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(Apple Insider)   I don't want to say civilization is about to collapse, sending human progress back hundreds of years, but Apple's just applied for a patent on a better windmill   ( appleinsider.com) divider line
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2214 clicks; posted to Geek » on 28 Dec 2012 at 9:38 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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Notabunny
2012-12-28 01:28:03 AM  
iWind?

Pardon me.
 
MaudlinMutantMollusk [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2012-12-28 01:34:19 AM  
iYiyi
 
Elvis_Bogart
2012-12-28 01:36:14 AM  
Oh hell...are they going to patent the wind, too?
 
Notabunny
2012-12-28 01:44:03 AM  
fta ...the filing proposes a system that converts rotational energy from the turbine into heat, which is then stored in a "low-heat-capacity" fluid. From storage, heat can be selectively transferred to a "working fluid" that is used to generate electricity during lulls in wind activity.

That's a pretty neat idea.
 
ecmoRandomNumbers [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 01:45:48 AM  
Seems like a pretty quixotic endeavor to me.
 
AverageAmericanGuy [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 01:48:05 AM  
So if you invent something while working at Apple, they're going to keep the patent?
 
gopher321 [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 02:31:59 AM  
In some embodiments, heat is generated from the friction created between blades connected to the rotor shaft and the low-heat-capacity fluid, such as mercury, ethanol or an inert gas, in which they are immersed.

Oh, that's just lovely.
 
Speaker2Animals [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 04:51:20 AM  

Notabunny: fta ...the filing proposes a system that converts rotational energy from the turbine into heat, which is then stored in a "low-heat-capacity" fluid. From storage, heat can be selectively transferred to a "working fluid" that is used to generate electricity during lulls in wind activity.

That's a pretty neat idea.


Exactly.
 
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 09:21:20 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Seems like a pretty quixotic endeavor to me.


I would say someone is dreaming the impossible dream.
 
BumpInTheNight
2012-12-28 09:41:07 AM  
Why patent this? For the lullz!
 
Theaetetus
2012-12-28 09:44:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So if you invent something while working at Apple, they're going to keep the patent?


This is probably related to their green data center initiatives, not some engineer's hobby project.
 
t3knomanser
2012-12-28 09:45:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So if you invent something while working at Apple, they're going to keep the patent?


Yes. That's a pretty standard agreement with many companies. Hell, I had a friend who used to work at the counter at Radio Shack, and he had to sign an agreement promising to give them patents on anything he invented while employed there. Of course, I'm ancient, so this was when Radio Shack still sold electronics components.
 
ongbok
2012-12-28 09:55:10 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So if you invent something while working at Apple, they're going to keep the patent?


Yep. That's pretty much how it works. IBM is rich, not all of the egg heads that worked there.
 
Grapple
2012-12-28 10:01:45 AM  
Dulcinea!
 
Lanadapter
2012-12-28 10:11:06 AM  
Neat as that is you'll have to jailbreak your wall outlet to charge your android phone with it.
 
ck1938
2012-12-28 10:14:32 AM  
I've seen some similar designs over the past few years. The medium here is a bit different but the storage of heat that is later used to generate steam is consistent with those other designs. It seems like a workable concept that could make wind technology more viable and competitive. Cue outraged environmentalists and deranged leftists to begin marching and protesting as soon as they can fabricate a straw man to vilify.
 
Hollie Maea
2012-12-28 10:23:17 AM  
No, they patented a different windmill, not a better one. You have to have a really good reason to want to store your energy in the form of heat, which is the "lowest" grade of energy and necessarily requires massive inefficiencies to transfer it back to work or electricity.
 
cgraves67
2012-12-28 10:32:48 AM  
I read that as treadmill at first. That would be kind of interesting. Download apps, movies, and music to your treadmill. Hike your favorite trail with your iphone then upload the altitude change rates into the treadmill to mimic the trail.
 
Nemo's Brother
2012-12-28 10:44:03 AM  
Apple had to wait for liberal hypocrite Ted Kennedy to die before wind energy could truly be a viable energy solution.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2006/04/30/Kennedy-tries-to-block-Cape-Co d -wind-farm/UPI-49571146434349/
 
TheNewJesus
2012-12-28 10:44:53 AM  
Great, more overpriced hardware that will require an iTunes account in order to buy your "light app"

/work in wind energy
 
BumpInTheNight
2012-12-28 10:48:08 AM  
iFans' farts aren't just for smelling anymore!
 
SN1987a goes boom
2012-12-28 10:57:38 AM  
iDragon, because Apple fans are delusional internet knights.
 
SnarfVader
2012-12-28 11:04:00 AM  
i212.photobucket.comView Full Size


/Impressed.
//Will still denounce Apple in 10 turns.
 
cgraves67
2012-12-28 11:06:24 AM  

SnarfVader: /Impressed.
//Will still denounce Apple in 10 turns.


And he's massing Sea Beggars off the coast of California. No good can come of this.
 
jbtilley
2012-12-28 11:24:25 AM  
It's so they can sue hard drive, optical drive, and active fan based cooling manufactures under their new "things that spin" patent.
 
LasersHurt
2012-12-28 11:42:16 AM  
This is a pretty neat idea. I have no idea why it's coming out of Apple, but it's still cool. Haters gonna hate.
 
Speaker2Animals [TotalFark]
2012-12-28 11:44:38 AM  

ck1938: I've seen some similar designs over the past few years. The medium here is a bit different but the storage of heat that is later used to generate steam is consistent with those other designs. It seems like a workable concept that could make wind technology more viable and competitive. Cue outraged environmentalists and deranged leftists to begin marching and protesting as soon as they can fabricate a straw man to vilify.


More like "cue the Teahadists if the government dares to spend a billionth of a percent of what it spends on oil subsidies for any programs to make this technology commercially viable."
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2012-12-28 12:13:40 PM  
Apple has a tremendous windmill gap with Google.

Noam Chomsky approved this sentence.
 
mrlewish
2012-12-28 12:36:34 PM  
Have fun with the Carnot limit apple.
 
Dokushin
2012-12-28 12:39:06 PM  
Sweet, a patent on a useful new energy technology in the hands of a company in no way positioned to take advantage of it that also has a history of aggressively interpreting the scope of their own IP and attempting to remove competition from the market through expensive litigation. End result: this tech will now never see the light of day, because startups (even billion-dollar energy startups) won't be able to afford to try anything close to this for twenty years, because they don't have the money to defend it in court, and Apple isn't really in a position to suddenly branch out to, uh, windmills.
 
Theaetetus
2012-12-28 02:44:12 PM  

Dokushin: Sweet, a patent on a useful new energy technology in the hands of a company in no way positioned to take advantage of it


Oh, snap.
 
Hollie Maea
2012-12-28 03:22:40 PM  

mrlewish: Have fun with the Carnot limit apple.


This. Like Apple or hate it, this patent isn't "slick" or "neat". Bad idea is bad.
 
Malacon
2012-12-28 04:29:48 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So if you invent something while working at Apple, they're going to keep the patent?


Yup.

Funny story about that and Apple, actually.

Woz was working at HP when he made the first Apple I. As per his contract anything Woz Invented belonged to them. So he pitched the idea whole-heartidly to his bosses there (he loved his job at HP) who thought the Personal Computer wasn't something HP wanted to be involved in and passed on it. Jobs and Woz went on to create Apple Computer, Inc.

The lesson just about every tech company took from that is to never turn down an idea an employee comes up with. Even if you never intend to use it.

The company I work for actually have bonuses for filing patents on things we create in the company name. Even if you get turned down you can get Hundreds of dollars just for making the filing. If your idea gets approved, you can make thousands.
 
Dokushin
2012-12-28 06:33:35 PM  

Theaetetus: Dokushin: Sweet, a patent on a useful new energy technology in the hands of a company in no way positioned to take advantage of it

Oh, snap.


Okay, okay, my statement was a little broad. I maintain, however, that this tech will never see general adoption, because the entity holding the patent can't effectively capitalize on it. At most, they could license it, but (as I stated before) Apple doesn't play ball with redistributors. With the aforementioned secondary effects on the future availability of this tech. (I maintain this argument regardless of the technical merit, which I am not fit to judge here.)
 
ck1938
2012-12-28 07:48:48 PM  

Speaker2Animals:
More like "cue the Teahadists if the government dares to spend a billionth of a percent of what it spends on oil subsidies for any programs to make this technology commercially viable."


You are absolutely right. The only way Apple could develop a new technology and bring it to market is with a massive government subsidy.
 
dbirchall
2012-12-28 11:20:57 PM  

Dokushin: I maintain, however, that this tech will never see general adoption, because the entity holding the patent can't effectively capitalize on it. At most, they could license it, but (as I stated before) Apple doesn't play ball with redistributors.


Yeah, Apple is primarily a computing hardware company and secondarily a software company, and would never effectively capitalize on, individually or with partners,  cameras retail computer sales music players music sales mobile phones movie sales movie rentals book sales windmills.
 
davidphogan [TotalFark]
2012-12-29 12:53:42 AM  

Hollie Maea: No, they patented a different windmill, not a better one. You have to have a really good reason to want to store your energy in the form of heat, which is the "lowest" grade of energy and necessarily requires massive inefficiencies to transfer it back to work or electricity.


If you're running a server farm you have a lot of heat to spare.
 
dbirchall
2012-12-29 01:05:25 AM  
/a little surprised, honestly, that this wasn't already posted...
 
dbirchall
2012-12-29 01:06:43 AM  
Frak.  http://memegenerator.net/instance/24626743
 
Dokushin
2012-12-29 04:26:17 AM  

dbirchall: Dokushin: I maintain, however, that this tech will never see general adoption, because the entity holding the patent can't effectively capitalize on it. At most, they could license it, but (as I stated before) Apple doesn't play ball with redistributors.

Yeah, Apple is primarily a computing hardware company and secondarily a software company, and would never effectively capitalize on, individually or with partners,  cameras retail computer sales music players music sales mobile phones movie sales movie rentals book sales windmills.


Small consumer electronics are the same as windmills? We'll get that General Electric CPU any day now, I'm sure. I'm surprised your blind apple faith lasted through the time it took to do those strikeouts, keeping you from noticing what you were saying.
 
dbirchall
2012-12-29 05:22:46 AM  

Dokushin: Small consumer electronics are the same as windmills? We'll get that General Electric CPU any day now, I'm sure.


You know, now that you mention GE, you're right - there's no precedent for a corporation offering both small consumer electronics and windmills. Forget I said anything. ;)
 
Hollie Maea
2012-12-29 07:55:03 PM  

davidphogan: Hollie Maea: No, they patented a different windmill, not a better one. You have to have a really good reason to want to store your energy in the form of heat, which is the "lowest" grade of energy and necessarily requires massive inefficiencies to transfer it back to work or electricity.

If you're running a server farm you have a lot of heat to spare.


Right, so why would you want to make more?
 
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