoned argument for any kind of ban on assault weapons. And I don't just mean on fark, I mean anywhere. Every single argument is founded in emotionalism.Explain the logic behind why anyone needs to own one. And no, "defending myself against the government" isn't a good reason, unless you live in some fantasy land.and "because I want one" isn't good enough either. Greed isn't logical. It's an emotion.No one needs testicles either.Testicles demonstrably cause more crime than any other factor. With modern technology, your 'nads can be removed, and the genetic material stored for reproductive use (IF you meet government established genetic criteria, of course).Now, give me one logical reason why you be allowed to keep your balls.and "because I want to" isn't good enough either. Selfishness isn't logical. It's an emotion.You know equating your balls with firearms doesn't really help your case
BraveNewCheneyWorld: I usually go with the alcohol comparison because as your side likes to claim, guns have no "valid use" alcohol cannot be argued to have a "valid use", and it's far, far more deadly, racking up an annual death toll of 80,000 people. Strange that so many people suddenly care so deeply about life in the past month and a half, and these very people really couldn't give a shiat to prioritize their efforts based on what's killing people the fastest. It's almost as if protecting life really isn't their goal, and banning a relatively harmless, but scary looking object is.I don't think regulation equates abolition, but it's absolutely unconstitutional. You can't skip "shall not be infringed", no matter how much you'd like to. Any infringement is necessarily unconstitutional. And the fact that you disagree is exactly why you think the bill of rights is just a goddamn piece of paper, so no, that wasn't a strawman, that really is the central point of your position, and why you're wrong.
Alonjar: The Name: That hunk of metal is just as important to you as your protection against unlawful search and seizure?The hunk of metal is what prevents LEO's from conducting unlawful search and seizures whenever they please.You should see how much more polite cops are after they are informed that I am armed.
BraveNewCheneyWorld: whidbey: And yeah, it's time to get serious about gun regulation. Derping that it's un-Consitutiuonal to regulate firearms because you have an absolute "right" to use them isn't going to stop it. It's out there now.Maybe your side should quit derping that the bill of rights is just a goddamn piece of paper. If you want to change it, go ahead and try.. legally. But don't expect anyone to abide by a law that circumvents the constitution. You need 2/3 majority in both the house and the senate to get it proposed, then you need it ratified in 75% of state legislatures. Until you get that done, gun control advocates get NOTHING.
Amos Quito: cryinoutloud: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Amos Quito: Now, would someone kindly explain the "logic" behind the push for banning "Assault Weapons"?There is none. Not a single person has presented a reasoned argument for any kind of ban on assault weapons. And I don't just mean on fark, I mean anywhere. Every single argument is founded in emotionalism.Explain the logic behind why anyone needs to own one. And no, "defending myself against the government" isn't a good reason, unless you live in some fantasy land.and "because I want one" isn't good enough either. Greed isn't logical. It's an emotion.No one needs testicles either.Testicles demonstrably cause more crime than any other factor. With modern technology, your 'nads can be removed, and the genetic material stored for reproductive use (IF you meet government established genetic criteria, of course).Now, give me one logical reason why you be allowed to keep your balls.and "because I want to" isn't good enough either. Selfishness isn't logical. It's an emotion.
Alonjar: lul wut?
CADMonkey79: Do you just sit in your house and worry about all the scary guns out there?,
CADMonkey79: The US is a one of a kind culture
Alonjar: You should see how much more polite cops are after they are informed that I am armed.
doglover: Do you not get the part where gay marriage and gun ownership are on the same side of coin called rights? Do you not see your own hypocrisy by saying "These rights I want are good. These rights I don't want are bad." and then criticizing the other guys for doing the same but disagreeing with you?
Lionel Mandrake: Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don't trivialize gun cultureYeah, that's Ted's job![encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 199x254]
Stone Meadow: How about the CPD concentrate its resources on policing those areas and getting criminals off the streets?
doglover: What we really need is a modern Andrew Jackson.
Amos Quito: So if "Assault WeaponsTM" are actually a minor threat to public safety, there must be some OTHER reason that the gun-grabbers want these weapons taken from the hands of the public, right?
coeyagi: Stone Meadow: Uranus Is Huge!: I bet if we flooded our violent crime-ridden inner cities with more guns, there would be less crime.More guns = less crime, right?Yes, pretty much.[geekpolitics.com image 250x295]Wow, someone needs to read Freakonomics and stop thinking correlation = causation.Again, i can't stress this enough, you EPICLY FAILED.
heypete: Uranus Is Huge!: I bet if we flooded our violent crime-ridden inner cities with more guns, there would be less crime.Why not address the problem of there existing a violent crime-ridden inner city by working to reduce the factors that contribute to such crime (poverty, drug trafficking, gangs, etc.) rather than trying to pass more laws that would only affect law-abiding people?Away from areas with "hotspots" of violent crime (like DC, New Orleans, Detroit, Chicago, etc.), violent crime rates in the country are quite low and seem to not have any correlation with the presence or absence of firearms available to the general public.
adragontattoo: Uncle Tractor: Enemabag Jones: A gun without bullets may be pretty useless, but putting holes in paper is plenty different then the emotional or practical reality of putting holes in a person at a random moment in life.What a tool made for putting holes in paper might look like:[upload.wikimedia.org image 548x480]What a tool made for killing might look like:[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x425]It might be worth pointing out that guns made for hunting (for putting food in your fridge) are not the same as those made for killing people.Do tell me what exactly is the difference between the two?How is THIS[www.smith-wesson.com image 475x333]Different from[www.mossberg.com image 850x240]
vernonFL: Every time I've been to a gun range, most of the people there are either current or former law enforcement or military.
Dafodude: Uranus Is Huge!: I think it's wrong to trivialize mental illness.Good. Now how does that apply to the issue at hand?
LasersHurt: onyxruby: Mrtraveler01: So all that being said, why aren't Background Checks unconstitutional then if they are an infringement on 2nd Amendment rights?Because they are looking for felons that have by definition lost their rights, therefore the 2nd amendment doesn't apply. If your read my other writing you'll also find that I'm pretty outspoken about the mentally ill on this issue as well.How would you like to diagnose and manage this prohibition to the Mentally Ill?
hasty ambush: JRoo: hasty ambush:Using children to further your political goals?I've been told that's like something Obama and Hitler would do.You mean like taking guns
abhorrent1: These guns are the same, functionally.[i184.photobucket.com image 502x393]Can someone please explain to me why the one on top one is okay but the bottom one is the boogie man?
letrole: unamused: What about a valid driver license and a background check to vote? We have already established that a right can be restricted by a background check. Everyone should have to pass NICS to vote.Equal rights.False Equivalence. Voting is not a Right. Voting is a Privilige.
Mrtraveler01: Or tax breaks for that competitors might not get and would only benefit their particular industry (because they're so special and all)....oh wait...that wasn't what you meant huh?
Mrtraveler01: onyxruby: If guns are licensed than your rights are being denied.What about permits?
unamused: For the record I am pro choice, and I think we need to get gummint out of the marriage business. It is unconstitutional for the government to require a license for a church to practice its religion and consecrate a marriage.
unamused: Clinton is trying to tell you idiots how not to be seen as enemies of the Constitution.
cowgirl toffee: Today's Gun Culture has its own magazine.
unamused: doglover: violentsalvation: The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy? Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.He knows as good as anyone how that crap swayed the midterms. He knows it was a useless law, and it cost them a bunch of (D) seats.And people will post some Washington Post opinion piece about how that isn't a concern anymore.. Uh huh. Wait and see, you're giving the GOP CPR with every gun control speech.This is the big thing for me. I HATE the GOP as a rule, but it I will have to vote Republican to keep guns around (and no bolt action .22 long rifles with 5 round magazines aren't the guns I'm talking about) I'll do it. The Democrats only get my vote because they've had slightly better policies for me thus far. This is rapidly becoming not the case.THIS
log_jammin: Hetfield: "Gun culture" is a pretty depressing term.it's slightly better than "cracker culture".
The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy? Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.
Babwa Wawa: doglover: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person living being in order to incapacitate or kill them.Does that work for you?
vernonFL: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person in order to incapacitate or kill them.
violentsalvation: Same with airplanes, I guess.
vernonFL: Let me quote Lynrd SkynrdHand guns are made for killin'Ain't no good for nothin' else
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