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(ESPN)   The NHL lockout is bothering everyone so much even Barack Obama is pushing for both sides for a new CBA agreement   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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815 clicks; posted to Sports » on 14 Dec 2012 at 8:46 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-12-14 09:46:44 AM  
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wxboy: CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?

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2012-12-14 05:41:42 PM  
1 vote:
Is Obama president of Canada now, who cares? I cared the last time they cancelled a season but now I want to see the NHL go down in flames for their greed and stupidity.
2012-12-14 12:41:41 PM  
1 vote:

Flappyhead: The other week when it was direct talks between owners and players, the latter was shocked to find out just how many of the former had no frigging idea what had been discussed and proposed since the lockout began.

In fairness, it's also in their interest to paint the owners as completely incompetent as a group within the media. And it's not like Fehr's groups have been worried about being honest in the media throughout this whole deal (see: pretending deals were imminent over and over).
2012-12-14 11:30:53 AM  
1 vote:

bluorangefyre: I blame Donald Fehr just because the man should still, 18 years later, be dragged out into the streets of Montreal and flogged for the baseball strike ruining their one and only shot at glory. Nevermind the fact that the owners and Bettman are the ones who locked the players out, I hold Donald Fehr 110% responsible for this mess, no matter how right he might actually be this time.

Your anger is misdirected.
If you were an Expos fan are are mad at anyone, it should be Jeffrey Loria.
2012-12-14 11:21:29 AM  
1 vote:

kdawg7736: I wish they could just resolve this whole darn thing. I hope I don't have to resort to just college basketball or even the NBA this winter.

The most frustrating thing is that they seem to be pretty close. However, no one seems to want to move from their positions at this point. It feels like the douchiest game of chicken ever.
2012-12-14 10:59:41 AM  
1 vote:

wxboy: CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?

Yes, between the NHL league and the NHLPA association.
2012-12-14 10:51:17 AM  
1 vote:

MugzyBrown: Here is my plan in glorious detail:

Hockey fans are not soccer fans. If you "relegated" the Montreal Canadians for any number of missed playoffs, Montreal citizens would riot, march to New York, and burn NHL headquarters.

Hockey players are not soccer players. They have been known to play with broken legs, feet, hands, etc. They work like hell to get to the big show. They would flee relegated teams for perennially successful teams. You would institutionalize a permanent two-tier league.

Hockey owners are not soccer owners. They cannot afford a league without a salary cap. The senior league would have to have one. The junior league, well, one way that this might work is if there were a salary cap on the senior league but no salary cap on the junior league. Although this would have to be modeled to see it's effect. Still might not work.
2012-12-14 09:59:00 AM  
1 vote:
I believe the due to regional nature of the sport, the league model is flawed and is only 'major' US sports league that can benefit from a more European set up. Here is my plan in glorious detail:

Key concepts:

2 separate leagues - NHLa and NHLb (for now)
No salary caps
All ticket sales, merch, and regional media deals are 100% kept by the teams
All national TV deals are split equally.. however, you negotiate 3 TV deals. One for NHLa which is split by those teams, NHLb split by those teams, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs, split only by the teams who qualify


*16 teams, 2 divisions of 8. Initially selected by some formula including past history, current success, and financial factors
*NHLa teams remain in NHLa unless they miss the playoffs for 3 consecutive years. If you miss for 3 consecutive years, the team is dropped to NHLb and however many teams from NHLb is promoted


*Current teams and you can expand this league to 30+ if you want. All of the cities in Canada who want a team like Hamilton or Quebec can now get an NHLb team and the franchise fees are split amongst NHLb teams.
*All entry players are drafted by NHLb teams, NHLa does not participate in the draft. All players get a automatic 3-year contract slotted by draft position. NHLb teams can trade or sell players to NHLa teams
*NHLb will have some sort of aggregated point system to determine who will advance once a NHLa spot is open


NHLa division winners get 1st round bye
2, 3 & 4 from each division enter the playoffs
Top 2 NHLb teams also qualify for the Stanley Cup playoffs.

There is a separate NHLb bracket that the top 2 NHLb teams can be dropped back into if they get eliminated from the Stanley Cup Playoffs. (think Euro League/Champions League)

Benefits to the NHLa Owners: They'll probably get a bigger TV deal due to better, more interesting matchups and don't have to split their local revenues.
Benefits to NHLb Owners; Franchise fees, access to young talent they can groom and build, or groom and sell to make more money. They get access to the playoff pot when they qualify.
Benefits to players: NHLa teams will pay big bucks and won't have a cap to stop them. NHLa teams close to being dropped will spend even bigger bucks to stay up.
Benefits to fans: Fans of NHLa teams get good hockey every night. No more games vs the Panthers. Fans of NHLb teams get screwed some for sure, but they'll will have to get amped when their team gets in the playoffs and knocks off a top level team..who knows, maybe make a big run with their young talent.
2012-12-14 09:46:29 AM  
1 vote:

thecpt: Can anyone give insight on how Commissioners maintain their jobs? Honestly, I have no clue what these guys have to do to get fired. Stern, Goodell, Bettman all seem to be awful at there jobs. While I don't follow NBA and NHL that closely I know that Goodell at least qualifies as someone who needs to hand in a resignation letter, but what I've seen from the NHL is a complete failure to even make the sport happen.

Easy, they work for the owners, not the fans.
2012-12-14 09:43:58 AM  
1 vote:
CBA agreement

Collective Bargaining Agreement agreement?
2012-12-14 09:19:44 AM  
1 vote:
We've got to keep the Canadians busy. National security is at stake.
2012-12-14 08:54:59 AM  
1 vote:
Let it go man, it's gone. 2 lost seasons in just a few years time. Maybe the next hockey league won't be so stupid.
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