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(Huffington Post)   The Return of the Blacklist: Has-beens Ed Asner, Martin Sheen want Oscar boycott for 'Zero Dark Thirty'   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2013-01-19 04:35:12 PM  
7 votes:
Given that these same people gave Moore an Oscar for Bowling for Columbine, this stupidity does not surprise me.
2013-01-19 04:41:34 PM  
5 votes:
The boat they missed was bigger than the Titanic.

The movie doesn't endorse torture; it merely gives a realistic depiction of tort, er, enhanced interrogation techniques which were used by the CIA and other intelligence agencies but it does not claim that they led to any meaningful information on the identity of "the courier."

I wonder how Asner, Sheen, et al reacted to demands for boycotts of movies, plays, and programs they supported?
2013-01-19 04:38:56 PM  
4 votes:
Isn't a big part of making of great movie challenging the viewer? Sometimes art has take people out of their comfort zones and challenge their perceptions. If they don't understand this, they are as bad as conservatives that want to take us back to the 50s culturally.
2013-01-19 05:03:12 PM  
3 votes:
If you didn't watch the movie, you might walk away with the idea that the torture might have been glorified or airbrushed to look more acceptable.

Far from it.

I watched the movie and those bits were incredibly uncomfortable to watch, even knowing that they were depictions and not actual torture.

The movie goes on to explain that not only did the torture fail to yield up any usable information, but that it was a combination of guile and compassionate treatment that actually turned up useful information from the tortured man.

Whether or not the movie deserves an Oscar is beyond me. I don't much care about the opinions of movie savants, either way. I do know that the movie was a meandering mess at times, but that they managed to make me care about people that did very bad things to people who may or may not have deserved it.

That deserves something. Condemnation or accolades. I can't decide which.
2013-01-19 04:36:34 PM  
3 votes:
How about no Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty because it was a crappy and undeserving movie? That a good enough reason?
2013-01-19 05:31:01 PM  
2 votes:
Zero Dark Thirty probably won't snag Best Picture because Kathryn Bigelow didn't get a Best Director nod.

That's a PROBABLY, now. Generally, you don't win Best Picture if your movie didn't get a Best Director nomination, but it *has* happened (see Driving Miss Daisy).

Perhaps a better barometer is the Best Editing category. If your film doesn't get a Best Editing nomination, you don't win Best Picture. It's that simple. You don't have to *win* Best Editing, but without a nomination there, your odds look really, really bad. (And Zero Dark Thirty *does* have a Best Editing nomination).

All that to say this: I don't think it will win. Lincoln seems like the sure thing at this point, with Argo as a possible dark horse pick due to the snubbing of Affleck.
2013-01-19 05:22:11 PM  
2 votes:

Mr.Man: I fail to see why this is oscar worthy when it's nothing more than a documentization of events.Where is the "creative genius" here? It doesn't take a mastermind director to make what was already a real life nailbiter into a thrilling story.

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2013-01-19 04:40:36 PM  
2 votes:
Long story short, Martin Sheen and Ed Asner can act but aren't terribly bright? Fark keeping up with it's tradition of Not News.
2013-01-19 04:35:09 PM  
2 votes:
Just like I've been telling everyone: it's a great movie, I fail to see how it's Oscar worthy, compared to the others that are currently up for grabs.
/Currently, the best response is "Hollywood Politics."
2013-01-19 06:44:25 PM  
1 vote:
The problem people have with this movie is that it is a glorified propaganda film about shady interrogation methods under the guise of a 'true story'. This open letter to Bigelow by Naom Wolf says it better than I could.

2013-01-19 05:38:11 PM  
1 vote:

coco ebert: No chance for Les Miz?

Without nominations for Best Director and Best Editing (or Adapted Screenplay, even), it looks very unlikely. I could be wrong, but just going by Oscar history, I wouldn't count on it.

I think that Best Supporting Actress for Anne Hathaway (and maybe a technical award here or there) will be the film's consolation prize.
2013-01-19 05:32:35 PM  
1 vote:
I hope the Academy trolls the hell out of everyone and gives Best Picture to Django.

/imagine the outrage
2013-01-19 05:28:29 PM  
1 vote:

I'm not sure what those critics are referring to. In the movie, they only get information about the courier 'after' they discontinue using torture and use humane treatment and a bit of lying to get him to believe that he'd broken down and told them stuff due to sleep deprivation.

Sounds like a subtle "moral of the story" there. Torture didn't work. Being sane did
2013-01-19 05:27:28 PM  
1 vote:
Honestly, I'd rather hear why from the people who want to boycott the movie, not the whiny farks who wrote this utterly pointless article.
2013-01-19 05:19:04 PM  
1 vote:

WippitGuud: Ed Asner isn't dead?

He was gone but...

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2013-01-19 05:19:01 PM  
1 vote:
I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.
2013-01-19 05:18:58 PM  
1 vote:
torture works well (just ask the french underground, the gulf war british special forces unit bravo two zero, or the FLN), but it is also completely incompatible with the values this nation claims to hold dear and erodes the foundation this country was built upon.
people who claim torture doesn't work lie to the american public because they themselves are the type that believe the ends justify the means, and are incapable of grasping that the vast majority of the american public is able to understand something can be very effective, but at the same time not even close to worth the cost.
2013-01-19 05:09:00 PM  
1 vote:

ReapTheChaos: "We expect actors as talented and esteemed as Martin Sheen, Ed Asner, and David Clennon"

Talented and esteemed? Sheen had one good movie, Apocalypse Now, what has Asner done in the last 20 years? JFK? As for Clennon, who the fark is that?


Little movie called "UP."
2013-01-19 04:58:54 PM  
1 vote:

WippitGuud: Ed Asner isn't dead?

You win.
2013-01-19 04:52:51 PM  
1 vote:
I don't know if it's a good movie or not, but I hate it for how many people seem to treat it as factual.
2013-01-19 04:52:31 PM  
1 vote:
Asner would have everyone to the right of Lenin put against a wall and shot, if he could.
2013-01-19 04:51:35 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-01-19 04:51:07 PM  
1 vote:
Why does America consider famous actors more legitimate political figures than, say, anyone not trained to evoke a fictional character?

Wait, I know the answer.
2013-01-19 04:48:19 PM  
1 vote:
The Zero Dark Thirty producers are making a big mistake by sending out waterboarding home kits along with the movie viewers. That's just not going to leave the right impression.
2013-01-19 04:42:31 PM  
1 vote:
People who worry about which movie gets an Oscar need to find better things to worry about.
Like bellybutton lint, for instance...
2013-01-19 04:40:49 PM  
1 vote:
I haven't seen it, but I thought the movie did an excellent job in combatting stereotypes about our men and women in uniform and how they conduct the business of ensuring our liberty. Freedom isn't free and I fail to see how keeping a couple of towelheads from getting thirsty is too large a price to pay. If this movie wins enough prizes at the Golden Globes awards then it should send a real message to Hollyweird that the rest of us are sick of their softheaded lies.
2013-01-19 04:40:25 PM  
1 vote:
It's easy to be an activist for denial.
2013-01-19 04:33:55 PM  
1 vote:
I found that article to be very well thought out and written.

/Skimmed it (TLDNR)
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