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(CBS Philadelphia)   Student to be sentenced to a picture of prison   ( philadelphia.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2012-12-22 11:01:56 AM  
3 votes:
The far left has truly gone of the deep end.
2012-12-22 11:38:55 AM  
2 votes:
So let me get this straight: The part of Due Process, where the LAW has to show INTENT to commit a crime, no longer applies to anyone, especially a child, in the wake of a violent crime committed against children. Does that about cover it? I just want to make sure I know which parts of the Constitution to cut out and file under "lost."
2012-12-22 11:19:44 AM  
2 votes:
The two final sentences in the article confirm to me the injustice of the whole thing:

"Authorities say that students and teachers at the school were never in any danger nor were any threats made.
The student was placed in Haborfields Juvenile Detention Center. "

So, he's in kid jail in spite of putting no one in danger and not making any threats.
2012-12-22 11:13:40 AM  
2 votes:
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What the teacher might look like.
2012-12-22 11:10:44 AM  
2 votes:
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

So a tv and household cleaning supplies?
2012-12-22 11:07:37 AM  
2 votes:
What exactly gave the police the right to search his home? That sounds extremely far outside the realm of probable cause.
2012-12-22 11:05:43 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah the local press is having a field day with this one, but the more people ask questions about just what *specifically* required such a reaction from police, school, etc., the less info they're willing to provide.

Electronics and components that *could* be used to create an explosive device. Such as if the kid was an R/C enthusiast, HAM radio operator, or several dozen other hobbies. In one article from the Philly newspaper which first covered the story, the police acknowledged that the kid hadn't built anything, but that because components found could be repurposed, that they were treating it like a credible threat.

WTF? Check underneath your kitchen sink. There are components there which could be repurposed into some really nasty stuff, but that doesn't mean that you're going to do it. If you're going to upend this kid's (and his family's) life, I'd expect there to be a better explanation than this.

Thankfully, there are lot of people in the immediate area who are making a stink about just what has the authorities so scared, because on the face of it this sounds like BS.

I've got no problem playing it safe, but if this is just because some teacher overreacted, it needs to be called for the paranoid BS that it is.
2012-12-22 10:55:34 AM  
2 votes:
I used to draw tanks and fighter jets and never got in trouble, and we're not even allowed to own those.

I hate inconsistency!
2012-12-23 06:34:17 PM  
1 vote:
As others have said, I am SO glad I'm not in school anymore. With my childhood fascination with the military and my propensity for drawing war scenes, military aircraft, and guns, I would be labeled a nutcase and thrown in juvenile detention.

I know that I'll probably get some kind of "derp" label for saying this, but I don't recognize this country any more. I know that sounds cliche' and makes me seem like a crusty old bastard, but DAMN, America. WTF?? I used to have hope for the future of our nation. Not any more. There is no way a civilization that is this weak and this stupid can have any hope for a future. We will truly go the way of the dodo bird. And I kind of think we'll deserve it...
2012-12-22 02:03:52 PM  
1 vote:
So...just the drawing of a gun. No threat to go along with it???

So this is education, sit down shut up, learn just enough that you need for a test and so much as draw any form of weapon in any context and it's a permanent suspension?

Now, a few years ago I remember listening to an NPR interview with a few teachers who had their asses kicked by school bullies. Injuries that resulted in hospital visits and medical care and the students could not be removed from school for policy reasons. But draw a gun and you get your place searched and you are expelled.

As for the electronics and chemicals, what if they were his parents?
2012-12-22 12:58:48 PM  
1 vote:
I am forcing myself to assume that the article has left out several very important pieces of information that justify this whole episode in an attempt to stave off my growing urge to run screaming and naked into traffic.

Because dying naked and crushed in the middle of a city street on a cold day is better than believing a minor's home was searched and he was incarcerated due to the presence of common household chemicals, some electronics and the fact that he drew a gun in a notebook at school.
2012-12-22 12:05:44 PM  
1 vote:
Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say.

They found a cell phone in the living room and the cleaning supplies under the kitchen sink.
2012-12-22 11:33:59 AM  
1 vote:
I need more information before I engage my outrage.

I know, bad farker. I should be shouting for the death the school administration and the cops involved.

But seeing how the article just said that the student "demonstrated behavior that caused concern", and the police "found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion", that doesn't give me enough information to be truly outraged.

Did the police search his home finding different chemicals they could tie together or was there a pile of chemicals and electronics in the corner of the garage just waiting to be assembled?
Was the student acting out "violently" and then the teacher noticed the drawings or was the teacher the paranoid type and leapt to conclusions?

With out knowing all the information, either the school and police acted out of line or they possibly stopped another school killing.

Gotta love Fark.

If the teacher and police ignore the above and next week, this student blew the school up, you Farkers would still be outraged... "The school should have noticed and did something..." or "the police saw the bomb makings.... they should have intervened sooner"....

Sorry to interrupt a little reality in to your rantings...

Carry on Fark. Carry on. Bring out your pitchforks and torches.
2012-12-22 11:31:34 AM  
1 vote:

wambu: This is the death-knell for potato guns.

/the terrorists have won, dammit

They won on 9/12, when we became a land of cowards giving up our rights for the illusion of security.
2012-12-22 11:28:14 AM  
1 vote:
This reminds me of the old "National Lampoon" or Harvard Lampoon" story about a gang bust where the villains were discovered to have a garage with a dozen or so old glass pop bottles, old rags, and a car with a tank ominously half full of flammable liquid. The police described it as clearly being a Molotov cocktail factory.
2012-12-22 11:25:29 AM  
1 vote:
My school books used to be a Nazi slaughter zone. G.I.s gunning Nazis down with machine guns. G.I.s blowing Nazis up with hand grenades. G.I.s running Nazis through with bayonets. Basically you could draw all the gory violence you wanted as long as it was Nazis on the receiving end.

"Ghastly, I'm a little concerned with the doodles on the back of your binder."

"Well of course YOU are... you ANTI-SEMITE!"

"Um.... carry on".

Of course once I reached grade seven then it became Gatchaman killing Nazis.
2012-12-22 11:20:50 AM  
1 vote:
Another life ruined in the rush to be as pants-wettingly hysterical as possible in the Home of the Brave.
2012-12-22 11:20:47 AM  
1 vote:
Is there an actual law requiring one to act more cautiously during a moral panic? Is there no freedom stay put on your personal beachhead of social disorder amid a rising tide of intolerance for disorder?

If we take this sort of thinking to a ridiculous extreme, what if America was attacked by a foreign enemy, and that somehow resulted in America invading a completely uninvolved country behaving the same as they were before the attack they had nothing to do with?
2012-12-22 11:09:06 AM  
1 vote:

My mom used to teach in an inner-city middle school. She had a particularly troubled kid in one of her classes. One day he left behind on his desk a drawing of a person pointing a handgun at a large and a small person. When questioned, he said that it was him pointing the gun at my mother and her grandson. He had drawn the gun in enough detail that the school security guard (an ex cop) feared the kid might have access to one like it. Police executed a search warrant on the kids home and sure enough, his step father kept a loaded, unlocked pistol in the apartment.

Although the kid was taken out of my mom's class, he was allowed to stay in school, and my mom continued to see him daily until she took early retirement at the end of that year. Nothing was ever done about his access to the weapon.

She's now a spiritual counselor in a hospice. She still works with people with no future, but at least now they're grateful and unthreatening.

2012-12-22 11:04:58 AM  
1 vote:
"O'er the land of the _______, and the home of the _______..."
2012-12-22 11:00:55 AM  
1 vote:
Every house that has a cabinet with cleaning products has what it takes to make an 'explosive devise'.
Never heard of a 'works' bomb? But wait! Theres more!! Mix product A with product B and you get flames!
I hope the judge understands what is going on and stomps on the cops, but I doubt it, this kid is facing a life behind bars because of some drawings.
2012-12-22 11:00:01 AM  
1 vote:
I hope more sane thinking prevails in this case.

It will be pretty sad for the system if it does not.
2012-12-22 10:57:43 AM  
1 vote:

marius2: I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I have a jug of a liquid that under some conditions can explode. In the summer I put it in the lawn mower and in the winter in the snow blower. I also have diesel fuel and miracle grow, not sure if you can do any thing other drive the car and grow tomatoes but can't be too sure.

I think they need, and might have, something to show intent and not just an artist with some chemicals the COULD be dangerous.
2012-12-22 10:52:45 AM  
1 vote:
Wait, wait, he drew pictures of guns in a notebook, like most high school boys, and he's going to jail?

2012-12-22 10:34:15 AM  
1 vote:
I'd need more information on these "bomb making" materials. Doesn't everyone have some bomb making materials in their home?

I went to school with this kid that drew really neat, albeit violent, pictures which including guns, people shooting each other, etc. Teacher found them one day, told him that he had a lot of talent, and nothing happened of it.
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