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6897 clicks; posted to Geek » on 18 Jan 2013 at 10:45 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-01-18 10:45:31 AM  
2 votes:
This is what happens when you try to break the unions. You undermine your knowledge base and behold -a (semi) flying turd.
2013-01-18 04:33:25 PM  
1 vote:
I suddenly feel alone, so very alone....
2013-01-18 04:32:11 PM  
1 vote:
So, if Boeing reduces the passenger capacity of the plane by ONE, and substitutes a large, heavy, safe, lead acid gel cell pack for their super-duper Li-ion lightweight, compact battery pack, they'll be good to go, right?
2013-01-18 04:10:32 PM  
1 vote:

Khellendros: Phil Moskowitz: Khellendros: Much of their production/manufacturing staff is unionized, but I don't think a significant percentage of their engineers are unionized.

I'm sure that was supposed to mean something.

Read the first half of the thread - there are a lot of people who don't understand the difference between manufacturing and engineering, and which part is unionized at Boeing. They play radically different parts in the process of getting a new plane up and running, as well as who's to blame if something catches on fire or cracks.

They're both unionized. The professional and technical bargaining unit is SPEEA, the manufacturing is IAM -- except in SC. As for the overheating batteries, the contract for those batteries was outsourced to GS Yuasa Corp. and the charging management system was outsourced to Thales. GS Yuasa outsourced their procurement of lithium ion cells to multiple third parties. All Boeing did was provide technical specifications for both systems. If it was a charging system problem, it probably would have come up during flight test. At this point it seems more likely to be counterfeit/faulty battery cells from one of Yuasa's suppliers.
2013-01-18 11:53:22 AM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: Kraftwerk Orange: Ok... So change that to the planes assembled in Washington by Union Labor are the ones having problems, while the planes assembled using non-Union labor in South Carolina are fine (for now, that could certainly change).

You seem to be dim... on the issue

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/15/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110 21 5

"The airliner is billions of dollars over budget and about three years late. Much of the blame belongs to the company's farming out work to suppliers around the nation and in foreign countries."

RTFA Prior to this Boeing was "insourcing" after a machinist strike they outsourced to get around those pesky little Union workers.

The issue really isn't that hard to grasp -so what's your problem. Are you reality challenged?

So, workers in the US, who are all very much aware that their jobs could be outsourced at any time, get this work from Boeing and promptly go on strike? Sounds like they deserved to have their jobs shipped overseas.
2013-01-18 11:03:45 AM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: This is what happens when you try to break the unions. You undermine your knowledge base and behold -a (semi) flying turd.

Electrical engineers are unionized?
Who knew?

So...are you saying

A) that trying to 'bust the union' caused electrical engineers to make a faulty design to be used in a passenger airline as a way of getting back at the company?


B) that the company MADE the engineers use a faulty design in a passenger airline and none of the unionized engineers went public with this information?


C) are you just running your mouth - so to speak?
2013-01-18 11:02:13 AM  
1 vote:
I guess Boeing is taking a page from PC game companies by letting their customers do the testing.
2013-01-18 10:58:11 AM  
1 vote:
It sounds like they needed a longer prototype phase to me. They need to do more than just make sure the wings can handle several thousand loop-de-loops. The electrical system needs to be proven to work all the time, every time in all conditions.
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