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(AP)   News: The State Department has issued a updated travel advisory for Haiti, warning Americans planning to travel to the Caribbean island nation about robbery, lawlessness and infectious disease. Other News: Americans are still traveling to Haiti   ( hosted.ap.org) divider line
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2012-12-30 04:57:08 PM  
2 votes:

Jake Havechek: Rush Limbaugh goes next door, where he can fark young boys with impunity.

Fark is not the dumping ground for your masturbatory fantasies. Try a fanfiction site.
2012-12-30 01:14:23 PM  
2 votes:
Still the best place to buy a zombie.
2012-12-31 11:26:40 AM  
1 vote:
Haiti's been farked in many ways, both intentional (when they were the first black-ruled country in the world, absolutely no country would support them), and unintentional (their exposure to hurricanes, their volcanic soil, which is very hard to farm, as opposed to the fertile soil on the DR side of the island).

Not sure the solution to the seemingly intractable problems. But the blame, like that in many impoverished corrupt nations, lies only partly on the western/colonizing nations, and would be very difficult to fix.

"Throwing money at the problem" hasn't exactly worked in most situations, although investing money towards developing industries does seem to have some promise (see china's involvement in africa right now for example).

Ultimately it's up to the haitians to find solutions for the many issues they face. Handouts and benign paternalism is certainly not gonna get us or them anywhere.
2012-12-31 05:30:48 AM  
1 vote:

LOL. Apologize for much colonialism, much?

Cliché much, much?

You might have a good point buried under that trying-too-hard, teeny-bopper babble.
2012-12-30 08:45:37 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: And of course, no one wants to address how we caused the kind of 3rd world squalor found in Haiti and have done nothing to alleviate its miserable social-economic conditions...

So, exactly how much money have you sent to Haiti in order to aid their miserable "social-economic" conditions?

/the word is "socioeconomic", dumbass
2012-12-30 07:08:59 PM  
1 vote:

ThrobblefootSpectre: whidbey: but I wouldn't mind seeing a link.

BTW, many economists in African nations have been begging us for the same thing for decades.

2012-12-30 06:10:57 PM  
1 vote:

homelessdude: Nothing To See Here: Still safer than Chicago.

Not really......

Study: Violent Crime Has Spiked in Haiti's Cities
By Trenton Daniel
Associated Press
Posted: 03/06/2012

UNODC: Intentional homicide, count and rate per 100,000 population (1995 - 2011) (146k XLS download)

CPD: YTD City Wide Crime Statistics (pdf)

Chicago Metro Area Population: around 9.5 million
Haiti Population (total): around 10.2 million

No doubt, Chitown is no walk in the park, especially in certain neighborhoods. However, the homicide rate per 100k is far lower as well as the overall number of homicides. Not that the statistic is anything to be proud of, but saying Haiti is safer is just false.

From your link:

"Haiti's capital saw 60.9 murders per 100,000 residents over the year leading up to February 2012 " [...]  "In comparison, New York City's homicide rate was less than 7 per 100,000 in 2011, while Oakland, California, had 23 homicides per 100,000 residents."

And the Haitians manage to do all this while being sorely deprived of access to firearms:

"Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population -  The rate of private gun ownership in Haiti is 0.62 firearms per 100 people"
Say what you will about those Haitians, but when it comes to murder, they're clever and resourceful.
2012-12-30 05:36:20 PM  
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whidbey: And of course, no one wants to address how we caused the kind of 3rd world squalor found in Haiti and have done nothing to alleviate its miserable social-economic conditions so we don't have these passive-aggressive "warnings" about visiting the country in the first place. .

"We" caused Haiti's "3rd world squalor"  ?

Who is "we", and how exactly did "we" do that, pray tell?

Better still, what's your recipe for "fixing" said "3rd world squalor" ?
2012-12-30 05:18:23 PM  
1 vote:
Any place that you need several injections in order to safely visit is off my list.
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