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2012-12-11 07:16:39 PM  
Who would shoot a mall?
 
2012-12-11 07:19:07 PM  
That place can not exist.
 
2012-12-11 07:22:52 PM  
Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.
 
2012-12-11 07:24:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That place can not exist.


It does. And it's rather close to my house. About 20 miles or so.
 
2012-12-11 07:27:11 PM  
Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?
 
2012-12-11 07:28:37 PM  

gopher321: Who would shoot a mall?


Maybe it was a gun mall
 
2012-12-11 07:30:35 PM  
What a horrible thing to happen when people were just trying to celebrate the birth of Clacka.
 
2012-12-11 07:43:50 PM  
God, guns and guts.
 
2012-12-11 07:45:27 PM  
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this will be evidence that everyone on the internet has always been correct about whatever their opinion on guns is.
 
2012-12-11 07:48:56 PM  
 
2012-12-11 07:49:47 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.


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/oblig
 
2012-12-11 07:50:03 PM  
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2012-12-11 07:50:06 PM  
was it an ironic gun??
 
2012-12-11 07:50:13 PM  

aimtastic: What a horrible thing to happen when people were just trying to celebrate the birth of Clacka.


I was just about to make an inappropriate and ill-timed joke about the War on Clackamas, but I see it would be redundant.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:14 PM  
Heh. Merry Clackamas!
 
2012-12-11 07:50:28 PM  
Clackamas, more like Clackamassacre.


amirite?
 
2012-12-11 07:50:30 PM  
Ah, Clackamas Town Center. The "Town Center" is a mall. There's an Olive Garden and everything.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:48 PM  
As someone who works in retail and wants Christmas shoppers dead, I will point out that this is not the way to go about things.

/Snark aside, stay safe Portland people
 
2012-12-11 07:50:49 PM  
for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:56 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Gun legislation only affects people who procure the weapons through legal channels--most criminals don't buy their weapon at the local gun shop.
 
2012-12-11 07:50:58 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Not if you're Bob Costas.
 
2012-12-11 07:51:04 PM  
Malls in the month of December are rage inducing...
 
2012-12-11 07:51:05 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.


I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.
 
2012-12-11 07:51:12 PM  
Is it too early for Portlandia jokes?
 
2012-12-11 07:51:17 PM  
I have been informed that Bi-Mart is the place for Christmas savings.
 
2012-12-11 07:51:48 PM  
Who cares? Two people just died in a car accident two cities away from me. Should I submit that with a BREAKING NEWS!!!!!ONE111!!! tag?
 
2012-12-11 07:51:49 PM  
 
2012-12-11 07:52:05 PM  
Live coverage brought to you by Bi-Mart, where everyone is a switch-hitter.

/Pray this doesn't get any worse than it's already been reported.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:12 PM  
Somebody really wanted that Wii U.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:38 PM  

davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.


Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:44 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


It's never too early for gun control advocates to spout smug, sanctimonious, and vague suggestions that amount to 90s-era Brady Campaign pipe dreams.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:47 PM  
Clackamas is a county, not a suburb. Once it gets annexed, it will be part of Milwaukie.

Xtreme food fight. Pity the link isn't to a local website, katu needs the exposure.

//Yes, I do shop there occasionally.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:48 PM  

Silly Jesus: Who cares? Two people just died in a car accident two cities away from me. Should I submit that with a BREAKING NEWS!!!!!ONE111!!! tag?


Two dead, for to seven more confirmed shot.
 
2012-12-11 07:52:49 PM  
msnbc says shooter "neutralized."
 
2012-12-11 07:52:50 PM  
He snapped when someone wished him Merry Clackamas for the 10,000th time.
 
2012-12-11 07:53:10 PM  
Clacka died for your sins.
 
2012-12-11 07:53:12 PM  
The shooter is "neutralized" according the local police. That's an awesome phrase.

Reminder: Pray for Omarion.


/subby
 
2012-12-11 07:53:12 PM  
They're right, you know. Now is not the time to talk about gun control. The time to talk about gun control was Yesterday. #Portland

- Josiah Bartlet (@Pres_Bartlet) December 12, 2012
 
2012-12-11 07:53:42 PM  

Silly Jesus: Who cares? Two people just died in a car accident two cities away from me. Should I submit that with a BREAKING NEWS!!!!!ONE111!!! tag?


That depends. Did someone SHOOT THEM to cause the accident?

No?

Then, no.

Accidents happen. Shootings in a mall are news.
 
2012-12-11 07:53:48 PM  
I have friends and even some family members who will say this could have been avoided or ended quickly if there were more people carrying weapons in the mall.
 
2012-12-11 07:53:57 PM  
Save us, Bob Costas! Save us...
 
2012-12-11 07:54:01 PM  
For gods sakes people, if your going to go on a killing spree, use a farking sword, or a flamethrower at least! Every farking time you shoot a gun the rest of us have to hear the farking whining for weeks and frankly thats worse than any family deaths.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:01 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Some tweets.



I don't care how I die, so long as "I'm stuck in the back room of build a bear!" are not my last words to the world.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:07 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Exactly how would you enforce this? House to house searches?

moops: Ah, Clackamas Town Center. The "Town Center" is a mall. There's an Olive Garden and everything.


Olive Garden? It was a mercy killing.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:13 PM  

ronaprhys: davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.

Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.


I was mostly impressed he knew what an ar15 is.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:18 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.


Funny
 
2012-12-11 07:54:29 PM  
Use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers HAS been approved.

/This mall has EVERYTHING
 
2012-12-11 07:54:37 PM  

ronaprhys: davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.

Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.



One person is confirmed dead.
 
2012-12-11 07:54:49 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:04 PM  
Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:19 PM  
Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:25 PM  
Mall shootings are so over.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:34 PM  
I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.
 
2012-12-11 07:55:54 PM  
Wasn't me.
 
2012-12-11 07:56:12 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Some tweets.


I don't care how I die, so long as "I'm stuck in the back room of build a bear!" are not my last words to the world.


Better than being stuck with Bubba the bear who is trying to enter your "back room".
 
2012-12-11 07:56:39 PM  

WhoIsWillo: They're right, you know. Now is not the time to talk about gun control. The time to talk about gun control was Yesterday. #Portland- Josiah Bartlet (@Pres_Bartlet) December 12, 2012


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They lost, Ernesto.
 
2012-12-11 07:56:46 PM  

Mrbogey: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.


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2012-12-11 07:56:49 PM  

Pharacyde: I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.


Because you'd totally engage a shooter and take him out, right?
 
2012-12-11 07:56:49 PM  

some_beer_drinker: for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.


We actually have laws against criminals, kids and crazy people having guns. It's almost as if people who are out to commit murder don't care about breaking the gun laws. Weird.

/waiting to see if this is drug/gang related
//yes, even in Portland.
 
2012-12-11 07:56:55 PM  

Mrbogey: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.


So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.
 
2012-12-11 07:56:59 PM  
Thoughts, prayers, tragedy, etc.
 
2012-12-11 07:57:07 PM  
Wonderful time of year for a slay ride
 
2012-12-11 07:57:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: ronaprhys: davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.

Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.


One person is confirmed dead.


How does that change the general inaccuracy of reporters with regards to firearms, especially around breaking news?
 
2012-12-11 07:57:10 PM  
http://www.katu.com/news/live if you want a direct feed.
 
2012-12-11 07:57:11 PM  
as a cranky redneck I have no problem with guns

can we please try harder to keep 'em out of the hands of whackjobs?
 
2012-12-11 07:57:17 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

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2012-12-11 07:57:32 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc says shooter "neutralized."


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That's not helpful. It took place in the food court. The shooter could have been using any one of these products, possibly in combination. 

/yeah I'm an asshole
/good thoughts for the traumatized
 
2012-12-11 07:57:56 PM  

Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.


Shoot apparently was wearing body armor...

/Portlander
//Never go to sketchy Clackamas
 
2012-12-11 07:58:26 PM  
Kid and grand kid live in Portland, puts a lump in one's throat.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:39 PM  

ronaprhys: Bathia_Mapes: ronaprhys: davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.

Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.


One person is confirmed dead.

How does that change the general inaccuracy of reporters with regards to firearms, especially around breaking news?



It was several witnesses that described the gun.  The reporters were just passing on what the witnesses said.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:39 PM  
One of the victims' names is Gary.
Here is his pic:
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Rip
 
2012-12-11 07:58:42 PM  

some_beer_drinker: for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.


but, but, if you outlawguns, only outlaws will have guns!!!!111ELEVENTY!!! It isn't possible to completely eliminate guns from a culture!!!! oh wait - Link
 
2012-12-11 07:58:45 PM  
Yikes.
 
2012-12-11 07:58:58 PM  

MayoSlather: Mrbogey: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.

So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.


wonderful strawman. well played.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:12 PM  
clancifer


Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Not at all. Can we have a rider that bans murder?
 
2012-12-11 07:59:15 PM  

beerbaron: Exactly how would you enforce this? House to house searches?


He said "responsible gun legislation," not "confiscation of any and all firearms"
 
2012-12-11 07:59:17 PM  
2012: The Year Everyone Got Shot
 
2012-12-11 07:59:21 PM  

MayoSlather: So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.


No, my argument is that people who want to ban guns aren't able to comprehend how silly their arguments are due to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

We have a prohibition on arming criminals in America. We make sure non-criminals can arm themselves.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:26 PM  
They're OK.
 
2012-12-11 07:59:50 PM  

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc says shooter "neutralized."

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That's not helpful. It took place in the food court. The shooter could have been using any one of these products, possibly in combination. 

/yeah I'm an asshole
/good thoughts for the traumatized


oh what a relief it is!

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2012-12-11 08:00:05 PM  
The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:14 PM  
meh, "And I am sure that I never read any memorable news in a newspaper. If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter - we never need read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications? To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, and they who edit and read it are old women over their tea." -Thoreau
 
2012-12-11 08:00:19 PM  

Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.


I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:24 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Pharacyde: I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.

Because you'd totally engage a shooter and take him out, right?


There have been several instances where people do. (Frequently it doesn't become news because once the second guy pulls a gun the would-be criminal decides to go elsewhere and leaves suddenly without shooting anyone.)

Funny thing that.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:32 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: ronaprhys: Bathia_Mapes: ronaprhys: davidphogan: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

I keep hearing assault rifle, nothing more specific yet. Reporter just said AR15.

Considering the accuracy rate of the local media, that means it was likely an Airsoft pistol.


One person is confirmed dead.

How does that change the general inaccuracy of reporters with regards to firearms, especially around breaking news?


It was several witnesses that described the gun.  The reporters were just passing on what the witnesses said.


Also the discarded magazine found on the floor. That was from the earliest reports.

/now it's just twitter streams filled with prayers. Really helpful.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:32 PM  
So how would chucklefark here do this with a knife, as is the cute bullshiat false comparison? I wish I had that Tom Tomorrow strip handy.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:35 PM  

BeerGraduate: One of the victims' names is Gary.
Here is his pic:
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Rip


Gary don't shop!
 
2012-12-11 08:00:46 PM  
Hot lead is the new coal.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:50 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: It was several witnesses that described the gun.  The reporters were just passing on what the witnesses said.


And when I actually see pictures of the firearm, I'll see if that's correct. Until then, I'm going to wait for actual confirmed facts. Too much derp occurs right after these things.
 
2012-12-11 08:00:57 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


*Live in the year 2012*
*Still believe that criminals obey laws*
 
2012-12-11 08:01:19 PM  
Oh, this shiat again. Let's hope the death toll doesn't rise. Right around Clackmus too, gok damn.
 
2012-12-11 08:01:26 PM  

cuzsis: some_beer_drinker: for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.

We actually have laws against criminals, kids and crazy people having guns. It's almost as if people who are out to commit murder don't care about breaking the gun laws. Weird.

/waiting to see if this is drug/gang related
//yes, even in Portland.


Gang-related would make more sense at Lloyd Center.
 
2012-12-11 08:01:32 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.


Ha!

Take care over there. I used to live over there too.
 
2012-12-11 08:01:58 PM  

MrKoon: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

Shoot apparently was wearing body armor...

/Portlander
//Never go to sketchy Clackamas


I'd guess it wasn't Kevlar but more likely a tactical vest, like the Colorado movie shooter.
 
2012-12-11 08:02:23 PM  
The shooter was neutralized by La Fours.
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2012-12-11 08:02:39 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


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2012-12-11 08:02:56 PM  

signaljammer: Kid and grand kid live in Portland, puts a lump in one's throat.


Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Brother in law, two nieces and a nephew all live in Portland.

Hope no one was shopping at Clackytown.
 
2012-12-11 08:03:15 PM  

Tarl3k: but, but, if you outlawguns, only outlaws will have guns!!!!111ELEVENTY!!! It isn't possible to completely eliminate guns from a culture!!!! oh wait - Link


Japan: A culture that when a disaster struck and many were left homeless and hungry there was little crime and virtually no looting.

America: A 20% sale will cause people to stomp octogenarians to death and then sue the store for making them do it.
 
2012-12-11 08:03:15 PM  
the swiss are laughing at the idea that lots of guns are the problem.
 
2012-12-11 08:03:27 PM  

Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.


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Oblig #1
 
2012-12-11 08:03:41 PM  
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Yay morbid fascination!

/Virtuosity
 
2012-12-11 08:04:02 PM  
Yikes! Used to live over there and have an ex who has yet to respond to an SMS sent out a couple moments ago. Scary stuff.

/area is known as Felony Flats if I recall correctly
 
2012-12-11 08:04:15 PM  

Fista-Phobia: [c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com image 500x281]


Hey! Fox Newz learned how to count to five!
 
2012-12-11 08:04:18 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.


Glad you're okay. Did you hear/see any of it?

Apparently the shooter screamed, "I'm the shooter" before opening fire.
 
2012-12-11 08:04:57 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.



Glad you're okay.
 
2012-12-11 08:05:04 PM  
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2012-12-11 08:05:20 PM  

Somacandra: i.imgur.com

Oblig #1


What exactly is the point of writing a webcomic if you just use the same picture over and over?
 
2012-12-11 08:05:25 PM  
In before 500 comments saying this is because of pussy libs and gun control.
 
2012-12-11 08:05:30 PM  
What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?
 
2012-12-11 08:05:36 PM  
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2012-12-11 08:05:37 PM  

KhamanV: So how would chucklefark here do this with a knife, as is the cute bullshiat false comparison? I wish I had that Tom Tomorrow strip handy.


um, this guy managed to kill 8 people with a knife. wouldn't that make a knife more dangerous?

Link
 
2012-12-11 08:05:50 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.


Are You real???
 
2012-12-11 08:05:54 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Somacandra: i.imgur.com

Oblig #1

What exactly is the point of writing a webcomic if you just use the same picture over and over?


Guess you're also not a fan of Dinsaur Comics. Sad, really, because those are awesome.
 
2012-12-11 08:06:13 PM  
Oh, Paul Blart II?

/electric boogaloo....
 
2012-12-11 08:06:15 PM  
link fail
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044368750457756451282640 6 388.html
 
2012-12-11 08:06:20 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.


Glad you're okay!
 
2012-12-11 08:06:32 PM  
I'd run, too if I was in Fuego.
 
2012-12-11 08:06:40 PM  

ronaprhys: MayoSlather: Mrbogey: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.

So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.

wonderful strawman. well played.


I liked it.
 
2012-12-11 08:07:03 PM  

wildcardjack: www.troll.me


In Clackamas there's little to no chance it was a hipster.
 
2012-12-11 08:07:08 PM  

Mrbogey: MayoSlather: So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.

No, my argument is that people who want to ban guns aren't able to comprehend how silly their arguments are due to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

We have a prohibition on arming criminals in America. We make sure non-criminals can arm themselves.


I thought it was the Kruger-Brent Effect

// obscure
 
2012-12-11 08:07:16 PM  

Cats_Lie: Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.


WRONG! The Ice Rink is the Lloyd Center.
 
2012-12-11 08:07:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


Link

Mass shootings are statistically rare though.
 
2012-12-11 08:07:27 PM  
More likely than a good citizen with a gun taking out a random shooter or assassin before he can do heavy damage, I think we'll see a story in some area with a lot of conceal carry where 3 people try to play heroes, all end up shooting each other out of their confusion and inability to process the situation beyond thinking "this is it, this is my moment to prove why I've been doing this!" and then the actual gunman gets away.

Naturally the loss of life would be sad, but it'd be one of the more productive losses of life in terms of proving points.
 
2012-12-11 08:07:56 PM  

davidphogan: lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.

Glad you're okay. Did you hear/see any of it?

Apparently the shooter screamed, "I'm the shooter" before opening fire.


I was downstairs at Macy's. I didn't see anything but heard the gunshots and ran with some people into a store.
 
2012-12-11 08:08:16 PM  
Should have gone to Lloyd Center
 
2012-12-11 08:08:37 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


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Oblig TMW #2

I'm a fan of firearms myself, but I agree along with Mr. Tomorrow: I don't understand why bullets are available for purchase over the Internet and Sudafed is not. There is something profoundly wrong with that. Bullets are as deadly as Meth.
 
2012-12-11 08:08:38 PM  

Combustion: Cats_Lie: Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.

WRONG! The Ice Rink is the Lloyd Center.


There used to be an ice rink in Clackamas TC as well. It closed in 2005-2006.
 
2012-12-11 08:08:55 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Never after a senseless mass shooting. Since there's one or two a week, well the problem just takes care of itself
 
2012-12-11 08:09:00 PM  

MrKoon: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

Shoot apparently was wearing body armor...

/Portlander
//Never go to sketchy Clackamas


It's not a video game, even wearing body armor you're gonna hurt taking a shot in the armor. A broken rib, possible internal injuries.

cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


As someone already pointed out, there was a sign saying that no guns were allowed in the mall. So that's a reason why no one returned fire this time. Though a bigger reason why is that we have law after law after law preventing where law abiding citizens can legally carry fire arms, creating areas where criminals can carry weapons knowing full well that no one can legally shoot back at them. Make the gun control laws as simple as "No one who is a felon or has documented mental illnesses can even attempt to purchase/carry/own a firearm" and then we can allow law abiding citizens to defend themselves without fear of legal reprisal. Because honestly, I'm sure a few people in that mall tonight were wishing that of all the times to have a gun to defend themselves, tonight was that night.

The biggest problem with gun control laws is that it assumes criminals follow the laws.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:17 PM  

Kit Fister: What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?


Or his parents suspected something was wrong with him but didn't say anything.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:30 PM  
It's funny because I'm buying a house five miles from there.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:43 PM  

Mike_LowELL: What exactly is the point of writing a webcomic if you just use the same picture over and over?


Cause its funny. Like Archer.
 
2012-12-11 08:09:43 PM  

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.

Link

Mass shootings are statistically rare though.

http://gunssavelives.net/

looks legit........
 
2012-12-11 08:10:09 PM  

Somacandra: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

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Oblig #1


I typically like his comics, but that one really had to stretch.
 
2012-12-11 08:10:33 PM  

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.

Link

Mass shootings are statistically rare though.


Here's another (a robbery this time).

Link
 
2012-12-11 08:11:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


Internet NRA tough guys are probably busy pushing children out of the way to escape
 
2012-12-11 08:11:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Guess you're also not a fan of Dinsaur Comics. Sad, really, because those are awesome.


They are, but I don't know any about guns. Of course, if I was a dinosaur I'd just eat the shooter and the gun. So it doesn't matter, really.
 
2012-12-11 08:11:15 PM  
Better yet, Costas (getting his material from another writer) will blame malls.
 
2012-12-11 08:11:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc says shooter "neutralized."


They took him to the vet?
 
2012-12-11 08:11:43 PM  
If everyone in the mall had been packing heat, the death toll would have been much lower.
 
2012-12-11 08:11:55 PM  

clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:02 PM  
His daughter wanted that pink castle thing.
 
2012-12-11 08:12:14 PM  
FFS, how many of these incidents do there have to be before someone in Washington finally bans malls?
 
2012-12-11 08:12:29 PM  

Kit Fister: What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?


What tipped you off? Was it the hockey mask?
 
2012-12-11 08:13:00 PM  

Somacandra: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

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Oblig TMW #2

I'm a fan of firearms myself, but I agree along with Mr. Tomorrow: I don't understand why bullets are available for purchase over the Internet and Sudafed is not. There is something profoundly wrong with that. Bullets are as deadly as Meth.


You can use multiple bullets for range practice etc. Nobody has a cold requiring several boxes of Sudafed? Seems kinda absurd to compare the two. Mr. Tomorrow is really reaching on this subject matter and he looks like a jackass.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:02 PM  

Pharacyde: I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.


Neither do I. At least not that one. As long as the place is not designated "no carry" by statute--the worse they can do is throw me out--and that's if anyone ever saw it. But no way I'm going to a mall during the holidays without mine.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:11 PM  
In Clackamas no one can hear you tweet.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:16 PM  

Pharacyde: Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.


I feel more like I do now than I did before.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:16 PM  
Gak, mass shootings in mall food courts. Could be in Toronto and see that crapola.

Probably not as gang related as ours was though, more like a lone crazy than a stupid gangsta with very bad aim. We had a few gangstas with terrible aim in our neck of the woods this year.

At any rate, sounds very scary for those around.
 
2012-12-11 08:13:52 PM  
Keep it real Southeast Portland!
 
2012-12-11 08:14:24 PM  

fusillade762: Kit Fister: What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?

What tipped you off? Was it the hockey mask?


No, it was the desire to go to a mall during the holiday season...
 
2012-12-11 08:14:27 PM  

Great Janitor: As someone already pointed out, there was a sign saying that no guns were allowed in the mall.


I think you misread that. CTC has never had signs like that that I have seen. Someone else mentioned their local mall doesn't allow them.
 
2012-12-11 08:14:49 PM  

BlippityBleep: the swiss are laughing at the idea that lots of guns are the problem.


And sane people are laughing at you.

/When we're not crying about you.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:18 PM  

fusillade762: Kit Fister: What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?

What tipped you off? Was it the hockey mask?


Apparently the shooter yelled, "I'm the shooter!" as he walked into the mall.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:27 PM  

Mrbogey: Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?


For those actually curious...

Murder rates by country, according to the UN
 
2012-12-11 08:15:32 PM  

lvl0rg4n: The Eclipse in the theater parking lot is me! Not able to leave yet. Biggest accomplishment of the day: not pissing my pants during a shooting. I didn't get to buy my boots either.


Don't listen to him,here's from a 4n Org who sees victory between two walls.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:35 PM  
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I have a dream most nights. It starts on a playground. There's kids swinging, laughing, dogs barking, butterflies just flapping their little wings. And then you hear a rumbling, and over the horizon comes a black cloud and it's made of cancer and pus. And it starts sweeping over the playground and everyone starts screaming and clawing their eyes and pulling at their hair, and saying "Help! What do we do?" And you know what happens next? Out steps me wielding the biggest farking shotgun you've ever seen in your whole life. And you know what I do? I blow every farking thing away. And I am getting God's work done. When it's all over and the dust has settled, the whole world gathers below me and they say, "Thank you, Ronnie, thank you for helping, being a great man and doing this for us." And you know what I say? "You don't need to thank me. I'm just a guy with a gun. I'm just a cop."
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Neutralized.
 
2012-12-11 08:15:35 PM  
Police scanner says they're currently looking for his accomplice.
 
2012-12-11 08:16:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


The obvious answer is that the killers, rarely lacking in intelligence but always lacking in humanity, note that firearms are banned where they plan to kill their victims, thus providing a lot of helpless targets. You see, when there are signs posted that state that firearms are not permitted, law-abiding citizens tend to obey them, being law-abiding and all, and they tell the shooters that they are good to go at their leisure. So there's your answer: nobody stops it because they don't have the means thanks to laws that provide nothing more than the illusion of safety.

Note that nobody tries this shiat at gun shops. Just saying.
 
2012-12-11 08:16:27 PM  

TommyymmoT: Police scanner says they're currently looking for his accomplice.


Awww shait
 
2012-12-11 08:17:12 PM  
MY FORK MADE ME FAT!!!!!
 
2012-12-11 08:17:49 PM  

eddievercetti: TommyymmoT: Police scanner says they're currently looking for his accomplice.

Awww shait


They've been sweeping the mall for two hours believing there are other shooters. No witnesses I've heard have mentioned more than one, just sounds like people gave different descriptions for the same guy. Some said Guy Fawkes mask, some said hockey, and at least one said it was a paintball mask.
 
2012-12-11 08:17:59 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?


Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.
 
2012-12-11 08:18:02 PM  

dukeblue219: Mrbogey: Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

For those actually curious...

Murder rates by country, according to the UN


Believe violent crime was what they were talking about with that post, not murder rates.
 
2012-12-11 08:18:12 PM  

Kit Fister: What's the over/under on finding out the guy has mental health issues and/or was already suspected to be a danger to himself or others by some psychiatrist?


On the first part, 100%. A mentally stable person does not shoot up a mall under any circumstance.

On the second part, who knows?

It's another sad shooting in the U.S. and these types of shootings will be a recurring theme until we collectively decide to have a culture shift. Until then, my only advice is don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
2012-12-11 08:18:34 PM  

o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.


The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun
 
2012-12-11 08:18:44 PM  

davidphogan: eddievercetti: TommyymmoT: Police scanner says they're currently looking for his accomplice.

Awww shait

They've been sweeping the mall for two hours believing there are other shooters. No witnesses I've heard have mentioned more than one, just sounds like people gave different descriptions for the same guy. Some said Guy Fawkes mask, some said hockey, and at least one said it was a paintball mask.


So Jason Vorhees got out Camp Crystal Lake?
 
2012-12-11 08:18:57 PM  
How many people could he have stabbed in the same amount of time?
 
2012-12-11 08:19:37 PM  
....Dad?


/wouldn't be surprised
 
2012-12-11 08:20:00 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Note that nobody tries this shiat at gun shops. Just saying


Yeah. At gun shops, they just accidentally kill their own children.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:03 PM  

GRCooper: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: msnbc says shooter "neutralized."

They took him to the vet?


They sprayed him with enzymatic cleaner.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:17 PM  

BeerGraduate: One of the victims' names is Gary.
Here is his pic:

Rip


I used to be a Gary, but then I took a sharp knee to the ... wait, nevermind, I'm still a Gary

/f'realz
 
2012-12-11 08:20:38 PM  
BREAKING: They just found the first machine gun clip
 
2012-12-11 08:20:42 PM  
Thanks to those dead and wounded and their families and loved ones for their sacrifices to the Second Amendment. The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots, after all.
 
2012-12-11 08:20:55 PM  
Probably more NFL Players.
 
2012-12-11 08:21:04 PM  
Granted you can't grow guns, but with nearly 300 million in private hands in the US, they aren't going anywhere.

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2012-12-11 08:21:04 PM  

davidphogan: eddievercetti: TommyymmoT: Police scanner says they're currently looking for his accomplice.

Awww shait

They've been sweeping the mall for two hours believing there are other shooters. No witnesses I've heard have mentioned more than one, just sounds like people gave different descriptions for the same guy. Some said Guy Fawkes mask, some said hockey, and at least one said it was a paintball mask.


They gave out a description of the alleged accomplice.
Black, 17, 5'10" male.
 
2012-12-11 08:21:12 PM  

Somacandra: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

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Oblig #1


Actually, quite a number: Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics.
 
2012-12-11 08:21:17 PM  
I cannot takes this too seriously until I find out if Clackamas is a real place name or not.
 
2012-12-11 08:21:19 PM  

Combustion: Cats_Lie: Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.

WRONG! The Ice Rink is the Lloyd Center.


Wrong. Clack used to have an ice rink, where Tanya Harding practiced regularly.

/met her once
//what a coont
 
2012-12-11 08:21:29 PM  
If I still lived in Oregon I'd probably have been at that mall tonight.

Tuesdays were my "visit the Apple Store" night, even thought I worked for a reseller.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:02 PM  

dukeblue219: Mrbogey: Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

For those actually curious...

Murder rates by country, according to the UN


wow, hong kong with only 17 murders, always kinda wanted to live there
 
2012-12-11 08:22:08 PM  

ghare: Thanks to those dead and wounded and their families and loved ones for their sacrifices to the Second Amendment. The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots, after all.


Dude... shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:14 PM  

dukeblue219: For those actually curious...

Murder rates by country, according to the UN


Someone says violent crime... you say murder. Move that goalpost.

orclover: Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.

Link

Mass shootings are statistically rare though.
http://gunssavelives.net/

looks legit........


The news was real. It was simply the first link to the story.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:25 PM  

someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.


Something tells me you're not too familiar with the type of licensing and regulations that are required of gun retailers in this country...
 
2012-12-11 08:22:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


it probably doesn't occur to you that of the hundreds of thousands of incidents each year where firearms are used to defend life and property, it is reasonable to believe that a mass shooting such as this is prevented by deterrence and the elimination of the threat before things get ugly. Jack Bauer doesn't swing into action at the mall, sprint through crowds running the opposite direction, duck behind a trash can and double-tap the perp in the head.

Shame that in an instance like this, all the police can do is pick up spent casings and fill out paperwork.
 
2012-12-11 08:22:29 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I have friends and even some family members who will say this could have been avoided or ended quickly if there were more people carrying weapons in the mall.


Exactly. But seriously, how many people saw the man with the assault rifle in body armor and a hockey mask jogging through the mall. How many people could have tackled him or hit him with the closet large object? Nobody did that, I have a hard time believing that somebody would have shot him before he started shooting.
 
2012-12-11 08:23:04 PM  
Republicans support this.
 
2012-12-11 08:23:21 PM  
Has anyone yet ascertained whether the shooter was a Democrat who voted for 0bama?

/because you know, there is no such thing as a violent Republican
 
2012-12-11 08:23:43 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: BlippityBleep: the swiss are laughing at the idea that lots of guns are the problem.

And sane people are laughing at you.

/When we're not crying about you.


I'm going to be honest here: I don't give a shiat what the rest of the world thinks. If you don't live here and understand our culture and values, then your opinion on us and what we do doesn't count. I don't come to your country, pick something you like and tell you that it's bad and so forth.

Yeah, we gun owners are sad when had shiat happens. But we're not any more sad than home brewers are at drunk driving fatalities.

People do bad shiat. But we as a country don't punish the law abiding because of the criminals. And I'll be damned if I say "yes, let's ban guns on the off chance that it might stop one or two incidents out of the thousands of murders a year."

You want to stop violence? Find a way to fix the human race. Until then, stop blaming inanimate objects for the failure of mankind.
 
2012-12-11 08:23:47 PM  

GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun


People use legally acquired items for illegal purposes all the time. How would that matter? What you're attempting to assume is that had there been no legal firearms available that these shootings wouldn't have occurred. Unfortunately for you, that's patently false. Too many firearms exist, they're too easy to manufacture, etc. It's a practical impossibility to ban and remove all firearms.

You're also attempting to make life significantly harder for millions and millions of people who legally own and use firearms. Dick move, that.
 
2012-12-11 08:23:56 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Pharacyde: Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.

I feel more like I do now than I did before.


Are you quoting Yogi Berra or just channeling him?
 
2012-12-11 08:24:20 PM  

ghare: Thanks to those dead and wounded and their families and loved ones for their sacrifices to the Second Amendment. The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots, after all.


Amen, brother.
 
2012-12-11 08:25:12 PM  

aimtastic: What a horrible thing to happen when people were just trying to celebrate the birth of Clacka.


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2012-12-11 08:25:43 PM  
Why is the National Guard there?
 
2012-12-11 08:26:28 PM  

Old Man Winter: I cannot takes this too seriously until I find out if Clackamas is a real place name or not.


It's a county. We have plenty of odd county names out here.
 
2012-12-11 08:26:45 PM  
Scanner:
Mall is swept. Announce to anybody left, come out with your hands up".
 
2012-12-11 08:26:48 PM  
Decked out in camo & a hockey mask? I'm betting he doesn't play for the Winterhawks
 
2012-12-11 08:27:08 PM  

duffblue: Why is the National Guard there?


In case of college students.
They're murder.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:17 PM  

duffblue: Why is the National Guard there?


Mrs. Field's Cookies.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:42 PM  
Were they playing this on the PA at the time?

As someone already pointed out, there was a sign saying that no guns were allowed in the mall. So that's a reason why no one returned fire this time.

Of course - because it couldn't have been that there were a lot of innocent people running around who could be hit, or a lot of expensive property damage that you'd be responsible for, if you miss, or that the average person can't hit the broad side of a barn at 15 feet. Lets get a lot of people who are cranked on adrenalin opening up trying to be the hero. There is a reason guns are not allowed at the mall.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:46 PM  

spidermilk: AdolfOliverPanties: I have friends and even some family members who will say this could have been avoided or ended quickly if there were more people carrying weapons in the mall.

Exactly. But seriously, how many people saw the man with the assault rifle in body armor and a hockey mask jogging through the mall. How many people could have tackled him or hit him with the closet large object? Nobody did that, I have a hard time believing that somebody would have shot him before he started shooting.


From the reports he entered the mall, screamed "I am the shooter!" and opened fire. Not much chance to tackle him first. Maybe in the parking lot, but there are reports of people shot in the parking lot as well. Maybe they tried to tackle him.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:46 PM  
Too bad Portlanders are all a bunch of pussy liberals, an armed Real American(TM) could've taken down the suspect with one shot without a chance of accidentally hitting the panicking customers running about.

/should be pretty OBVIOUS that was sarcasm
//Not pro- or anti-gun. I own one but think it would be incredibly irresponsible to pull it out in a crowded, enclosed space like a mall.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:52 PM  
A shooting in Portland, OR you say?

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If it's a wessen, they're on the case. 

/going to Hell
//kidding aside, heart goes out to victims.
 
2012-12-11 08:27:58 PM  
He was forming a well regulated militia
 
2012-12-11 08:28:05 PM  

GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun


Aurora shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society

Giffords shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society.

So, better laws and programs in place to help mental health in this country and stop the dangerous people?
 
2012-12-11 08:28:19 PM  

ronaprhys: GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun

People use legally acquired items for illegal purposes all the time. How would that matter? What you're attempting to assume is that had there been no legal firearms available that these shootings wouldn't have occurred. Unfortunately for you, that's patently false. Too many firearms exist, they're too easy to manufacture, etc. It's a practical impossibility to ban and remove all firearms.

You're also attempting to make life significantly harder for millions and millions of people who legally own and use firearms. Dick move, that.


I like how your attack on my comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:25 PM  

duffblue: Why is the National Guard there?


For the BLOCKBUSTER CHRISTMAS SALE ALL THIS WEEK AT OLD NAVY silly.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:25 PM  

Old Man Winter: I cannot takes this too seriously until I find out if Clackamas is a real place name or not.



It is.  Named after the Clackamas Indian tribe.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Indians
 
2012-12-11 08:28:33 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: BlippityBleep: the swiss are laughing at the idea that lots of guns are the problem.

And sane people are laughing at you.

/When we're not crying about you.


do you have a counterpoint about how the swiss run an amazing country, they're peaceful, and just about everyone has an automatic weapon? or are you just sticking with character attack.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:36 PM  
Thing full of bullets.
Clip?
Magazine?
Rounds?
Shells?
 
2012-12-11 08:28:50 PM  
Clackamas. Clackamas. Clackamas.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:50 PM  
How awful.

I used to go to that mall every month or two when I lived in Oregon.
 
2012-12-11 08:28:55 PM  

Tarl3k: some_beer_drinker: for the love of god, please take the guns away from Americans, they are far too irresponsible.

but, but, if you outlawguns, only outlaws will have guns!!!!111ELEVENTY!!! It isn't possible to completely eliminate guns from a culture!!!! oh wait - Link


From the link:

"To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years."

We have almost the same process here in Australia, though we are allowed any firearms other than semi/automatics.

I like it. It's a tiny imposition considering the harm that firearms are capable of wreaking.

/firearm owner
 
2012-12-11 08:29:21 PM  
All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.
 
2012-12-11 08:29:25 PM  

Kit Fister: GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun

Aurora shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society

Giffords shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society.

So, better laws and programs in place to help mental health in this country and stop the dangerous people?


SOCIALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISM!1
 
2012-12-11 08:29:58 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Guess you're also not a fan of Dinsaur Comics. Sad, really, because those are awesome.

Somacandra: Cause its funny. Like Archer.


Eh, I'm indifferent to webcomics every which way. I would respond by saying "I could understand if the point of the single-image webcomic was to parody crappy webcomics", but I'm sure they've actually done that. From the perspective of a casual reader, I'm hardly in on that joke, though.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:16 PM  

GAT_00: ronaprhys: GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun

People use legally acquired items for illegal purposes all the time. How would that matter? What you're attempting to assume is that had there been no legal firearms available that these shootings wouldn't have occurred. Unfortunately for you, that's patently false. Too many firearms exist, they're too easy to manufacture, etc. It's a practical impossibility to ban and remove all firearms.

You're also attempting to make life significantly harder for millions and millions of people who legally own and use firearms. Dick move, that.

I like how your attack on my comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.


I like how your comment was completely useless and had nothing to do with the guy's comment you were responding to.

Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here. You come in an take any opportunity like this to try and prove your failed position.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:24 PM  
It was the terrible gun that made the shooter do it. It has mind control properties that the evil lizard people put in it.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:47 PM  

vudukungfu: Thing full of bullets.
Clip?
Magazine?
Rounds?
Shells?


Victim.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:53 PM  

Gleeman: How many people could he have stabbed in the same amount of time?


CTC food court at just shy of 4pm?

Probably a solid twenty. Wouldn't have missed so much. Also, people in Clackamas don't move very quick...except for the tweakers. It's like playing L4D with only Hunters and Boomers.
 
2012-12-11 08:30:57 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: Too bad Portlanders are all a bunch of pussy liberals, an armed Real American(TM) could've taken down the suspect with one shot without a chance of accidentally hitting the panicking customers running about.

/should be pretty OBVIOUS that was sarcasm
//Not pro- or anti-gun. I own one but think it would be incredibly irresponsible to pull it out in a crowded, enclosed space like a mall.


I know you were joking, but more Portlanders with CCW than I've met anywhere else I've spent time. It's really, really easy to get one as long as you don't apply in Multnomah County.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:27 PM  

FlyingJ: Decked out in camo & a hockey mask? I'm betting he doesn't play for the Winterhawks


Drinking coffee in a suburban Seattle mall getting ready to watch the Thunderbirds, so I got a kick.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:31 PM  
Scanner: Chasing a guy in a white Ford, wearing cammo, with a rifle.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:39 PM  

fusillade762: cameroncrazy1984: That place can not exist.

It does. And it's rather close to my house. About 20 miles or so.


We're all praying for you.
 
2012-12-11 08:31:57 PM  

someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.


Right, so punish the lawful, ignore the lawless and you have a very nice cardboard box to bloviate more nonesense in the town square.
 
2012-12-11 08:32:08 PM  

Kit Fister: GAT_00: o5iiawah: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

We should adopt Mexico's Gun laws, where there's only one place where they can be legally purchased, a store run by the military where you pretty much have to know someone to be allowed in to look around. There's never any gun crime there.

The Aurora shooting: legal guns. Congresswoman Giffords: legal gun

Aurora shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society

Giffords shooting: previously diagnosed mental illness and marked as a danger to society.

So, better laws and programs in place to help mental health in this country and stop the dangerous people?


This could not be more true.


"Oh but he was such a nice and quiet boy."
 
2012-12-11 08:32:11 PM  

ghare: Thanks to those dead and wounded and their families and loved ones for their sacrifices to the Second Amendment. The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots, after all.


BalugaJoe: Republicans support this.


Never let a body count hinder your right to troll the crap out of a thread. When you're on the wrong side of an issue just troll.
 
2012-12-11 08:32:17 PM  
The cookie stand is not part of the food court!!!111!!!1
 
2012-12-11 08:32:24 PM  
Picture from inside the mall. Not graphic, but could be disturbing.

Link
 
2012-12-11 08:32:25 PM  

beerbaron: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Exactly how would you enforce this? House to house searches?


Hey man, at this point liberals want responsible free speech legislation after that hateful youtube video caused the people of benghazi to spontaneously murder our Ambassador by shelling him with mortars they just happened to be carrying around.
 
2012-12-11 08:32:52 PM  

ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.


Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

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Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.
 
2012-12-11 08:33:08 PM  

davidphogan: spidermilk: AdolfOliverPanties: I have friends and even some family members who will say this could have been avoided or ended quickly if there were more people carrying weapons in the mall.

Exactly. But seriously, how many people saw the man with the assault rifle in body armor and a hockey mask jogging through the mall. How many people could have tackled him or hit him with the closet large object? Nobody did that, I have a hard time believing that somebody would have shot him before he started shooting.

From the reports he entered the mall, screamed "I am the shooter!" and opened fire. Not much chance to tackle him first. Maybe in the parking lot, but there are reports of people shot in the parking lot as well. Maybe they tried to tackle him.


There was also a report that he dropped a bag of ammo in the parking lot.
 
2012-12-11 08:33:13 PM  

Fark It: someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.

Something tells me you're not too familiar with the type of licensing and regulations that are required of gun retailers in this country...


They'll get over it.
 
2012-12-11 08:33:14 PM  

CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.


Whitemask? Racist!
 
2012-12-11 08:33:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The obvious answer is that the killers, rarely lacking in intelligence but always lacking in humanity, note that firearms are banned where they plan to kill their victims, thus providing a lot of helpless targets. You see, when there are signs posted that state that firearms are not permitted, law-abiding citizens tend to obey them, being law-abiding and all, and they tell the shooters that they are good to go at their leisure. So there's your answer: nobody stops it because they don't have the means thanks to laws that provide nothing more than the illusion of safety.

Note that nobody tries this shiat at gun shops. Just saying.


That, or it could be the fact that spree shootings work best with a high concentration of people in confined area.

CSB time: I had some drunk teenager pull a knife on me in the middle of some movie a couple of years ago. Saturday afternoon, semi-crowded theater, and this white trash piece of shiat was in the back just blathering on about some hog-beast he porked the night before. I finally had enough and told him to (more or less) shut the fark up because we didn't pay $8 to listen to him talk about his routine bad decisions. Mother farker pulled a knife out and tried to hop over the row of seats separating us, but he tripped up and fell over seats, knife falling out of his hands and slid across the floor. Ever since then, I've carried my Sig into the theater, and guess what? That theater proudly displays its "No Firearms" sign right out front, but I'll be goddamned if I'm caught off guard with some asshole again. I know with absolute certainty that I'm not the only person in this country who says "fark it" to concealed bans, but I'll never get caught because I'm responsible with my firearm and actually conceal it.

How much you want to bet there was more than one person carrying their concealed weapon this afternoon at the mall? Hell, I'd wager to guess that there were 2+ firearms in the Aurora theater that night in July, but nobody rose up and saved the day. Loudmouthed gun owners are hands down some of the biggest pussies I know.
 
2012-12-11 08:33:48 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.

Right, so punish the lawful, ignore the lawless and you have a very nice cardboard box to bloviate more nonesense in the town square.


Question: how many mass shootings are caused by illegal guns?
 
2012-12-11 08:34:53 PM  
Build memorial park!
 
2012-12-11 08:34:54 PM  

TommyymmoT: Scanner: Chasing a guy in a white Ford, wearing cammo, with a rifle.


Huh, I missed that.
 
2012-12-11 08:34:58 PM  

NotARocketScientist: Of course - because it couldn't have been that there were a lot of innocent people running around who could be hit, or a lot of expensive property damage that you'd be responsible for, if you miss, or that the average person can't hit the broad side of a barn at 15 feet. Lets get a lot of people who are cranked on adrenalin opening up trying to be the hero. There is a reason guns are not allowed at the mall.


Property is negligible. I doubt an individual would be sued for destroying a wine glass display at Crate and Barrel. Aside from that, one of the 3 critical rules of firearms is to know your target AND what is beyond it. I"ve been around firearms my whole life and there isn't anyone I've ever met who has a hard-on for trying to be a hero. Most will tell you that in instances like this, it is difficult to get a shot if the shooter is in the middle of the food court and people are scrambling. That still is not a good enough reason for not wanting the Wife to be armed in case some goon is hiding under her car when she's walking back from the store with a handfull of shopping bags, or if there's a sexual predator in the bathroom.

Anti-gunners point to the Giffords shooting and the individual who drew his weapon as an example why guns dont prevent crime like this while failing to realize that by his own admission, he hadn't been 100% sure of his target and wasn't 100% sure he had a clean shot with nobody else around.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:06 PM  
Way, way, way, way too close to Christmas to have a conversation about gun control.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:10 PM  

GAT_00: ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.

Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

[thismodernworld.com image 720x672] 

Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.


Okay, outline a plan to remove firearms from the criminal populace.

We'll wait.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:17 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.

Right, so punish the lawful, ignore the lawless and you have a very nice cardboard box to bloviate more nonesense in the town square.


Wow. You're building your own personal army of straw men, aren't you.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:20 PM  

MayoSlather: Mrbogey: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

America has some of the most sensible gun laws in the world. We target behavior for prohibition and not wholesale elimination. Should we really try and mimic nations with more violent crime like Mexico and the United Kingdom by enacting harsher laws?

America has a crime problem because we have a crime culture.

So your argument is since we have such a crime culture that we might as well make sure they are properly armed.


That's clearly not his argument, but I feel the need to respond because for all I know you might actually be serious. And then someone on the internet would be WRONG.

There were roughly 8000 gun related homicides in the US in 2004 (the most recent year for which I found stuff easily). The National Institutes of Justice collect data on the motivations behind crime, including homicides. That year, the NIJ says that 94.4 of all gun homicides were gang related, which means that only 448 of those homicides were non-gang related. I don't know how many of those 448 homicides are random killings, and how many can be explained otherwise (crimes of passion and other motivations).

Even if you assume that there will be 448 random gun-related killings in America (which is assuredly a gross overestimate, if Wikipedia's page on spree killers is any indication), that's still a pretty astonishingly small number for a country as large as the USA. It puts it roughly on par (in terms of relative danger) as things like death by lightning, falling icicles, choking on a hot dog, and the like. It's orders of magnitude less of a risk than things like getting hit by a drunk driver or someone who is texting while driving.
 
2012-12-11 08:35:43 PM  

Kuroshin: Combustion: Cats_Lie: Fun mall fact: Clackamas is/was known to host the ice skating rink in which Tanya Harding was a regular.

WRONG! The Ice Rink is the Lloyd Center.

Wrong. Clack used to have an ice rink, where Tanya Harding practiced regularly.

/met her once
//what a coont


What was the rest of her like?
 
2012-12-11 08:35:45 PM  
Two dead, plus the shooter.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:03 PM  

GAT_00: ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.

Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

[thismodernworld.com image 720x672] 

Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.


So we make guns illegal and mass murders go away?
 
2012-12-11 08:36:36 PM  

davidphogan: TommyymmoT: Scanner: Chasing a guy in a white Ford, wearing cammo, with a rifle.

Huh, I missed that.


It's a Bronco.
 
2012-12-11 08:36:38 PM  
News Report: they've closed the mall
 
2012-12-11 08:36:56 PM  

GAT_00: ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.

Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.


Wake me when the criminals and psychos get the memo to stop butchering people, drunk drivers stop driving and killing people, and people stop using religion or politics as an excuse to butcher each other.

Face it, we're a violent species, life is fleeting, and the more crowded we get the more people will die for stupid shiat. Banning guns may make a tiny dent, but it ain't gonna stop
 
2012-12-11 08:37:08 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Pharacyde: I went to my local mall just today. I have a CHP but this mall specifically states "No weapons or firearms allowed, concealed or otherwise."
Makes me think twice about shopping there.

Criminals and not jobs don't care about signs.

Because you'd totally engage a shooter and take him out, right?


Not necessarily. But at least I'd have the ability to defend myself or my family.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:20 PM  

GAT_00: ronaprhys: Face it - you've got nothing to stand on here.

Yeah, mass murder is nothing worth stopping.

[thismodernworld.com image 720x672] 

Freedom means innocents die for no farking reason. Gotta love the NRA.


Mass murder is definitely worth stopping, dolt. It's just that you're suggestions will do absolutely nothing to that end. But keep throwing out your failed arguments and waiting, with baited breath, for things like this to happen again so you can act all superior.

Seriously - you fail.
 
2012-12-11 08:37:48 PM  

beta_plus: beerbaron: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Exactly how would you enforce this? House to house searches?

Hey man, at this point liberals want responsible free speech legislation after that hateful youtube video caused the people of benghazi to spontaneously murder our Ambassador by shelling him with mortars they just happened to be carrying around.


Lol, Benghazi.

Seriously, that poor chicken.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:06 PM  

Kuroshin: Okay, outline a plan to remove firearms from the criminal populace.


Here's the problem with this line of thinking: James Holmes (to the best of my knowledge) did not become a criminal UNTIL he used his legally purchased firearms to shoot up a room full of moviegoers.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:12 PM  

Kuroshin: CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.

Whitemask? Racist!



Some reports said it was a hockey mask
 
2012-12-11 08:38:17 PM  
The mall will be closed for a while. This will be bad for the Xmas sales season.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:21 PM  
A shooting at a mall in Portland, Ore., on Tuesday afternoon left multiple dead and wounded, according to Lt. James Rhodes

What good is the War Machine or Iron Patriot armor if the motherfarker isn't even going to have it with him?
 
2012-12-11 08:38:22 PM  

ronaprhys: Seriously - you fail.


Maybe he's calmed down, we'll talk about it reasonably.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:24 PM  
Shooter is dead.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:40 PM  
In other new Best Korea just fired a long range rocket.
 
2012-12-11 08:38:42 PM  
targeted Santa Claus? lol! wtf is this an infomercial?
 
2012-12-11 08:39:08 PM  

moops: Ah, Clackamas Town Center. The "Town Center" is a mall. There's an Olive Garden and everything.


I've been to OG twice. I'd rather have a farking steamed hot dog in a soggy bun.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:12 PM  

epyonyx: NewportBarGuy: Was it a Glock or an AK-47?

/Apologies to the families of the lost and/or wounded.

[journalists guide.jpg]

/oblig



I'm not new to Fark, and I can appreciate tasteless humor as much as anyone (I laughed at some examples earlier in this thread), but that stupid graphic stopped being funny five shootings ago if you ask me.

It wasn't really all that funny to begin with. Everyone has a right to their own nerdy obsessions, but y'know what? Guns all look alike to me. I'm not interested in them, so my eyes glaze over and I don't pay that much attention to them. They might as well be pokemon or something. I expect about a hundred million other Americans are the same way, so I give journalists a little slack if they don't have a few hundred firearms' identifying characteristics memorized.

I'm probably overthinking this, but every time that stupid picture shows up it makes me think that the poster believes that the tragedy of lost lives is outweighed by the tragedy that too many journalists don't have a nerdy gun obsession, and I find that kind of abhorrent. I'm really starting to hate that stupid picture.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lt. Cheese Weasel: someonelse: Lt. Cheese Weasel: clancifer: Is it too early to talk about responsible gun legislation?

Of course the relevant issue isn't whether violent criminals obey the law, but whether gun retailers do. But keep dancing with your straw man.

Right, so punish the lawful, ignore the lawless and you have a very nice cardboard box to bloviate more nonesense in the town square.

Question: how many mass shootings are caused by illegal guns?


Dunno, what's the present body count of cartel members and soldiers in Mexico, where legal ownership is practically illegal?
 
2012-12-11 08:39:27 PM  
Guns don't kill people, people do, and if you say that maybe not everyone should be able to get a gun anytime they want for any reason, I'll shoot you.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:29 PM  
Not surprised, hope i didn't know the shooter. You all remember that Oregon basically started the school shooting trend right? Kips still in lockup.
 
2012-12-11 08:39:54 PM  
And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.
 
2012-12-11 08:40:16 PM  

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.


Adventure, excitement... a Jedi craves not these things
 
2012-12-11 08:40:22 PM  

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.



Figured as much.  "Neutralized" is pretty much a code word for "dead".
 
2012-12-11 08:40:26 PM  
I think somebody got mad because their President is black.
 
2012-12-11 08:40:35 PM  
Interesting press conference. No details past that no extra shooters, shooter died after police got there, three dead (counting the shooter.)
 
2012-12-11 08:40:59 PM  
I don't really think more gun control can really ever help situations like this. I don't think less can either. Do you ever think how bad the massacre might be if we didn't let the crazies shoot up the place with their guns?

As dangerous as a gunshot wound is, it's nothing compared to VX gas, or a McVeigh style truck bomb. Or a wound from a 6 foot long sword. Most crazy batshiat mall shooters aren't exactly crack shots.

Concealed carry idiots are funny though. I know several IRL. They are so pants pissingly scared of life in general they won't take a ride to the gas station without being armed. And yet their biggest masturbatory fantasy is getting in an old west style shoot out and saving the day at some mall, at which point handgun loving big titted blondes appear and fellate them. That said, in my state it's a pretty rigorous process to be licensed so at least there is some kind of process to attempt to weed out the truly psychotic and criminally insane.

There are some restrictions that make sense. Former military and felon for having an armed stand off with a swat team because you stopped taking your lithium? Yeah, you probably shouldn't even be permitted lighter fluid, much less a firearm.(I know this person IRL, and he still illegally owns and shoots firearms, up to and including ar15s).
 
2012-12-11 08:41:01 PM  

CraicBaby: Shooter is dead.


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RIP Shooter
 
2012-12-11 08:41:05 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: How much you want to bet there was more than one person carrying their concealed weapon this afternoon at the mall? Hell, I'd wager to guess that there were 2+ firearms in the Aurora theater that night in July, but nobody rose up and saved the day. Loudmouthed gun owners are hands down some of the biggest pussies I know


Nobody rose up and "saved the day" because there was probably no shot. You have to be able to identify your target, prove it is a threat and be cognizant of what is beyond it. it is possible that in a pitch-black theater with a 105dB movie on during a shooting scene, with smoke in the air, screams and shots coming from an unknown direction that if there was a CCW in the crowd, he probably decided that he would only exacerbate the situation had he drawn and fired.

Know how i know you've never spent one minute of your life at a range or talking to a firearms instructor?
 
2012-12-11 08:41:08 PM  
Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.
 
2012-12-11 08:41:16 PM  
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2012-12-11 08:41:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Kuroshin: CraicBaby: All descriptions I've read so far say the shooter was wearing a white mask of some sort.

Whitemask? Racist!


Some reports said it was a hockey mask


Mirrormask?
 
2012-12-11 08:42:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.


Or maybe it's just because you don't hear about it. Link

"At about 1 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), 30 minutes after the 11 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell, 40. Murray then entered the building's main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, 59, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself."
 
2012-12-11 08:42:09 PM  

CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.


Most of these assholes aren't. Or they use sub-optimal weapons and accessories.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:31 PM  

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


As opposed to your failure of an idea - make it double-plus illegal to murder someone. That'll work.

Seriously - don't you ever get tired of being embarrassed in public?
 
2012-12-11 08:42:40 PM  
I've never really understood the fear of guns. I don't know if this is true for everyone, but I had a friend in school who was completely anti-gun. He wanted to do drastic things like invent a time machine and go un-invent the gun and stuff like that or whatever. Anyway, we convinced him to go to a gun range with us and actually fire a weapon, as he had never actually used a gun before. He loved it, he had so much fun in fact, he now does recreational pistol shooting in a league and stuff.
Anyway, I just feel like most of the people railing against guns have never actually used one to learn how freaking amazing they are. Though I do feel a return to swords and hand to hand combat would do wonders for civil society.
 
2012-12-11 08:42:48 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Kuroshin: Okay, outline a plan to remove firearms from the criminal populace.

Here's the problem with this line of thinking: James Holmes (to the best of my knowledge) did not become a criminal UNTIL he used his legally purchased firearms to shoot up a room full of moviegoers.


And was already declared mentally unstable and a danger. This is why better mental Health care and legal records of mental health findings being linked to NICS is a good thing.

If NICS were to flag a guy for being judged mentally unfit, presuming the psychiatrist were given the option to have the person evaluated and ruled a danger, do you think they'd e given him a gun?
 
2012-12-11 08:43:01 PM  

mall ... in the Portland suburb of Clackamas


I believe Douglas Coupland called it the "Clackamas County Mall" in Generation X.
 
2012-12-11 08:43:01 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I think somebody got mad because their President is black.


There's a lot of that sentiment in Clackamas County once you get a little bit away from PDX. It's a Teabagger haven.

/Clackamas County denizen
 
2012-12-11 08:43:56 PM  
Report that his gun jammed.

Prediction: if he used an assault rifle, and it jammed, the magazine was large-capacity.
 
2012-12-11 08:43:59 PM  

EatenTheSun: cameroncrazy1984: Great Janitor: Gun control - when you're at a mall and you see a shooter, pull out your legally concealed firearm, and put two slugs into the shooters chest.

I wonder why nobody who is actually involved in a mass shooting has never done this before. With the number of times it's been suggested, if it's a plausible assertion you'd think it would have happened at least once.

Or maybe it's just because you don't hear about it. Link

"At about 1 p.m. MST (20:00 UTC), 30 minutes after the 11 a.m. service had ended at New Life Church, Murray opened fire in the church parking lot shooting the Works family and Judy Purcell, 40. Murray then entered the building's main foyer where he shot Larry Bourbonnais, 59, hitting him in the forearm. At this point, Assam opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon. Police say that after suffering multiple hits from Assam's gun, Murray fatally shot himself."


Ms. Assam had volunteered to provide security coverage because she was a private citizen with a privately owned firearm and a concealed weapons permit, therefore that incident does not count because she was a professional security guard.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: Who cares? Two people just died in a car accident two cities away from me. Should I submit that with a BREAKING NEWS!!!!!ONE111!!! tag?


Your apathy is delightful!
 
2012-12-11 08:44:02 PM  
So is the mall going to reopen in the morning? This is important.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:29 PM  

vygramul: CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.

Most of these assholes aren't. Or they use sub-optimal weapons and accessories.


He supposedly fired at least 60 rounds, too. So yeah, probably a combination of inexperience, shiatty weaponry & shiatty accessories.
 
2012-12-11 08:44:51 PM  
This is going to forever taint Mark Twain's short story The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Clackamas County
 
2012-12-11 08:44:54 PM  

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


Ignoring the calls for programs and laws that might actually help people *and*stop mass murders... I get it though, if it's not YOUR solution, it's not worth acknowledging
 
2012-12-11 08:45:08 PM  
Damn, and I JUST turned in my cable box this morning.

/15 minutes from Clackamas Town Center
 
2012-12-11 08:45:09 PM  

CraicBaby: Only 2 confirmed dead (not including shooter) so far. Dude wasn't a very good shot.


Good.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:10 PM  

GAT_00: And there's the standard NRA return volley - fix everything immediately, or else nothing should ever change.


Sometimes I think the only reason you are a successful troll is because people don't look at the username they are replying to.
 
2012-12-11 08:45:32 PM  

CraicBaby:

He supposedly fired at least 60 rounds, too. So yeah, probably a combination of inexperience, shiatty weaponry & shiatty accessories.


Silent Bob stole the schematics from some foolish carpenter and found a weakness just like the farking Death Star. You knock this crossbeam out and, farkin' bickety-bam, the whole stage comes crashing down.