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2013-01-03 02:35:34 PM  

cynicalMFer: Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.

Seriously, if any of y'all are reading this --the next time you want to go protest for a goo cause or to show solidarity orr whatever else .. don't. Just don't. When an otherwise-peaceful event turns violent because your buddy threw a brick at a cop then YOU'RE NOT HELPING. All you're doing is turning public opinion against you and giving the powers-that-be an excuse to clamp down harder in the future .. and we don't need to give them an excuse.

Please, just stay home and if you wanna smash things break your own shiat for a change.

I'm torn between thinking that these are just idiots who want to smash stuff and don't think their cunning plans all the way through or they are undercover infiltrators that are purposely trying to give the protestors a bad name.

/what's wrong with me?
2013-01-03 02:47:06 PM  
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Makes you realize Portlandia isn't a satire, it's a documentary.
2013-01-03 03:35:21 PM  
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Did someone say "arson investigation"?
2013-01-03 08:08:11 PM  
That pretty much describes the WTO protest in Seattle some years ago when I was there. Some people just don't think.

Millions of people would never have heard of the WTO if it wasn't for that. The events of that week were an embarassment to the neoliberals- the talks collapsed and the WTO still hasn't recovered. I wouldn't say that could be directly attributed to the property damage and police riot (which started earlier, during the pacifist 'human wall' blockade- the police tried clearing intersections with mass arrests, pepper-spraying groups of people who were sitting down, random beatings, even using q-tips to swab pepper spray under people's eyelids... you know, standard operating procedure), but it certainly helped smear feces on the WTO brand in general.

I have a (slightly) similar complaint about the Palestinian protestors in DC. Not that they're in any way violent; just that they show up to join any protest, regardless of the cause, and try to act like it's about them. They'll march along with the others, but wave signs about their own cause. If it's a pro-choice or pro-life protest, NO, you are not part of it. You can stand at the side and do your own thing, but you cannot pretend a NORML smoke-in or teabagger torch-wielding mob is about you. It's NOT.

I strongly suspect that a lot of the Palestine solidary stuff is a plot by Communist parties to trick people into joining. "Oh, you support that? Well then surely you support the Palestinian people. Here, have a pamphlet and a newspaper and come to this talk about why only The One True Revolution can save them. And give us your money."

I'm torn between thinking that these are just idiots who want to smash stuff and don't think their cunning plans all the way through or they are undercover infiltrators that are purposely trying to give the protestors a bad name.

/what's wrong with me?

Not much, IMO.
I've been trying for years to figure out the thought process of the 'insurrectionist' tendency, but I have to conclude that it boils down to "shiat's farked, let's break things." I'm pretty sure that if I said that to their faces they would nod and murmur assent rather than get mad.

There's something to their thinking, but they're not willing to do the work to make it really happen. For example one aspect is this idea of "rupture" where all the farked-up shiat in society, the economy, politics, just comes to a head (in part pushed by cracking the Spectacle by smashing storefronts, banks, and government buildings, since the Spectacle relies on maintaining an illusion of being all-encompassing and invincible- the 'broken windows theory' in reverse), and everyone's had enough and you have situations like Egypt and Wisconsin in 2011 (or Eastern Europe in 1989 or everywhere in 1968 or 1919 or 1848 or...) where the old order is swept away and everyone meets in the street. But they were there (in Wisconsin) and despite the situation clearly being a rupture they had no plan, no organization, no way of taking decisive action, nothing. At least they were smart enough to realize breaking windows at random bougie stores would have been a bad idea.

What they don't understand (or don't want to do the work to create) is that you can have a rupture, sure, but to avoid returning to an even more farked-up version of what's been going on requires organization. Unions, community organizations, solidarity societies, etc. That takes time and it takes work, the kind of work whose main purpose is to prove that you're capable of doing kick-ass things under shiatty conditions. It's not easy and it might not even be fun (although it can be!). But that's how to build skills and organization and inspire others to do the same so that when the next rupture happens something good can happen (instead of the capture by political parties of the wave of 2011, the recuperation of 1968, the betrayals of 1919, the utter failure of 1848...).

Maybe breaking windows and half-assedly rioting is a good idea, I don't know (although I do loves me that riot porn); but they're not doing the organizing work and that's really all that matters. So instead we get to spend all this time and money and energy bailing out our friends and doing prisoner support, which is great for bringing Anarchists together, but only as Anarchists rather than as members of the community.

2013-01-04 04:23:01 PM  

RanDomino: IlGreven
/The vigilantes were more anarchist than the Wobblies.

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Did you even read the farking Wikipedia article?
2013-01-04 05:50:35 PM  
Did you even read the farking Wikipedia article?

Of course the murderers and tyrants were the real anarchists, because anarchists just want to murder and destroy. obviously. yep, that's what it boils down to. anyone who does those things must be an anarchist.
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