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(ESPN)   NHLPA set to disband, allowing players to sue owners for antitrust violations. And here we go   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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1698 clicks; posted to Sports » on 15 Dec 2012 at 12:11 PM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-12-15 06:31:12 PM  
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The traditional model of sports ownership was something like this:

Buy a team for $100M. Take a reasonable loss on yearly revenue to pay for a competitive team, and use the loss as a nice tax write off. Then, ten years later, sell the team for $200M. That model allowed you to be competitive every year AND get a massive ROI.

For some reason, ownership groups in the North American leagues are no longer satisfied with that, and now demand yearly profits-- as if there's no difference between a NHL franchise and a McDonalds franchise. And they're militant with this demand-- lockouts were once unheard of, but have now become a regular occurrence (especially in hockey).

That mentality is very dangerous for the long-term, because if you try to run a sports team like it's your only source of annual income, you'll never be able to compete with the teams that don't look at it that way-- and those teams might be the New York Rangers, or they might be in the KHL.
2012-12-15 02:20:35 PM  
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Captain Steroid: Does anybody know what happens to the Stanley Cup if the league goes under? :-(

Trust me, even if the NHL went completely under, the Canadian teams would stay (and keep the cup - it started with them and would stay with them). Hell, I think a few of the American ones would too, and they'd just start something new. Hockey doesn't die.
2012-12-15 01:53:22 PM  
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Dafatone: Also, revenue splits. In the previous CBA, players got 57% of the revenue. The league wanted this down to (I think) 47%. In mid-October, the league offered a 50-50 split and said if the players wouldn't take it then, that was it and they'd never get that offer again. The players rejected it since some other concerns weren't addressed, and we haven't been close to a resolution since.

I was under the impression that when they offered "50-50" some things that were previously part of Revenue Split were no longer considered "Revenue" making it not a true 50-50.
2012-12-15 01:15:37 PM  
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Munchausen's Proxy: I'm not up on labor law, but doesn't the decertification only make a lockout illegal? What does it do to individual player contracts? Are they tied to the existence of a CBO?

I don't know *Canadian* labor law, but in the United States, a collective bargaining agreement can cover areas that would normally violate antitrust laws (salary caps, most notably). So if a league and the union negotiate to an impasse, and the league imposes it's last offer before declaring an impasse (which is how labor law works), and that offer includes a salary cap, the union then decertifies and the individual players sue the league for violating antitrust laws, and if they win get triple damages.
2012-12-15 12:52:48 PM  
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Palmer Eldritch: Serious question: what is the likelihood of there being an NHL season next year?

Better question: what is the likelihood of there being an NHL next year?
2012-12-15 12:48:56 PM  
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It seems like the NHL is committing suicide with this lockout. I bet the repercussions from this cost them more in revenue than they will gain by squeezing the players.

Have they ever published reliable numbers on what the teams make every year? I'm wondering what kind of return the owners are expecting to make from their teams.

I can't fault the players for wanting to be paid well because they are the ones who make the NHL worth watching.
2012-12-15 12:48:14 PM  
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A player-owned team as an award in a successful law suit?

I would love to be in on the board meetings.
2012-12-15 12:44:33 PM  
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You know, it may just be me, but despite my sympathy for the players, this whole 'decertify then sue for unfair lockout' thing seems like gamesmanship at its worst. It is a blatant abuse of the laws, despite my contempt for the owners' position. Stupid people, get back to the table and get hockey back!

2012-12-15 12:39:01 PM  
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cameroncrazy1984: desertgeek: mikaloyd: Thats it then. Jets are going bankrupt.

The new Jets and the old Jets. Plus Columbus and probably 3-5 more teams. I wouldn't rule out either Alberta team, either Florida team, Nashville, Carolina, Dallas, Anaheim, Colorado, St. Louis or San Jose even.

Good. The NHL needs to have 25 teams at most.

At the rate hockey is going, we may go from "The Original Six" to "The Last Six Remaining".

There's got to be a point where the owners realize that killing their sport might effect their pocketbooks more than a bad contract.

By the way, I haven't been following this dispute too much since it started (other than knowing there simply isn't hockey on at all), but what are the major sticking points in the negotiations? Anybody care to give me a quick summary?
2012-12-15 12:28:35 PM  
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So Donald Fehr will be directly involved in his second forced cancellation of a league's championship and Gary Bettman will be directly involved in his second self-imposed cancellation of a league's entire season.

You know what? Those two assholes deserve to be tied together in history.

/I no longer believe that it's the entirety of NHL ownership pulling Bettman's strings.
//It's a minority of them or Bettman himself leading them over a cliff
/But Fehr's farked this up quite a bit too
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