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2012-12-14 05:00:21 PM  
not only that, but she breast-fed him.
 
2012-12-14 05:03:48 PM  
She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better
 
2012-12-14 05:08:37 PM  
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/ sloppy joe, slop, sloppy joe...
 
2012-12-14 05:14:19 PM  
Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in when I read that as "feeling."
 
2012-12-14 05:14:38 PM  
But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."


Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.
 
2012-12-14 05:17:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better


Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.
 
2012-12-14 05:19:12 PM  

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.
 
2012-12-14 05:48:52 PM  

Diogenes: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.


I was just drunk, and I was polite. I also had $300 in cash in my wallet which disappeared along with the charges Monday morning.
 
2012-12-14 06:14:25 PM  
My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.
 
2012-12-14 06:15:36 PM  

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


Exactly - there are solutions, that were actually in place, that actually seemed to work.
 
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM  
I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
 
2012-12-14 06:17:35 PM  
Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."
 
2012-12-14 06:19:38 PM  
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"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"
 
2012-12-14 06:19:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


The right thing was getting that kid onto the free meal plan.
 
2012-12-14 06:22:26 PM  

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!
 
2012-12-14 06:23:00 PM  

Lsherm: I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing.


Well, yeah, it IS stealing if you want to get technical about it.
 
2012-12-14 06:23:18 PM  

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Oh good on you fellow individual! I am glad to hear it turned out well.
 
2012-12-14 06:23:54 PM  
Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.
 
2012-12-14 06:24:36 PM  

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


ok, but you aren't human then anymore either so...there's that.
 
2012-12-14 06:25:22 PM  
There's that good old Liberal Compassion! The NEA should kick the kid out of school, and jail his parent's until restitution is made.
 
2012-12-14 06:25:56 PM  

Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:28 PM  
You're fired. Oh, and by the way, Merry Christmas.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:33 PM  
Are there no prisons? And the workhouses, are they closed?

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.
 
2012-12-14 06:26:54 PM  

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


Anyone who's been locked up in the OPP (Orleans Parish Prison) would call it just that.

At least they have an ATM in the booking room
 
2012-12-14 06:27:19 PM  
Seems like a better solution would be to take the cost of the kid's lunch out of her wages - kid gets fed, school gets its money, everyone's happy


/of course the optimal solution would have been to provide some bilingual assistance to the parent so that the kid could stay on the free lunch program
 
2012-12-14 06:27:57 PM  

Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.


Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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2012-12-14 06:28:22 PM  

iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.


zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.
 
2012-12-14 06:28:38 PM  

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


CHARTWELLS, eh? I work at a university in South Florida where Chartwell's runs the food service. I swear they throw out more than they serve. I have personally seen situations where folks asked for the leftovers after an event and were told "no" and then the food was simply thrown away. Charwell's is scum.

But at least they hired the lunch-lady back again in this case.
 
2012-12-14 06:28:41 PM  

Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.


For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.
 
2012-12-14 06:29:20 PM  
I've always thought school lunches should be provided for everyone. I have no idea how much it would cost but as stated before it might be the only meal they have all day. A student that doesn't have an empty stomach will be able to concentrate better. School performance will most likely increase and that benefits everyone.
 
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM  
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Yes, it was stealing. it was not your property to give away for free, and you did. That being said, Merry Christmas, and i know that someone will hire a person with a big heart such as you have. Charity starts with one nice gesture, and tends to recycle itself.
 
2012-12-14 06:30:21 PM  

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.
 
2012-12-14 06:32:15 PM  

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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I love apricots!
 
2012-12-14 06:32:49 PM  
"She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money."


I have some ice cream, I have some ice creeeeeeeeam. And you didn't get none because you are on the welfare. And your father is an alcoholic. Wanna lick?

/Psyche! I have some ice cream....


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2012-12-14 06:33:01 PM  

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.


Good for her. That is what she should have done when the system you seem to worship results in a hungry kid not getting fed.


She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.


Yeah, sorry kid, you'll just have to go hungry until the district can come up with an interpreter to let your parents know they need to fill out these here forms in order for you to eat. In the mean time, tough shiat.


She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


She was right, period. Realistically, you're a disgrace to the nation. You're a bad person, and should feel bad.
 
2012-12-14 06:33:43 PM  

Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.



Now maybe they'll fire the asshole douchebag fark who fired her in the first place. This is what happens when everyfarkingthing gets outsourced. Cut into profits and we'll farking kill you. If the program had been run by the school, we'd have never heard about it and none of this wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-12-14 06:33:50 PM  

Weaver95: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.
 
2012-12-14 06:34:58 PM  
See?
 
2012-12-14 06:35:33 PM  

Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?


WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?



/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have
 
2012-12-14 06:35:40 PM  

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


good on you.

I dont have any kids, well, none that I know of at least hardyhar.. I would love to do the same, but we unfortunatly don't hear about such things until it comes to a situation such as this.

no child should ever go hungry, ever... for whatever reason.. yes, there are things in place for such things free lunch programs and all such stuff. but it sometimes come down to qualify for the program minimum wage requirements must be met. and all of a sudden you are making just enough to barely survive, but you make too much to qualify for such programs.
or, there maybe parant who are just lazy pieces of shiat that put their own shiat in front of their kids and don't even bother. .

I would be gladly sponsor a kid that needs it but who's family income is on that cusp.. of earning enough to survive, but not enough to live.

if its a matter of bad desisions on the parents side. the kid should not have to bare the results of that. the kid is an innocent.
 
2012-12-14 06:35:56 PM  

Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.


you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....


and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?
 
2012-12-14 06:36:00 PM  

wild9: Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."



When my son was a child I used to volunteer for the USDA's summer lunch program and yes, that was often the case with some of the children who attended.  Two brothers in particular, ages 7 & 5, came to the park every single day for lunch.  Since we sometimes had extra lunches, these two would eat as quickly as they could in the hopes they could get a second lunch since this was the only food they had all day.  Skinny little guys too, who couldn't afford to lose even a couple of pounds and ate like a couple of starving animals.  I always wondered if they went the whole weekend without eating and hoped someone fed them.
 
2012-12-14 06:36:07 PM  
It baffles me that we, the human race, have the energy and resources to feed everyone Star Trek-style but refuse to do so because we cling to a 19th century model of scarcity and work. Yet many people desperately embrace the spaceship part while ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?
 
2012-12-14 06:36:56 PM  

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?
 
2012-12-14 06:37:18 PM  

Weaver95: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

see..that makes you less than human.


Weaver, you know better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
 
2012-12-14 06:37:20 PM  
An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.
 
2012-12-14 06:38:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


Or to put this in nerdy 3rd ed. D&D terms, she's a NG aligned person working for a bunch of LN's

( at least that's the impression I got...)
 
2012-12-14 06:39:41 PM  

Weaver95: Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have

what if you bend the rules, feed the kid and THEN backdate the paperwork afterwards?

novel concept, right?


What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

These, and other questions, will be ignored by sociopaths, control freaks, and bad Americans, everywhere.
 
2012-12-14 06:40:10 PM  
The "did I say that? I meant this" headline is a cliche that really, really needs to die. It's right there with the "this...just kidding, that" tripe.

It's not funny. It's not insightful. It's just lazy.
 
2012-12-14 06:40:46 PM  

Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."



From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.
 
2012-12-14 06:42:17 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?


Cause the aliens were hotter.
 
2012-12-14 06:42:52 PM  

ProfessorOhki:

Weaver, you know better.


hey, that's the situation we've been presented with - this woman tried following the rules, hit a brick wall and when she could have just let the kid go hungry...she decided the rules could get bent and fed the kid anyways. meanwhile she tried to get him back into the right program...but that takes time. and during that time, the kid wasn't going to get fed.

EVERY system of morality out there says that you should hang the damn rules and feed the hungry (and heal the sick).
 
2012-12-14 06:43:26 PM  

Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.


they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup
 
2012-12-14 06:43:41 PM  
How about you just feed all of the kids all of the time?

Isn't that better than some death-from-above?

Please explicate how my original point is wrong in any way.

I'll be waiting...

*)
 
2012-12-14 06:43:52 PM  
Just another reason while our school districts/system needs to have its funding restored and a law passed preventing politicians from touching it again.

I applaud this lunch lady she may have broken the rules but she did the right thing. I am glad she got rehired. Now if policy is changed it would be a very good thing.
 
2012-12-14 06:45:29 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


School officials. Gotta be the least intelligent life forms on our planet. And we put 'em in charge of our kids education.

We are well and truly farked.
 
2012-12-14 06:46:08 PM  

Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


you are not serious here are you?
 
2012-12-14 06:47:53 PM  

Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.


She should have killed him and ground him up to use for Wednesday meatloaf.

/seriously, how can you "Christian" sociopaths so merrily sneer in the faces of hungry children?
 
2012-12-14 06:48:19 PM  

Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?


Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.
 
2012-12-14 06:49:01 PM  

Lsherm: Weaver95: so if you have a choice between letting a kid go hungry OR following the rules...you follow the rules?

WHAT IF FOLLOWING THE RULES LETS THE KID EAT?

/novel concept to the idiots in this thread
//she didn't follow up, and she should have


Lunch ladies don't run administration from my experience.
 
zez
2012-12-14 06:50:29 PM  
How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 

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2012-12-14 06:50:51 PM  
when i want to school my dad gave me extra money so i could buy dessert every day

now i'm big and oh so fat
 
2012-12-14 06:51:21 PM  

Weaver95: iheartscotch:

/ if she had gone to her supervisor with the problem and the supervisor comped the meals; they wouldn't have had a problem.

zero tolerance. no mercy, no exceptions. if a kid starves and someone has to be fired to keep the Holy Rules in order then so be it.


I see....

The supervisor was technically correct; the best kind of correct.

/ The whole situation could have been avoided if the worker had cleared her decision with her supervisor.
 
2012-12-14 06:53:25 PM  

School lunch in Finland...
School lunch in Sweden...


This would never happen in the US. Not the food, mind you, but actual steel knives.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:28 PM  

spentshells: Lsherm: Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.

For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

you are not serious here are you?


A little bit. He was previously part of the free lunch program. She tried to get his parents to join again, and they didn't. Then she went out of her way to feed just that one kid because he wasn't part of the program. The smart solution was getting him back on the free lunch program.
 
2012-12-14 06:54:31 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Quantum Apostrophe: ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?

Cause the aliens were hotter.


True, true dat...
 
2012-12-14 06:56:00 PM  
Update: Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.
 
2012-12-14 06:56:34 PM  

thamike: "Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


You didn't feed that

/BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2012-12-14 06:58:18 PM  
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2012-12-14 06:58:29 PM  

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them
 
2012-12-14 07:00:35 PM  
This story highlights an incredible failure on the part of the school. It is their responsibility to know what is going on with the kids under their supervision.

There isn't enough information to point to the lunch lady or some other official and say where the slip-up occurred, but there was a slip-up. Giving the kid papers for his parents to fill out and then not following up is unacceptable. The obvious goal is to get the kid back on the food program.

I would be very surprised to learn that the lunch lady was supposed to be responsible for administering the free food program or following up with the parents; I imagine there is a school counselor or someone in the administration that has that responsibility. Obviously there was a lack of communication, but honestly, firing the lunch lady is ludicrous.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:17 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Canton: An act of civil disobedience with the goal of not letting a kid starve? A lunch lady accepts the consequences of said act without backing down from her position? Yeah, I can get behind that. Glad they rehired her, but I hope they can improve the system, too. Kids can't learn very well when they're malnourished.

they are given a cheese sandwich if the kid doesn't have money. this is standard practice. not give the kids a "rich mans meal" complete with cupcake and fruit cup


Not that the "rich kid" school lunches are that much better, but if the best meal of a kid's day consists of a cheese sandwich and milk, day after day, don't you think that kid would be malnourished? And that's not even getting into the cheese sandwich stigma. The woman was trying to protect the child. She could have gone about it in a less risky way, but geez.

/The standard practice needs improvement.
 
2012-12-14 07:02:51 PM  

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:04:38 PM  
I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.
 
2012-12-14 07:05:25 PM  
My question is this: Why are we punishing her when it was the children who were stealing those meals?
 
2012-12-14 07:07:48 PM  
I don't mind stealing bread
from the mouths of the decadent...

I'm going hungreeeeeeee
 
2012-12-14 07:07:52 PM  

ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.


It is if You're a Democrat.
 
2012-12-14 07:10:55 PM  

Weaver95: crush the weak! smash the poor! that's how we do it in THIS country, the way jesus wanted it done!


That was almost rational satire, weave.

/Stoppitnowyerfreakinmeout.
 
2012-12-14 07:11:18 PM  

Lsherm: Diogenes: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

I'm surprised they didn't just dump you in a canal in a sack, to be honest.

I was just drunk, and I was polite. I also had $300 in cash in my wallet which disappeared along with the charges Monday morning.


I spent a night in jail trashed. My money was there in the morning and I was given a ham sandwich.
 
2012-12-14 07:12:17 PM  

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.
 
2012-12-14 07:13:55 PM  
I wonder how much Chartwell charges the government for a default cheese sandwich that's probably made from government cheese.
 
2012-12-14 07:14:45 PM  

Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.


You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?
 
2012-12-14 07:14:50 PM  

meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.



I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.
 
2012-12-14 07:15:41 PM  

meat0918: Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?


Umm, because buying bombers is in the constitution and children having food is not. Duh!

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Hurrr... Idiot.
 
2012-12-14 07:15:58 PM  

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Balderdash. Just keep farkin that GOP talking point chicken.
 
2012-12-14 07:16:13 PM  

Indubitably: giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them

Seriously?

Look, American schools need work, and I have the right ideas about that:

1) Experiential learning.

2) Multi-modal learning opportunities.

3) The "classroom" is a thing of the past.

4) One-room schoolhouse writ large.

5) De-test.

*)


P.S. You're welcome.

P.P.S. Please ask me more about this, and I will happily explicate, for a price. Man's gotta live...
 
2012-12-14 07:17:53 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


Legal and necessary, Darlin'.

*)

*bow*
 
2012-12-14 07:18:49 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


I sure as fark hope that there isn't any place where it's illegal to give free lunches to children. That would be some pretty farked up legislation.
 
2012-12-14 07:18:57 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


In the choice between acting Lawful and acting Good, remember that the Law is malleable.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:15 PM  
Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.


The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:31 PM  
we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.
 
2012-12-14 07:19:35 PM  
I'm a lunch lady at a high school and come across this on a weekly basis.So I have the kid{s} help get trays,stock forks etc.right before the bell rigs and voila, they eat a whole meal,not plastic cheese sammich.I'm not sure why they don't sign up for the free lunch paper work,,after offering it in a gentle way,but I won't purse or embarrass them{hopefully}..
 
2012-12-14 07:19:54 PM  

zez: How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster


Is this a serious question?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:18 PM  

meat0918: Bathia_Mapes: meat0918: I'm probably the only one here that will say this(and I did not RTFT), but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about making kids pay for school lunch. Period.

It'll cost some money though.

Of course, this is at odds with my desire to improve school lunches, which costs money.

Maybe we can buy a few less bombers and instead disperse it to the schools?

//Makes lunch for my kids to take.


I know there are schools in my area (Eugene and Springfield) that have so many students that qualify for free school lunches that they just give free lunches to all students.  And that is actually legal to do, which is awesome.

The school in Eugene my kids go to have free breakfast but not lunch. They tell me they eat the breakfast nearly everyday(which the principal has said that since they started that they have less problems with discipline in the morning), and my wife and I give them breakfast as well before they head to school. Growing boys are bottomless pits though.

They also complained that what the school served for lunch was "mostly junk food", which is kinda a bummer since I know they are working very hard to improve things.


I should clarify it's not my kids with discipline problems, just that overall since they started it a few years ago that they have less problems now that all the kids are nearly guaranteed to have something in their bellies before the school day officially begins.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:20 PM  
I want to know what was going on at home.
Free and reduced lunches are not hard to get.

When my son was in first grade the lunch lady called herself helping, being charitable, but what she was really doing was feeding a clever child a second breakfast of stuff, like Honey Buns, that he liked as opposed to the real food I was serving at home.
 
2012-12-14 07:21:36 PM  

buckler: johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.

If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.


Do you believe that the child in question was starving?
 
2012-12-14 07:21:57 PM  
I'm a little confused. Who does she work for? Chartwell's? The school district?

I didn't know schools outsourced their cafeteria, I guess it makes sense. I would think a cafeteria manager could bury this minor expense, who ratted her out?
 
2012-12-14 07:23:31 PM  
I've gone hungry at times as both a child and as an adult. I recognize this woman for her compassion and caring heart. However, it is still theft. I am very glad that she got her job back and about the only suggestion I would have is since she is also a person on hard times, perhaps the school should've just reprimanded her and then given her the option to do some volunteer work (tutoring after school, something like that) to help redress the petty theft. I am not a fan of theft, nor am I a fan of hunger, but I understand why she did what she did. Although, as hungry as I have been in times past, I never resorted to theft myself, but it's funny what hunger does to a person. I still have vivid memories and feelings from about 2 years ago being so miserably hungry (I'd used up my "emergency boxes" at the local food bank) that one day I saw a pile of apples at my grocery store where I'd gone to buy rice and beans and toilet paper with $10 in my pocket. I obsessed over the apples and thought, maybe no one would notice if I took just one. I didn't, but hunger does odd things to adults, let alone children. I cannot even begin to ponder what this child was going through and am glad to hear that the lunchlady gets to go back to work and the kid can be fed each day.
 
2012-12-14 07:23:56 PM  
So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.
 
2012-12-14 07:24:57 PM  
Wither or whether the child was eligible is immaterial.

Educate and Feed American children now, please.

Whatever the cost.

I mean it.

Thank you for reading.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:26:33 PM  
Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.
 
2012-12-14 07:27:32 PM  

special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?


More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.
 
2012-12-14 07:28:04 PM  
I worked at a school once, and occasionally ran a POS terminal on busy days, since I set up and maintained the terminals and knew them as well as anyone.

I used to do this for some kids, though I would just ring it as a cash sale and pay out of pocket so the register balanced.
 
2012-12-14 07:28:14 PM  

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

Exactly?

 
2012-12-14 07:28:18 PM  

Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.


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2012-12-14 07:28:26 PM  

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

School lunch in Sweden...

School lunch in South Korea...

School lunch in the USA...


If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.
 
2012-12-14 07:29:21 PM  
This is why the only people I ever help in any way outside of my family are people who will never see my face more than once (namely, the one time I help them) and will never know my name. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

/I know this isn't the thread about The Onion's coverage about the shooting, but just.... f*ck everything
 
2012-12-14 07:29:53 PM  

spmkk: Lsherm: "Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan."


From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Also -- it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.


This!
 
2012-12-14 07:30:09 PM  

Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.


Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.
 
2012-12-14 07:30:27 PM  

Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.


you know that Jesus was a commie, right?
 
2012-12-14 07:32:00 PM  

Rent Party: Yeah, sorry kid, you'll just have to go hungry until the district can come up with an interpreter to let your parents know they need to fill out these here forms in order for you to eat. In the mean time, tough shiat.


Ahem:

She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money. "The kids would ridicule and tell them, ah you don't have any money, that's why you have to eat cheese sandwiches every day," Brame says.

Rent Party: Realistically, you're a disgrace to the nation. You're a bad person, and should feel bad.


Realistically, you're an illiterate idiot. The kid didn't go hungry either way, and you're wrong. How's it feel?
 
2012-12-14 07:32:00 PM  

dogsmycopilot: I want to know what was going on at home.
Free and reduced lunches are not hard to get.

When my son was in first grade the lunch lady called herself helping, being charitable, but what she was really doing was feeding a clever child a second breakfast of stuff, like Honey Buns, that he liked as opposed to the real food I was serving at home.


So... You're syaing this kid may have been jetting home for lunch and then coming back and plying the idiotic lunchb*tch for damn seconds? WTF? What a damn manipulative hog. That's what communism teaches you: look out for #1; f*ck everybody else (twice).
 
2012-12-14 07:32:37 PM  

murryantoinette: we grew up poor but our parents despite all their faults always kept us fed and loved us even if they didn't always do it the best way possible. It always seemed every one else around us had more, but then I grew up and looked around and realized we actually had it pretty good. I once stopped in a border town between Thailand and Cambodia where the children where shot with pellets when they begged for food. Ive seen mistreated kids right here in North America, we've all seen it and we've seen how the banks of nearly every nation on this planet break our economies and stretch further the divide between the haves and have nots. yet the system calls these people role models and calls a lady feeding a kid from our tax money a thief. shame on any one who calls her a thief or what she did stealing when fats cats of this world are robbing us all blind. what she did was a community service paid for by tax payers dollars. and I promise you that a free lunch for someone less fortunate than ourselves costs our communities a lot less than the price of doing doing nothing. Think about it.


There are (lots of) people here in America who love the idea of poor children starving so much that I'm convinced they masturbate at the thought of it.

/many of them are "Christian"
//they pay lip-service to getting rid of government charity, but then they don't want to replace it with anything else
///except maybe CCA debtors' prisons
 
2012-12-14 07:32:58 PM  

Snapper Carr: Seems like a better solution would be to take the cost of the kid's lunch out of her wages - kid gets fed, school gets its money, everyone's happy


/of course the optimal solution would have been to provide some bilingual assistance to the parent so that the kid could stay on the free lunch program


No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?
 
2012-12-14 07:33:50 PM  
 
2012-12-14 07:34:04 PM  
The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:16 PM  
FTFA:

"I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.

"I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid


If the paperwork isn't returned and the kid is nixed from program, there isn't a protocol to kick this to admin? Same with the account limit; she was keeping records, who (if anyone) reviewed maxed-out accounts? Admin. doesn't want to know how many of their students require this service and are no longer eligible owing to nonpayment? Indications are this is allowed to pass into the realm of a private sector solution, so district can wash their hands of it. The Chartwell's drone that did the firing should be beaten with nylons that have a couple pounds of sand knotted into the toes - Could have worked this situation into good PR (raise worker's pay - feed the farking kid - `we care!', etc...). It's not like Chartwell's (CompassUSA/Compass Group PLC) doesn't get a good deal on donated commodities from the USDA. Having the `lunch lady' take the fall for an public/private `one size fits all' partnership isn't very smart on any level.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:27 PM  

vrax: Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.

Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.


THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.
 
2012-12-14 07:34:49 PM  

JohnCarter: Lsherm: But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, "I let his account get over $45 which I'm only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid."

Note she wasn't paying for his lunch and then sending him through. Kudos to her for trying to get him back on the program. His parents didn't, but since the kid didn't suffer any negative consequences, why would they?

She didn't tell the kid "no" and explain why, and she didn't pay for the food she was giving away. She was solving a problem that didn't need to exist with a short-term solution she knew was wrong. Her "solution" didn't fix the real problem.

She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

Exactly - there are solutions, that were actually in place, that actually seemed to work.


Well, seeing as the kid still didn't have money for lunch the solutions did not seem to work in this case.
 
2012-12-14 07:35:38 PM  

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


Don't worry, the food will trickle down on them any second now.
 
2012-12-14 07:35:51 PM  

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


Peanut butter? In public schools? Is that even still allowed anywhere?
 
2012-12-14 07:36:26 PM  
This is the US of A and if there is one thing I know for sure, the kid should be punished and go hungry for the shortcomings and failings of the system and adults who are supposed to take care of him.
 
2012-12-14 07:36:30 PM  

Lsherm:

THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.


so you wanted to force the kid to eat the plastic sandwich of shame and get bullied...? why would you do that? seems kind of cruel to me.
 
2012-12-14 07:37:30 PM  

ShannonKW: buckler: johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.

If I were not an atheist, allowing children to starve for any reason would be a primary sin, regardless of politics.

Do you believe that the child in question was starving?


I believe that if he or she were deprived of food when it was available to give, that could constitute the definition if she or he were hungry.
 
2012-12-14 07:37:38 PM  
More testicles means more iron.

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2012-12-14 07:38:36 PM  

Lsherm: For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.


Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

Should she have paid for them? Yes. But firing her isn't the right response either--we can tailor punishment to fit the crime.
 
2012-12-14 07:39:22 PM  

Weaver95: Ramit Bawdeep: So now we're f*cking teaching our kids to be goddamn communists? Our country is already headed down that path for f*ck's sake. They should make the kid wash some dishes in trade for a damn cheese sandwich. Teach the little twerp that you don't get crap for free; maybe they should get a damn job sewing on doll's eyes or something. That lunch lady is no hero. She's teaching the next generation to be victims and to just cry louder and louder until you get what you want. Maybe she should be a farmer. Then can give away all the food she grows and find out firsthand how many people will go hungry next year when she can't afford to even grow any crops anymore.

you know that Jesus was a commie, right?


Damn skippy. A bleeding heart commie pussy with an Electra complex, so?
 
2012-12-14 07:41:08 PM  

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Things like this are why I am proud to be a Farker.
 
2012-12-14 07:41:35 PM  

zez: How the fark is anyone living in Webster Groves, Mo, too poor to be able to buy a school lunch?

Typical home in Webster 

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There are some very wealthy people in Webster. There are definitely people who are poor as well.

The elementary in question is the one that mainly serves kids from Rock Hill. It's not completely impoverished, but it sure as hell isn't the same as the nice part of Webster.

The same can be said about the Ladue School District and parts of Olivette.
 
2012-12-14 07:41:39 PM  

Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?


I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.
 
2012-12-14 07:42:30 PM  

KarmaSpork: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Things like this are why I am proud to be a Farker.


Newsflash:

This just in.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:19 PM  

PsiChick: Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.


Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:22 PM  

Lsherm: vrax: Lsherm: special20: Lsherm: She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed.

You mean... she vasinnt followink orrrrders?

More like she ended up purposely avoiding school policy twice instead of trying to fix the actual problem.

I'd give her a pass if she didn't start her story admitting that she knew what the problem was - this kid hadn't been renewed for the free lunch plan. If she had told anyone else about it he probably would have been back on it. Hell, she could have gotten an exemption.

Doesn't matter - she's hired back. Moot point.

Oh, fark you! Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

THE farkING KID GOT FED EITHER WAY YOU STUPID BLEEDING HEART!

She was sneaking him food to keep him from being bullied, but every kid got fed regardless of whether or not they had money. And this kid could have gotten the "cool" lunch if she had followed up with administrators so his parents got him back on the free lunch program.


And you could have chosen to not be an asshole in this thread. However, the cat's out of the bag. Her "mistake" was a sign of caring. Yours is the sign of a dick.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:30 PM  

shtychkn: Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?

I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.


I'm sure you know the difference between a taxpayer funded public school that is supposed to take care of kids and a for-profit grocery store. I mean, I have to believe you do.
 
2012-12-14 07:43:48 PM  

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.
 
2012-12-14 07:44:04 PM  

giftedmadness: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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Lol American public schooling and the incompetent liberal unions who run them


damn that's a good troll.


Best to do it the republican way and not offer a school lunch. The free market will sort out who needs to eat.
 
2012-12-14 07:44:48 PM  

big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.


Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?
 
2012-12-14 07:45:48 PM  

MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.


Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.
 
2012-12-14 07:46:27 PM  
The candy store has a lunch lady action figure playset in the window. (The other one is Moses for some reason.)

I'm very tempted to buy it. Lunch Lady--Action Hero! Yaaaaay! She could them up with the Librarian to kick the asses of nutritional and informational wrong-doers everywhere--but especially in the Media-Industrial-Congressional--Educational Complex (MICE)!

Lunch Lady Doris (also the School Nurse) on The Simpsons was voiced by Doris Grau, who also played Doris on The Critic. She was a "script girl" or something of that ilk and much loved by those who worked with her in the TV and movie industry. She was pretty much playing herself, with her own unique gravelly Brooklyn smoker's growl. She died of cancer like the orginal Marlborough Man and the wife of the creator of modern advertising for industries including Big Tobacco.
 
2012-12-14 07:47:21 PM  

big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.


"...that who...?"

Everything you said before is defunct.

*)
 
2012-12-14 07:47:39 PM  

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"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"

 

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"Why didn't he just sell some stock from his trust fund to make ends meet?"
 
2012-12-14 07:49:09 PM  
"There's very little meat in these gym mats."

Lisa Simpson: "Isn't there anything here that doesn't have meat in it?"
Lunchlady Doris: "Possibly the meat loaf."

"It's full of bunny goodness."
 
2012-12-14 07:49:53 PM  

Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?


Child services.
 
2012-12-14 07:50:28 PM  
Remember, according to the GOP, giving a shiat about a kid is somehow bad.
 
2012-12-14 07:51:44 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: It baffles me that we, the human race, have the energy and resources to feed everyone Star Trek-style but refuse to do so because we cling to a 19th century model of scarcity and work. Yet many people desperately embrace the spaceship part while ignoring the human part of Star Trek. Why?


When you can promise me alien poon in go-go boots, I'll be a bit more open-minded.
 
2012-12-14 07:51:57 PM  

big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.


Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.
 
2012-12-14 07:52:31 PM  

Rent Party: Lsherm:
She's a lunch lady. Run it up the chain if there's a starving student. If you aren't willing to do that, buy the kid lunch with your own money until you realize it's a stupid solution and the kid's parents should get back on the free meal plan.

"My husband died in February, I lost my home, car got repo'ed," she explains...

And yet she still manages to find sympathy for a poor kid and, ya know, feed him.

This lady is everything right about America, and you are everything wrong with it.


You. I like you.
 
2012-12-14 07:53:11 PM  
I've paid for kids' lunches many times - usually the district will let them run a tab up to $15, then they'll cut them off. No money, no lunch. The free/reduced price lunch forms are available in English and Spanish, but we have kids speaking eleven other first languages in my school alone. The application turnaround time is several days, which families don't necessarily understand.

The district is pushing families to apply online to save money and expedite the process, but unfortunately it just adds another barrier to those who really need the help. (There is certainly a lot of fraud, but I'd consider it a lesser evil than making kids go hungry.)

In their present form, school lunches should be a last resort for families, and by that I mean as an alternative to starvation. I've seen many kids arrive here (from SE Asia in particular) lean, fit and healthy, only to morph into obese and chronically ill kids within two to three years. They lack transportation, no longer have the ability grow and/or harvest their own food, and are bound to school desks thirty-five hours a week. Organized sports cost $, require transportation, and it's often not safe to be outside in the areas where they can afford to live.
 
2012-12-14 07:54:27 PM  

Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.


And these same people will complain when schools offer free breakfast/lunch programs during the summer months.
 
2012-12-14 07:54:44 PM  

Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.


Fed children are smarter children, jackhats...
 
2012-12-14 07:54:52 PM  

blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.
 
2012-12-14 07:56:07 PM  

Pincy: Indubitably: big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.

Which adds to the deficit, amirite?

FO.

And these same people will complain when schools offer free breakfast/lunch programs during the summer months.

The most important time...

 
2012-12-14 07:57:33 PM  

revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.


Yes it is. Realize how much food gets wasted every day in the food service industry, how much food gets thrown out in grocery stores. We could easily produce enough food to ensure that no person in the USA is starving. . .but we don't, because there is a profit to be made. Dollars before humanity, and sick farks like the Farkers on here who talk about how corporations have a duty to make money for their shareholders instead of doing what is best for humanity are part of the problem.

The fact that we have heartless amoral assholes like Lsherm who support children going hungry in the name of "rules are rules" is a problem this country has.

So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system, but language barriers were meaning a kid was going hungry. Do you really think if she'd told her supervisor or school administration that a kid was going hungry because his parents couldn't understand the Free Lunch forms because of a language barrier that anything would happen? No, nothing would happen, just administrators would make sure all policies were followed to the letter, and their behinds were covered from potential litigation.

School administrations in the USA over the last decade or so have become synonymous with "zero tolerance", the idea that rules are rules, and it's better to obey rules blindly and without thought than to actually judge anything on a case-by-case basis.

Yeah, technically and legally she was stealing school property, or some shiat like that, but she was doing something in the name of justice, of the greater good. If you honestly would let kids go hungry because paperwork needs to be filled out, because rules-are-rules, then you are a sad, pathetic waste of a human life and I genuinely wish you will find enlightenment, if not now, in your next incarnation.
 
2012-12-14 07:57:43 PM  

SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?


It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.
 
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2012-12-14 07:59:31 PM  

carnifex2005: Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...


but they don't get chocolate Malk with vitamin R
 
2012-12-14 07:59:50 PM  
Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.
 
2012-12-14 08:00:21 PM  

Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.


Or they could just add him to the free lunch program and be done with it.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:03 PM  
How can I make this clear?

Feed the children ALL OF THE TIME.

Apologies for the all-caps, but I'm serious here.

This is a no=-brainer.

*)

P.S. Thank you.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:41 PM  

Pincy: shtychkn: Weaver95: Lsherm:
Oh go fark yourself, you farking idiot. I know you're unemployed, so you're bored.

you sound mad.

She tried to do the right thing, and instead of keeping with it, she let the kid run up credit he didn't have until they called her on it, then she let him have food without running his card so she and he wouldn't get into trouble. She didn't keep trying to get the kid back on the program.

She farked up. She tried to do the right thing at first, didn't follow up, then she didn't break just one policy, she broke two trying to keep food in that kid's mouth. If she had bothered to ask anyone for help to get him back on the free program, she would still have a job and that kid would still be getting fed....

and as we all know, it's FAR more important to follow The Rules than it is to be a decent f*cking human being. smash the weak! starve the poor! hey, it's what Jesus wanted from his followers, right?

I totally agree. That's why I feed the homeless by taking them to the grocery store and telling them to eat any thing they want, the store will cover the cost. Costs me nothing and I go to bed knowing that I did something to help the hungry.

I'm sure you know the difference between a taxpayer funded public school that is supposed to take care of kids and a for-profit grocery store. I mean, I have to believe you do.


That's what the cheese sandwich is for. She was giving away the food that wasn't free.
 
2012-12-14 08:01:48 PM  

johncb76006: ShannonKW: Giving away things that do not belong to you is not charity.

It is if You're a Democrat.


Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will be fed for life.

But you should shut the fark up, when you have done neither.
 
2012-12-14 08:02:30 PM  

buckler: Do you believe that the child in question was starving?

I believe that if he or she were deprived of food when it was available to give, that could constitute the definition if she or he were hungry.


"Starving" to you is defined as being deprived of food when one is is hungry? That's a pretty damn marginal notion of starvation (e.g. it means you're "starving" every time you go for a long stroll and leave your wallet at home) particularly considering that the kind "hunger" you're referring to is a desire for lunch. I'd see your point if you were referring to malnutrition, but then again, giving food to a person who is suffering from frank malnutrition would amount to a lifesaving effort, and the law would probably excuse it if the food didn't belong to you. Is that what's happening here? It matters -- there's a big ethical difference between giving food to people who need and giving food to people who want it.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:12 PM  

big pig peaches: Pincy: big pig peaches: revrendjim: The United States of America is by far the wealthiest nation on Earth. The fact that we even have hungry children is a moral failing.

If a kid goes hungry it's the parents that who failed. The are any number of programs, public and private they can avail themselves of. It just takes a little effort, like filling out a damn form.

Yes, yes, yes, it is the parent's fault, we all know that. Now how the hell does that help the kid who is going hungry?

Child services.


So, when I was younger, I rented a home in a fairly stable neighborhood. Our neighbors moved in and since the property was family owned, they paid no rent. The couple had four kids - three in diapers. The eldest was a six year old. There were quite a few days when I'd drive home and see the children playing in the streets. It turns out - the parents would leave the six year old in charge. And she was raised with very little supervision.

When I called child services, I was informed that unless I had the parents' names - they would be unable to help. Even if I gave them the address. Even if I knew the names of each child.

If this is your solution then you're also an idiot.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:21 PM  

PsiChick: Lsherm: For fark's sake, she let his balance run up, THEN had him stop running his card so it wouldn't register on the balance.

She had the right solution in the first place - get the kid back on the free meal program. I said that. Instead of following up on that, she actively circumvented every control she knew about to give him free food without trying to compensate anyone for it.

She was right, then she was wrong. Be realistic.

Erm...the kid couldn't fill out the paperwork, and the parents weren't. I don't know what world you live in, but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

Should she have paid for them? Yes. But firing her isn't the right response either--we can tailor punishment to fit the crime.


I never said she should have been fired, I said she farked up. I'm going to bold something you said because it's been my point since the beginning:

but sometimes parents don't take care of kids, either because they can't or won't.

And the lunch lady, correctly, tried to fix that. Then she dropped it. The lunch lady isn't responsible for getting that kid on the free food program. She also isn't responsible if the kid isn't on the food program. If she had passed her concerns up to people in the school system who are actually responsible for it, that kid would be back on the free food program.

This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.
 
2012-12-14 08:03:31 PM  

carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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I was inspired...

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2012-12-14 08:04:52 PM  

thamike: [mymishmashmind.files.wordpress.com image 425x320]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food?"


Because they spent their money on beer and cigs, got to have priorities.
 
2012-12-14 08:04:52 PM  

Jgok: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in Sweden...

[i.imgur.com image 850x508]

School lunch in South Korea...

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

School lunch in the USA... 

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

I was inspired...

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To feed well


America can do it, free of charge.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:14 PM  

Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,


No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:36 PM  
see, there really is no such thing as a free lunch.
 
2012-12-14 08:05:42 PM  

Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.


You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.
 
2012-12-14 08:06:12 PM  

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


So, sometimes unorthodoxy rules?

Heh.
 
2012-12-14 08:07:12 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.


Because if you give a mouse a cookie then it'll want a glass of milk. They've got to learn about bootstraps. We should be cutting education, anyway. Costs too much money. Not enough left in the budget for war. Adam and Eve ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE. There's a reason we're not born with knowledge. It's the way God intended it.

/am I doing it right?
 
2012-12-14 08:07:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.


Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. listen to me.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:04 PM  

big pig peaches: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow

If you gave a meals like these to American kids they would throw it in the trash and hit the vending machines.


I seriously doubt it. I imagine there would be a select few who would opt out of the fee, non-overly processed, nutrient rich meal. These are probably the kids that show up with 3 lunchables, 2 sodas and a cup of pudding (and an apple that goes in the trash or to a friend). That is a whole different ball game as these children aren't malnourished. They are just a product of a family with poor life/health practices.

Stick a truly hungry child (or anyone for that matter) in front of any of those other countries school lunches and watch them eat. They might start slow but then you'll see their body relax. Probably get a real big smile a bite or two in when they finally slow down enough to chew and enjoy flavor. You can almost see the warmth of the food spread throughout them, physically and mentally.

I used to ride my bike around at night with a flashlight, panning it back and forth near parking meters to find the glint of change so I could buy a snickers. Rice and ramen (sometimes with a bit of corn) is not nourishing. Especially when you are a growing child. To this day I can't stand sweets. My body was fiending so bad for something other than carb/starch I would gobble that snickers like a 2$ whore slamming a john's bag of coke.

I'm sure most of the kids ya'll are bashing are in similar or much worse situations than I was.

/Favorite part of going to Burger King after school was eating the pickles and tomatoes that friends didn't want on their burgers.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:21 PM  

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.

Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. listen to me ...


Can't remember who said it or in what thread, but to paraphrase, "Conservatives would rather let a hundred kids starve because there is the possibility that one kid may take advantage of the system."
 
2012-12-14 08:09:27 PM  
The fact that we have delusional assholes like Silverstaff who don't understand how to feed large groups of underprivileged children speaks to the weakness of our future, because left to his own devices he'd rather have no system at all.
 
2012-12-14 08:09:51 PM  

iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.


Seconded!
 
2012-12-14 08:13:40 PM  

Pincy: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Lsherm: Rent Party: What if you change the rules so hungry kids can eat?

What if you fully fund school lunch programs so every kid can have at least one nutritionally significant meal in a day?

What if we treated the nice lunch lady doing the right thing as a figure to be admired and modeled ourselves after her compassion?

Did you even read the story? He was part of the free lunch program, and he didn't renew because his parents dropped the ball. The lunch lady tried to get them to renew, but they didn't.

What you're missing is THAT THE KID WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE FREE LUNCH PROGRAM! He had food for free - lunch lady didn't have to provide it. Then it stopped. Then she tried to get them to sign up again, and they didn't. Then she started giving away free food.

The program already existed!

Also:

spmkk: it's important to note that she wasn't taking these lunches from anyone that wasn't willing to give them away. The kid wasn't officially getting them for free not because he wasn't entitled to them, but because his parents lagged on the paperwork. In other words, she was "stealing" food from a party that was willing (and had actively offered) to give it away for free...or in plain English, she wasn't stealing.

Motherfarker, thank you for making sense. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except that they keep track of students/food in the program, so she really farked up keeping him from swiping his card.

Still doesn't excuse her not sending it up the chain to solve the problem.

You and spmkk are totally clueless. Nobody was willing to give food away for free. The food service, Chartwell, was willing to be paid by the USDA to serve food to poor kids without charging them. The USDA requires paperwork or it won't pay Chartwell.

EVERY kid should get a free lunch? Even if he arrives at school in a Mercedes, wears new LaCoste shirts and $200 sneakers, and packs an iPhone 5? GTFO.

Yes, if appropriate tax laws are in place, i.e. ...

Agreed.

 
2012-12-14 08:13:42 PM  

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


She did try to use the system but couldn't force the child's parents to rely on it. Having no other immediate solution, she made the feeding the child her priority. This was the right call.
 
2012-12-14 08:14:45 PM  

Lsherm: Silverstaff: So, the lunchlady tried to work through the system,

No, she didn't. That's where she farked up.


Yes she did.

From TFA: " She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: "I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn't happen," she says."

She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

Lsherm:
This entire thread is going to break down into two types of people: people who realize a system needs to be in place to feed hungry kids, and people who want to feed kids but don't understand you need a system to do it.


We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids. The system had a glitch, a language barrier between the students family and the forms needed to keep the kid receiving free lunches, so somebody had to step beyond the system and make sure he got fed.

Then the "rules are rules" and "zero tolerance" brigade known as School Administration fired her. Fortunately, public outrage from people with their hearts in the right place put enough pressure on those soulless admins.
 
2012-12-14 08:17:34 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: wild9: Damn, that was a sad story. Especially "I don't think any kid should be hungry. I don't. And it's my belief that some of these kids who go to school and get meals, that may be the only meal they eat that day."


When my son was a child I used to volunteer for the USDA's summer lunch program and yes, that was often the case with some of the children who attended.  Two brothers in particular, ages 7 & 5, came to the park every single day for lunch.  Since we sometimes had extra lunches, these two would eat as quickly as they could in the hopes they could get a second lunch since this was the only food they had all day.  Skinny little guys too, who couldn't afford to lose even a couple of pounds and ate like a couple of starving animals.  I always wondered if they went the whole weekend without eating and hoped someone fed them.


I see this all the time at my kids' school. We have a backpack program where students who qualify--they often get free lunches--get backpacks full of food on Fridays to take home. They are donated by local food banks, charities, churches, and they bring the empty backpacks back on Monday and pick them up again on Friday. If they did not, the kids would have not enough to eat or nothing to eat until they got to school again on Monday.

The backpacks are nothing special. They look like anything any other kid would carry. No one knows what they are. Kids can put their books and stuff in them, so if they are opened, it looks likes books and pencils.

When my son's class has a party, I always donate twice what I am asked to so that parents who cannot afford to do not have to worry about their kids not being able to participate. There was a time when I was on the receiving end of that kindness. I really appreciated it. I came early to set up, served the food, and cleaned up. I thought, they paid for the stuff my kid is enjoying, the least I could do is let them enjoy the party and I do the icky work.

She did the right thing. She may have planned to give the money out of her check, or take up donations and money out of her check, but was not given a chance to. A child should never go hungry.
 
2012-12-14 08:21:03 PM  
Dear Lunch Lady,

In the Spirit of Christmas, we have reconsidered your firing. In the future, leave your heart at home. You will be watched.

Sincerely,
Your employer

P.S. Whereas it takes 37 muscles to frown, and 22 to smile, in the future, please assume a blank face. Your cooperation will be appreciated.
 
2012-12-14 08:21:49 PM  

Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.


The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.


Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.
 
2012-12-14 08:22:13 PM  
I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

As a side note, everything else was provided in the school, as well, all art and writing supplies, etc. I was surprised because I was used to back-to-school shopping, which wasn't necessary.
 
2012-12-14 08:24:41 PM  
Note to establishment: clean up your act now.

P.S. Or else.
 
2012-12-14 08:25:32 PM  

swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

As a side note, everything else was provided in the school, as well, all art and writing supplies, etc. I was surprised because I was used to back-to-school shopping, which wasn't necessary.


Save your breath. This is the US of A. We have nothing to learn from other countries because we are the best at everything.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:00 PM  

Sum Dum Gai:

Reminds me of one of the kids whose lunches I used to buy. Parents qualified for free lunches but wouldn't accept it because they were too proud to take any "government help". Hardly right that the little girl should suffer because her parents would rather she be hungry than fed by the government.


I'd have called Child Protective Services. That's neglect: "I know my kid's hungry but I choose not to accept food for her". I would wonder if that attitude extends to Medicaid and necessary medical care, too.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:28 PM  
"They throw away more food than they give out"
This is true, but there's a reason, and it's not the fault of the company. You can thank the litigious society for it. Consider this.
The company has a bunch of left-over food after an event, and give it away. Someone who grabs some of the free food later claims they got food poisoning from it and sues. Their insurance company won't cover a potential loss, because the terms only protect against 'food sold.'
Thus, they throw the food away to protect themselves from that legal liability. Remove that legal liability, these companies would eagerly 'donate' the remaining food and take the tax deduction.
 
2012-12-14 08:26:41 PM  

Indubitably: Note to establishment: clean up your act now.

P.S. Or else.


P.P.S. What do I mean by or else? Well, I mean, the proles will. Word.
 
2012-12-14 08:27:50 PM  
thamike:
[Mitt god damn Romney]

"Why didn't he just ask his parents for food buy the food services company with borrowed money, restructure the company and sell off the assets, and after repaying the loan use the profits to hire another personal chef for one of his houses?"


To think America almost made that man its leader...  *shudder*
 
2012-12-14 08:29:01 PM  

EasyOsey: Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.


That's awesome. This almost makes me wish I had a kid.

/almost
 
2012-12-14 08:30:02 PM  

iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.


Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!
 
2012-12-14 08:30:05 PM  

Jgok: carnifex2005: Lsherm: scottydoesntknow: She was trying to protect him from the bullying: a cruel side dish to the default cheese sandwich given to kids without lunch money.

It's sad when prisoners are fed better

Federal prisoners, maybe. As someone who spent an awful weekend in a New Orleans jail back in the 90's - nope. We got five potato chips each as breakfast the first morning.

Reminds me of something I saw on Reddit...

School lunch in Finland...

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School lunch in Sweden...

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School lunch in South Korea...

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School lunch in the USA... 

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I was inspired...


I am jealous of korea right now.

That is better than my lunch as an adult.
 
2012-12-14 08:30:24 PM  

swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?


I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.
 
2012-12-14 08:30:38 PM  

vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.


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2012-12-14 08:31:12 PM  

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


No you don't. Just subtract it from the DoD.
 
2012-12-14 08:31:50 PM  

Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.
 
2012-12-14 08:32:31 PM  
How could you possibly look into a childs eyes and say " sorry I can't feed you, your paperwork isn't completed'. Shame on all you hard ass by the book admin nazi bastards. Feed the kids. Just farking feed them.
 
2012-12-14 08:34:11 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!


Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Lead by example, chatchie, misspell intended...
 
2012-12-14 08:34:20 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?
 
2012-12-14 08:34:53 PM  

Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.


No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?
 
2012-12-14 08:35:18 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Here's a random, loony, moonbat leftard idea... but why don't we just give all kids the school lunch for free? We already pay for them to be educated through tax revenues; I doubt it'd add too much to the ol' tax liability to give them a couple of bucks worth of chicken and rice and canned green beans a day, and we'd save on the bureaucracy of running a "free school lunch" program. Just hand each kid a meal ticket in their classroom (to keep the little piggies from double-dipping) and be done with it. Then you don't have to worry about sad sacks like this kid not getting enough to eat.

 
2012-12-14 08:35:21 PM  

Precision Boobery: vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

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Your deflection is dumbassery.
 
2012-12-14 08:39:50 PM  
The national School Lunch Act was established as a way to prop up food prices by absorbing farm surpluses, while at the same time providing food to school age children. Regardless of who provides the food, the raw materials come from USDA as donated commodities; in the case of vended meals, the caterer must use and credit the school for the commodities received. For a child to qualify for a free school meal their parent or carer must be receiving particular qualifying benefits. A child in receipt of any of these qualifying benefits in their own right is also eligible to receive free school meals.

Now see why 'Lunch Lady Dianne' was confused?

Empathy can sometimes be confused with sympathy.
 
2012-12-14 08:40:48 PM  

Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.


True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.
 
2012-12-14 08:41:39 PM  
Captain Hindsight says yes, the lunch lady could have done things differently. Call me overly emotional, but I don't think I could look an obviously hungry kid in the face and tell him/her that the rules won't allow them to eat.

/has been hungry
//suspects that most (if not all) posters are eating at least three times a day
///really don't like kids much...ha!
 
2012-12-14 08:42:37 PM  

Lsherm: I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.


Maybe seeing the cold, soulless, sadistic posting you made, heartlessly supporting kids going hungry has PISSED ME THE fark OFF!

Yeah, I'm angry right now, I was a little angry at the story, but a helluva lot angrier at your response. I sure as hell hope you're just some farking troll, just out there to get lulz like some election season partisan hack or just being a cut rate version of randomjsa or tenpoundsofcheese, because if you're a real human being thinking these things, then that's a truly sad thing.

I'm angry that people could say the things you've said with a straight, emotionless face. Tell that kid that he can't get enough food because his parents no habla ingles so they can't fill out the form.

I'm angry because there is a Principal out there who thought the same way you do, who chose to get into a field where he'd be around children all day, but have zero compassion or humanity and be an embarrassment to homo sapiens.

You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

Yeah, the kid could have got a plain cheese sandwich. Two slices of white bread and a sliver of government cheese. You think that's enough food? You think that's going to keep a kid from going hungry? You think that's going to do a damn bit of good, when for a lot of those kids that's the only food they'll get all day? Free hint: for an awful lot of kids on free school lunch, that's the only food they'll get all day.

The woman was a hero, she deserves praise, not firing.
 
2012-12-14 08:42:59 PM  

UseTheForksLuke: The national School Lunch Act was established as a way to prop up food prices by absorbing farm surpluses, while at the same time providing food to school age children. Regardless of who provides the food, the raw materials come from USDA as donated commodities; in the case of vended meals, the caterer must use and credit the school for the commodities received. For a child to qualify for a free school meal their parent or carer must be receiving particular qualifying benefits. A child in receipt of any of these qualifying benefits in their own right is also eligible to receive free school meals.

Now see why 'Lunch Lady Dianne' was confused?

Empathy can sometimes be confused with sympathy.


As I read your post, I felt like I was a beef on a conveyor...

Nicely lofted.

*)
 
2012-12-14 08:43:01 PM  

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?


Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.
 
2012-12-14 08:44:13 PM  

Precision Boobery: vrax: Feeding a child should never be considered a bad thing.

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OK, OK...
 
2012-12-14 08:45:36 PM  

Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.


Yeah. It's a pity no one keeps track of how many kids are at a school.
 
2012-12-14 08:45:37 PM  

Lsherm: PsiChick: Lsherm:

It's not a logical extreme because she was gaming the system, but absent the system, that kid goes hungry.


And as much as I'm pro feed the child no matter what I have to agree with this. While it is a shame that the system isn't already in place, there have been many systems that are now in place that weren't before. Most of these new systems, let's call them civil rights or suffrage, took minor infractions of the established law to come to fruition.

I think I'm fine with a lunch lady bilking 45 bucks. Hell, I hope she was helping more kids and this is just the tip of the iceburg. Ten, or multiples of ten, kids getting fed off of the public dime. Maybe lunch ladies across the Nation should start supplying free lunch regardless. Throw those biatches (and creepy men ones) in the Klink!

It's a new lunch counter folks. Lets start marching.
 
2012-12-14 08:47:34 PM  

blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?


While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.
 
2012-12-14 08:49:39 PM  

Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.


And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.
 
2012-12-14 08:49:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.


So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?
 
2012-12-14 08:51:10 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Lsherm: swingerofbirches: I went to public school for a year in Sweden, and the meals there were better than what you could find in most restaurants. Everyone pays for the lunches through taxes, not at the point of eating the lunch--it was a dining room, not a cafeteria.

Why go through the hassle of collecting $2 per kid every day and not just budget for it?

I think you need a number of people you're feeding before you can budget for it. Kinda shoots your argument down.

Yeah. It's a pity no one keeps track of how many kids are at a school.


He also seems to be under the impression that school lunches are made to order, as opposed to a premade amount of food prepared based on an estimate of consumers.
 
2012-12-14 08:51:28 PM  

SearchN: Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.

True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.


And what if they are simply bad parents? We place the burden on parents and if the child has crappy parents, the child is deprived.

Our system is broken. Arguing that the parents are to blame fixes nothing. We need a system that doesn't rely on everyone having a minimum degree of parenting skills in order to avoid punishing the child.
 
2012-12-14 08:53:39 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.

And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


And that's why you're an asshole.

If I were you, I would know everyone on my watch. I would know their smile and their frown. I would know why they came to teach that day. To feed is to teach, dumbass.

You show your lack of professionalism everyday.

And everyone sees it.

To lead
 
2012-12-14 08:54:00 PM  

blunto: The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.


A PlayStation can be had for $15 these days and I actually see a free 65" TV on Craigslist at the moment. I mean, as long as you don't mind rear-projection. You copy-paste this line from 1994 or something?
 
2012-12-14 08:56:59 PM  

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.

So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?


You're still deflecting responsibility from the lunch lady. I'm going to move on to correspondents who are not stuck in a loop. You are boring as well as wrong.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:13 PM  

Bontesla: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?


I was surprised we were discussing it from the git-go.
 
2012-12-14 08:57:26 PM  
Stupid lady, if we don't have poor people then we can't have rich people and rich people are good people...so obvious. duh!
 
2012-12-14 08:57:49 PM  
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Who can say no to such a cute face?
 
2012-12-14 08:59:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: blunto: Bontesla: blunto: Considering the family is probably receiving welfare or some sort of assistance, how hard is it to use that money to buy some peanut butter and slap it between two pieces of bread? There is no reason a parent can't make a kid some sort of lunch no matter how poor, especially when it's supplied by the government.

The poorest people in this country still have 42" televisions and playstations.

You're an idiot. I thought you should know that so when people look at you like you've said something stupid, you can offer them that explanation.

No, you are willing to ignore the fact that no one has to take responsibility for anything anymore. If you have a kid, why can't you take responsibility to feed him? Why does a lunch lady have to be put in a position to be fired to do what the parent should be doing?

While you have grand ideas for personal responsibility, a child is being deprived of an adequate meal. Please proceed to froth about on your soapbox. Self-righteousness is obviously very important to you. Why actually work to fix the biggest problem (unfed child) when you can continue stomping your feet?

The lunch lady weighed two ethical principles aware that she was going to violate one of them.

And totally ignored the third ethical choice: to bring the situation to the principal's attention.

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


It's easier and more effective to ask for forgiveness than permission. So, you let 50 bucks slide and the child can eat. If you raise this up the chain - an official response may take a week. Then that's merely for the response. That's not for the solution which takes longer.

Further - it's a rather poor assumption that the principal would help. It's also a rather poor assumption that she wouldn't face repercussions for stepping outside her job.
 
2012-12-14 09:00:53 PM  
At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:41 PM  

Silverstaff: Lsherm: I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

Maybe seeing the cold, soulless, sadistic posting you made, heartlessly supporting kids going hungry has PISSED ME THE fark OFF!

Yeah, I'm angry right now, I was a little angry at the story, but a helluva lot angrier at your response. I sure as hell hope you're just some farking troll, just out there to get lulz like some election season partisan hack or just being a cut rate version of randomjsa or tenpoundsofcheese, because if you're a real human being thinking these things, then that's a truly sad thing.

I'm angry that people could say the things you've said with a straight, emotionless face. Tell that kid that he can't get enough food because his parents no habla ingles so they can't fill out the form.

I'm angry because there is a Principal out there who thought the same way you do, who chose to get into a field where he'd be around children all day, but have zero compassion or humanity and be an embarrassment to homo sapiens.

You don't have a problem with kids starving, because rules are rules and there is bureaucracy to be followed, the kid can just go hungry in the meantime.

Yeah, the kid could have got a plain cheese sandwich. Two slices of white bread and a sliver of government cheese. You think that's enough food? You think that's going to keep a kid from going hungry? You think that's going to do a damn bit of good, when for a lot of those kids that's the only food they'll get all day? Free hint: for an awful lot of kids on free school lunch, that's the only food they'll get all day.

The woman was a hero, she deserves praise, not firing.



While I do agree that she deserves praise, not being fired, please take a moment to scroll back up the thread and read about her firing being retracted.  She'll be back to work this Monday.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Bontesla: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

As a general rule of thumb: if your choices are letting a child starve or breaking the rules... Then breaking the rules becomes the morally right action.

I'm actually rather surprised we're actually discussing this, aren't you?

I was surprised we were discussing it from the git-go.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-14 09:01:51 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: iron_city_ap: MayoBoy: My kids are in the same district and when I read about it in the news this morning I went to the school to give them 100.00 to put in his lunch account. The secretary politely told me thank you but everything and everyone is taken care of.

Got an email from the Superintendent a few minutes ago that she and Chartwells had a little discussion and she starts back on Monday.

Awesome gesture on your part (Seriously. Bravo), but fark them. The only reason they 'took care of it' was because of the bad press that would have cost the Superintendent his/her job. You can't say the principal wasn't aware of their 'empty bowls' (scroll down a little and look on the right) program to raise awareness for the hungry? Hopefully the principal is out of the office full time. Had this never made the news, that kind lady doing the right thing would be out of a job. I can't respect that kind of decision making on the principal's part.

Or maybe the principal would have been aware of the situation sooner IF THE LUNCH LADY TOLD HIM!

Maybe the principal should have such a relationship with the LUNCH LADY that he could ask her about such things, no? To be in power is to ask. Ask indicates awareness, dumbass. Must I teach you this?

Right. The principal has to report to the lunch lady every day for a briefing.

You have a bad case of halo effect. Lunch lady did one thing right, so she can do no wrong.

So, as you bark Asshole-Non-Leader, what would you like your epitaph to be? To be too important.

P.S. There is a difference between leading and managing, no, Mr. Banker?

You're still deflecting responsibility from the lunch lady. I'm going to move on to correspondents who are not stuck in a loop. You are boring as well as wrong.


And you deflect everything in a Pollyanna attempt at rectifying your own dysfunction.

Reality is.
 
2012-12-14 09:02:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


I know, but I wasn't expecting this to blow up into one of the other mongo threads tonight. And I'll be honest, I don't know why I keep going with it. I still think the lunch lady farked up, and I'll stand by it, but it's meaningless it in the overall scheme of things. I don't really have a good reason for pressing the point.

I'm having a bad day because I followed the rules but something extraordinarily bad/good/mediocre is going to happen to me on Monday, so I guess I was seeking comfort in defending the system, because the system is the only thing that's going to save me now. Not someone who games the system - the system itself. If the system doesn't work for people who work within it, then what good is it?

It's an existential crisis, if you will allow it. Either it's going to work for me, or I'm toast. So I NEED "the system" to work. Maybe it's faith, maybe it's delusion, and maybe it's both.
 
2012-12-14 09:07:49 PM  

Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.

I know, but I wasn't expecting this to blow up into one of the other mongo threads tonight. And I'll be honest, I don't know why I keep going with it. I still think the lunch lady farked up, and I'll stand by it, but it's meaningless it in the overall scheme of things. I don't really have a good reason for pressing the point.

I'm having a bad day because I followed the rules but something extraordinarily bad/good/mediocre is going to happen to me on Monday, so I guess I was seeking comfort in defending the system, because the system is the only thing that's going to save me now. Not someone who games the system - the system itself. If the system doesn't work for people who work within it, then what good is it?

It's an existential crisis, if you will allow it. Either it's going to work for me, or I'm toast. So I NEED "the system" to work. Maybe it's faith, maybe it's delusion, and maybe it's both.


God I hate the system so very much. It has never worked for me despite my reliance on it.

I hope you have better results.
 
2012-12-14 09:08:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Silverstaff: She did what she could within the system. Once it was clear that that didn't work, she had to work beyond the letter of the law to make sure people got fed and things got taken care of. It's called basic human compassion. It's a trait you seem to lack. I hope you can develop it one day.

The article doesn't include her asking any of the school administrators to follow up. And for a free lunch program - that's not "lunch lady" duties, that's administration. The kid was still being fed, but she wanted to prevent him from being bullied, so she gave him more food for free, and encouraged him to avoid swiping his card so there wasn't any record of it.

Silverstaff: We do have a system in place to feed hungry kids. It's called a school cafeteria, it's very efficient at providing at least marginally passable food to kids.

Indeed - go back and read the article. He was still able to get free food, but she didn't want him to get bullied for it. He wasn't going to starve.

I realize that you are incapable of responding to anything without emotion, but maybe you should go read that article again.

No matter how hard you try, you sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but face it: You sound like a dick who would rather follow rules than allow a kid to be fed. The lunch lady was trying to be nice and didn't follow the rules and she got shiatcanned--and you're coming across as the meanie here.

Give up, because even if you're right, you're wrong here. Sometimes following rules is not the right thing to do even when it IS the right thing to do. And this is one of those cases.


Something to consider here is how vague "the kid was being bullied" is. That doesn't say anything at all about the degree of bullying, how the kid was handling it, etc. Maybe the lunch lady really thought this was necessary to protect him, in a more immediate and time-restricted sense than waiting to tell her boss and see how that shook out. Maybe she was just lazy/worried how that would go.
 
2012-12-14 09:11:11 PM  
spmkk
From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.

Doesn't appear you are much into the whole reading comprehension thing either. TFA clearly said the brat would have been fed.

You can't give away product that doesn't belong to you. You want to sponsor this kid, great! I commend you. But theft is theft.
 
2012-12-14 09:14:04 PM  
America where you have to second guess yourself before letting a child starve. Pretty freaking pathetic
 
2012-12-14 09:14:51 PM  
Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on.
 
2012-12-14 09:15:02 PM  

OnlyM3: spmkk
From the sound of it, she couldn't afford to pay for the kid's lunches. She was trying to affect a long-term solution, but she realized that in the interim, the kid needed to eat. She also realized that if she didn't feed him, he'd go hungry. I'm not big on the whole Robin Hood thing in general, but in this case her actions are perfectly defensible and in fact honorable.
Doesn't appear you are much into the whole reading comprehension thing either. TFA clearly said the brat would have been fed.

You can't give away product that doesn't belong to you. You want to sponsor this kid, great! I commend you. But theft is theft.


Quit being an asshole. See good hearts and minds as much as you don't...*)
 
2012-12-14 09:17:40 PM  

AlgertMan: At my nieces school so many kids were signed up for free meals they just said "fark it" and all kids get free breakfast and lunch. I think it should be like that anyway.


Yeah, have it be "Opt Out". Hand out a form at the beginning of the year: "If your child does not require a school lunch, please check here." [ ]
 
2012-12-14 09:17:51 PM  

stirfrybry: Why does the left always use appeals to emotion as arguments? The lady "helped" the young child by giving away stuff that was not hers to give away. The lefty response to this is "OMG, you're an evil person who hates children".

WTF? Grow up and find a real argument to stand on.

 

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2012-12-14 09:20:48 PM  
Our priorities are so screwed up in this country. No kid should have to stress about lunchtime (do I have enough money? have my parents turned in the forms? will I get bullied for eating the scarlet letter sandwich?). They should just get fed.
 
2012-12-14 09:21:47 PM  
How many kids got killed today? Not even in Connecticut, but in China. Maybe not China. They just got stabbed viciously. What about the rest of the world. How many kids lost their teeth as a crappy AK kicked hard enough to knock their teeth out on the Thai/Burma border? Kids living in the sewers of Bogata. Beaches used as bathrooms because the tide washes it out. Kids being firebombed in Bogata.

Seriously. I understand all of these sides of the argument. But there shouldn't even be an argument.
Most of my family are farmers, ranchers and railroad folk from Nebraska. So much food goes to waste. So much energy.

Our country should be able to feed everyone, children or adult. Hell, give the loser on the side of the street the plastic sandwich of shame. Give the little ones in school something that actually nourishes them. Fills them up with enough pride, energy and will to go defy those piece of shiat parents they have at home.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest toast to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

If this isn't still true then dismantle the farking statue.

Our country was built through strength. The strength of a people, many peoples, leaving what they thought was a shiat deal. I know it was built on the strength of the individual. But, times change.

We don't have to be socialist to take infractions against our collective agreement as "Americans" as bad. If we're going to be the world police then let's act like it. Sudan.

FARK...I feel like I'm channeling Cartman.
/No, my pot pie
//well, I haven't fed you in 3 days so you can have a taste.
///Damn You Ayn Rand!!!

////Libertarian. Take care of your kids. fark you. If you can't take care of them they are now my assets. I shall grow them for you.
 
2012-12-14 09:23:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.


I love it when people who think crime, such as stealing, and killing anyone who disagrees, is the answer to all the world's problems.
You've managed to approve of both in one post.

Congrats.
 
2012-12-14 09:24:25 PM  
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.

Kid isn't being fed
State provides "Safety Net" for these case and parents don't care enough about their kid(S?) to get them into the net.

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark
 
2012-12-14 09:25:09 PM  

EasyOsey: Kid got to eat, lady got her job back, hopefully parents get help...sometimes the "right" solutions are not the best way to handle a problem. My 1st grade son was coming home everyday for a few weeks saying he only ate half his snack because he shared it with another kid that never has a snack. Regardless of the reason, it's not kids fault, so I just started packing double the snacks since I can easily afford it.

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Glad to see my kid has empathy - sure he got it from his mom.

 
2012-12-14 09:26:45 PM  

BarkingUnicorn:

Great heart, weak brain. That's why she's a lunch lady.


I really hope this is a troll, because that's just mean spirited and exactly what is wrong with our country (and maybe even humanity to some extent). This whole looking down on people, having to feel superior to people, you don't even know, I see this too much. Someone who cares about the job they perform, do it well, and brighten other people's day, are too far and few between. We need more people like this lunch lady. Less people like the administration and catering company that fired her.
 
2012-12-14 09:26:49 PM  

Bontesla: SearchN: Snapper Carr: SearchN: No, no it wouldn't. That would be a solution, but not an optimal solution.

/Teach a man to fish..
//Why yes, I have sat down with friends from other countries and assisted them with tasks in English, why do you ask?

It is an optimal solution for the school - they have no means to compel this child's parents to learn English, so the best they can do is ensure that the parents have access to some form of bilingual support to ensure that they at least understand what's happening when their child is in school and can do their part to ensure that he receives the needed assistance.

True, from the schools point of view.

Looking at it though, I find it hard to believe the parents can't find anyone in their circle of friends, neighbors or co workers who would be unable to sit down with them for a few minutes and help.

And what if they are simply bad parents? We place the burden on parents and if the child has crappy parents, the child is deprived.

Our system is broken. Arguing that the parents are to blame fixes nothing. We need a system that doesn't rely on everyone having a minimum degree of parenting skills in order to avoid punishing the child.


Won't argue that point. It's possible the kid forgot the papers. It's possible the kid was embarrassed and didn't want to tell his parents. Most likely though they are just bad parents.

As to the 'our system is broken' part of it.. Sure seems that way. I wonder how we got there.
 
2012-12-14 09:29:50 PM  

OnlyM3: Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2012-12-14 06:17:00 PM

I love when there's someone who comes in and says "The rules are there to be followed. She should have done that instead of doing the right thing." and then tells us how he always obeys the law and bends over and takes it up the ass like a good citizen.

People like this are usually the ones who can't understand what went wrong when their heads are falling into the basket.
Kid isn't being fed
State provides "Safety Net" for these case and parents don't care enough about their kid(S?) to get them into the net.

Why are liberals not shouting to have these kids removed to a safe environment? Are we waiting to find these kids in the bottom of the bathtub? Instead we get trolls posting pictures of politicians that have nothing to do with it.

*waits for post to be deleted as it doesn't agree with DNC take over of fark

To deDerp

 
2012-12-14 09:32:06 PM  
I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to be fired ever will be. Not only did she accept being fired for it, SHE SAID SHE'D DO IT AGAIN.

Think about that for a minute. The lunch lady is what is right in this world.
You rules are rules farksticks are the ones that are dragging the rest of the world down.
 
2012-12-14 09:33:33 PM  
Gee, why don't we just give all the poor kids free lunch at school? Oh...wait...we DO give all the poor kids free lunch at school, it's just their parents cant be bothered to fill out a bit of paperwork. Dumbasses.
 
2012-12-14 09:35:14 PM  

buzzcut73: I like the principled stands some people are taking in here..."If it isn't yours to give away, it is theft."
Yeah, maybe, but let me tell you, this lunch lady is WAY more ethical than anybody who believes she deserved to b