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(Fox News)   The sun will nuke us this year EVERYBODY PANIC   ( divider line
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9084 clicks; posted to Main » on 15 Jan 2013 at 9:48 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-01-15 10:15:02 AM  
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borg: The 1859 Carrington Event If this happened to day we'd be farked.

Such an event this year is very unlikely, as solar cycle 24 is on track to be the weakest since the Dalton Minimum a couple centuries ago, when North America experienced several decades of colder than normal weather. Here is the current NOAA Cycle 24 progress report.

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And here is how the current cycle aligns with the solar cycles leading into the Dalton Minimum. Notice the peak of 24 hit about compare that to the graph...brrr!

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This will take a couple more decades to play out, but it will be fun to watch. Stay warm, friends!
2013-01-15 04:47:57 PM  
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namatad: Stone Meadow: This will take a couple more decades to play out, but it will be fun to watch. Stay warm, friends!

HOLY CRAP batman
those are some awesome charts I havent seen. seriously.

To grossly simplify, there are two main schools of thought wrt the principal driver for global climate change: anthropogenic CO2 driven, and physical process (solar activity, orbital precession, decadal polar atmospheric and ocean current cycles, etc.) driven.

Short version: the anthropogenic CO2 school thinks the CO2 we humans are putting in the atmosphere is driving the global warming seen over the past couple of centuries, and that we should take action to reverse that trend.

The physical processes school acknowledges that CO2 plays a minority rule, but argue that physical processes play an overwhelmingly dominant role, and that drastic measure to lower anthropogenic CO2 will not materially impact climate change, but will devastate human economies. They point to the observed correlation between such physical processes as sunspot numbers and surface temps records:

You'll have to do a little mental gymnastics to see the patterns, but once you do they are striking...

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Essentially, the great the sun activity (using sunspots as a proxy) the warmer climate Earth experiences, and vice versa. The complete picture is more complex than that, of course, but for the past century the sun has had a series of active, short solar cycles, while Earth has enjoyed (?) ever warmer climate.

A couple of cycles ago that pattern appeared to change, shifting to longer cycles exhibiting less solar activity. The present cycle (the 24th since counting began ~400 years ago) is crashing to levels not seen since the little ice age, which ended two centuries ago. If the past patterns hold true the Earth will see cooler temps (not necessarily another 'little ice age') for the next few decades.

strange, I also just read that global warming was on a pause the last decade.
but I was also told that the sun had nothing to do with global warming, that it was all man made CO2

Yes, anthropogenic CO2 continues to climb relentlessly, but the rise in surface temps has flatlined, or even declined slightly. If CO2 was driving temperature I wonder how we could see a decade long divergence of the two.

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2013-01-15 10:29:33 AM  
1 vote:
Look on the bright side, it'll mean more jobs to fix everything.
2013-01-15 10:17:24 AM  
1 vote:
But don't worry!
The Martian seed colony can come back to Earth
to repopulate the planet after the devastation!
If the one trillion dollar platinum coin is approved first...
2013-01-15 09:55:38 AM  
1 vote:
Come on 6 meters!!!! Woot!!!!
2013-01-15 09:54:51 AM  
1 vote:
I would take them more seriously if they added probability numbers. like "theres a 1 in 20 chance". But no, real FUD articles need that vagueness so people will assume its more likely then not.

That being any gamer knows...every now and then you DO roll a 20.
2013-01-15 09:52:33 AM  
1 vote:
The Sun...and FOX News.
Experts at feeding us fear, uncertainty and doubt.
2013-01-15 09:50:05 AM  
1 vote:
ole' FUX News, keeping the Fear strong!
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