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(Newsarama)   We've not-so-secretly replaced Amazing Spider-Man with Superior Spider-Man. Let's see if anyone notices (SPOILERS)   ( divider line
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2012-12-27 01:31:03 PM  
3 votes:
The new series really should be called Existential Spider-Man.

What is your consciousness if not all of your memories, footsteps, and live leading up to this moment? Who exactly are you? In ASM #698, when the body switch was revealed, Octo-Spidey straight up told Peter-in-Oct's-body "I have all of your memories, and you have all of mine." At that point, the two could look back and remember the other's life, like watching a video.

BUT, at the end of ASM #700, their minds are linked again. And Peter Parker's consciousness kicks it up a notch. He forces Octavius to actually live through those memories, essentially living Peter Parker's entire life. Completely. He pulls an Aladdin. You want to be Spider-Man? You get everything that comes with it. By forcing Octavius to actually live his entire life, he makes Otto become Peter Parker. This isn't a clone. This isn't a symbiotic relationship. This isn't two minds in one body.

Superior Spider-Man is going to be Doctor Octopus having lived his entire life and THEN ON TOP OF THAT having lived Peter Parker's entire life. At the core of it, Peter Parker is still alive in a way. His consciousness, his memories, everything that we know about him from the 50 year run of Amazing Spider-Man is going to be there. If your thoughts and memories and experiences are who you are then this. is. still. Peter Parker.

Meanwhile, the original one that we've read first-hand has finally received his rest. He gets to die and be at peace. It wasn't that Octavius beat him physically and outsmarted him completely. Yes, he was on death's door and yes he wasn't going to be able to beat Ock. Yes. He is dead. But before his death, he did something he's never done before. By forcing Octavius to live as him, he didn't just beat the villain again. He didn't just do the same thing he's done for 50 years of comics and out-punch, out-smart, and out-last the villain. He made the villain become him completely.

Honestly, it's the most beautiful ending I could think of. Peter Parker goes to heaven or Valhalla or whatever peaceful afterlife you can think of. He retires, along with his comic series itself, and ascends. And it's because he does something truly great. He saves Otto Octavius and gives him a second chance, a chance to continue doing good and even do better as Spider-Man. Meanwhile, Otto Octavius' body is dead, his deeds are dead, his villainous ways are dead, and all is forgiven. With Octavius' body dying with Peter's mind in it, both are saved. Peter can rest, and the legacy of Doc Ock is no more.

Now Peter lives within Ock's mind- no...Peter is Ock's mind. There isn't going to be any battle of consciousness or extraction...they are absolutely the same person. It's still Peter, but it has to deal with Ock's need to be heroic, to truly earn his title as Superior. Because now that he is two in one, and now that he has sworn to be the best Peter Parker he can be, he still needs to earn it. The new series is going to be about this new Peter Parker who has all the potential to be the greatest superhero with the greatest mind and the strongest will, one who could eclipse the Amazing Spider-Man. BUT that's the thing...he could. That doesn't mean he automatically does. Superior Spider-Man now has to look back on a lifetime of evil followed by a lifetime of good and be better than both put together.

Needless to say, I think it could be a great series. That being said, like its title character, it has to work extraordinarily hard to earn it.
2012-12-26 11:51:50 PM  
2 votes:
And this is one reason that I have stopped reading comics. Makes the storylines from WWE Raw look believable.
2012-12-26 10:36:02 PM  
2 votes:
Read it today. I found it underwhelming, and yet kind of upsetting at the same time. Watching Peter die and be replaced by his worst enemy is not exactly a fun thing to read. It's not often you see the bad-guy win on such a total complete level.

On the other hand, it is a novel twist at least. But Ock just murdered Spider-Man and is essentially going to be raping Mary Jane for the next year at least - and this is the guy Marvel wants me to follow and purchase multiple books to see how his story plays out?

Plus, Mary Jane was such a dim-witted punching bag in this story. Nothing but a brainless reactive blow-up doll fantasy-girlfriend:

Fake Ock-Peter: "Shut up woman; I've got some science stuff do do."
Dumbass Mary Jane: "Ok honey."

Fake Ock-Peter: "Why do you always yammer at me with the same inane pep-talk, woman?"
Dumbass Mary Jane: "But... Peter, I've just realized at this very moment that I'm in love with you (again)!"

I kept waiting for her to notice at some point that Peter was treating her like shiat, but she was completely oblivious - and worse - she seemed just fine with it.

It's these kind of dumb, poorly written stunt-stories that make me realize I really am too old to be reading this shiat.
2012-12-27 05:10:40 PM  
1 vote:
So in Avenging Spider-Man 15.1, OttoPeter makes changes to the costume. Here's what he did:

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The eye lenses are now advanced optics. They can change focus, and have a variety of optical effects including what looks like a targeting system. One would assume he also built in night vision, zoom functions, and other handy optics that both Ock and Green Goblin have had in their lenses for a while now.

The boots are now tabi boots, to allow more flexibility with the toe and the new toe-claw (to work in tandem with his newly-learned kung fu. He trained with Shang Chi recently.)

The gloves now have claws on the fingertips. I guess this is both offensive, and for those "just in case my powers fail I can still grip the wall" moments. From the way some of the artwork looks, these may be retractable.

The whole costume has been made more durable, with some minor cosmetic changes and some of the high-tech improvements both Peter and Otto had been tinkering with recently. Exactly what changed remains to be seen, but he spent about a week working on it, so I presume he did something nifty.

The web shooters may or may not be adamantium now. He thought about it, but they don't specifically show him making it happen. I'm assuming he's determined enough to find adamantium and make the necessary improvements to the web shooters.

In ASM #700, OttoPeter shows an ability to do things with the web shooters that Peter never thought of. In Avenging Spider-Man #15.1 OttoPeter laments the fact that Parker never applied himself and held back too much, and that he COULD have done all these things but just didn't put his mind to it. He lacked discipline. OttoPeter does not. If anything, OttoPeter is driven to succeed.

All of this doesn't address my one big gripe with Spider-Man, the Avengers, and Venom: EVERY Avenger seems to know who Venom really is (Flash Thompson), and they all know who Spider-Man is, yet Spider-Man and Venom are not aware of each other's identity. They have somehow managed to be the only two Avengers who don't know each other's identity. I was hoping they'd deal with this before ASM #700, and they didn't. They just left this dangling plot point out there to dangle some more.

Look... Flash Thompson IDOLIZED Spider-Man. He knows Spider-Man and has spent time with him. I would think that when he became an Avenger the first thing he would do is reveal his identity to Spider-Man and reassure him that the symbiote is under control (thanks to Pym, Richards, Stark and McCoy) and that he wants to do everything he can to honor what he learned from idolizing Spider-Man. But that didn't happen. Even in big fight scenes when every Avenger was present, somehow Venom and Spider-Man would somehow manage to not be in the same space together.

And that's annoying. I wanted that conversation. I wanted Pete to have to make the choice to reveal his identity to his fellow Avenger, and possibly give him some advice and pointers. I wanted Flash to react to the truth that his friend (and former enemy) Peter was also his teammate, Spider-Man. . . And they robbed me of that moment.

Honestly, how is it Peter has revealed his identity to EVERY Avenger except Flash? How is it that Captain America has introduced Flash, as war hero Flash Thompson aka Agent Venom, to every standing Avenger EXCEPT Spider-Man?

It was just a big screw-you to the readers, and I wish they'd resolved it.
2012-12-27 03:11:00 PM  
1 vote:

ronin7: Rwa2play: kid_icarus: The whole premise of this storyline is farking creepy. So Dr. O steals Peter's body...Peter farking dies inside Otto's old body...and Otto literally takes over his life? Interacting with his family, banging his girlfriend?? That's...disturbing on a lot of levels. And they expect fans to buy these new SSM comics and actually cheer for the body-snatching murderer of the former Spider-Man?

Anybody who even tries to compare this dreck with "Kraven's Last Hunt" should have their eyes poked out. Not even kidding with this either; at least "KLH" didn't treat the readers as idiots.

Heard someone try to compare it to Dick Grayson taking over the role as Batman after final crisis. I rolled my eyes and tried to explain it was more like the Joker taking over the role of Bruce Wayne after murdering Bruce Wayne...

Yeah, that's more apropo with the added remorse by The Joker....

Oh God that just makes this look even worse~! Holy crap this is fubarific.

And yes I have read all of JMS and Dan Slott's runs on Amazing. And yes I normally like Slott, but this is just.... I don't know, but I have no interesting in reading about the adventures of SpOck.

I LOVED his She-Hulk run...Good Christ I think he caught whatever Geoff Johns' got; whatever it is, it's farking contagious. Turns good/great writers to farking hacks.
2012-12-27 02:02:41 AM  
1 vote:
The best out Marvel has for this is - It's not Ock, it's brainwashed Parker. I.e., Ock tried to swap minds and failed, as mad scientists often do. Instead, he brainwashed Parker into thinking he's Ock, and Ock accidentally brainwashed himself into thinking he's Parker. So Ock died under his delusion, and Parker is now walking around thinking he's Ock. And all it would take is a contrived plot device like a bump on the head/electric shock/telepath to realize, "Hey Spidey, you're like, f"ed up" and set him straight,

Anything else veers head first into creepy rape by deception territory, which I honestly don't put past Marvel these days.
2012-12-26 11:43:55 PM  
1 vote:
please, someone go "reorg" over at Marvel, make sure you get Mr. Q
2012-12-26 09:34:32 PM  
1 vote:
Has anyone talking shiat actually read the issue? How about the issues leading up to it?? This is like when they killed Captain America, people rushed to comic book stores to buy the issue and were then massively disappointed because they didn't bother reading the 24 issues that led UP TO IT.

Having read the issue and the lead-up, this is at least good, maybe even excellent, and considering Dan Slott is the best Spider-Man writer in a LONG time (and I liked large swaths of JMS' run), I'm willing to let him drive the car.
2012-12-26 08:49:34 PM  
1 vote:
Worst. Idea. Ever.
2012-12-26 08:38:44 PM  
1 vote:
"How do you get more Peter Parker than that? Now the readers think he's a menace. That's exciting. On a meta level, that is Spider-Man."

Peter Parker is Spider-Man. THAT is Spider-Man. What we have here is a big heaping helping of turd.
2012-12-26 07:24:18 PM  
1 vote:
I have loved Dan Slott's run on the title, so hopefully this will end up being a pretty cool story...

...and anyone who thinks that this is permanent and won't be retconned before the next Spider-Man movie is delusional.
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