Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.
WhippingBoy: Well you're a miserable little thing, aren't you?
StrangeQ: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.That has always worried me. It's like the Just-world hypothesis; we would like for it to be true, but there's no promise that it is. I would like to believe that left to their own devices, people would eventually come to the conclusion that an empiricistic philosophy towards understanding other people and the world around us would win out. But experience says that isn't true. You will have radicals that will hold to their believes without proof, evidence or regard towards the consequences towards others. For some you may be able to adopt a live and let live posture, but you will often find yourself unavoidably apposed to many of their positions. And then there are those whose consequences suggest that it would be better if you did not exist. If you try to fight that with passivity you're going to lose.I hope you're right though, and eventually people adopt a logical, knowledgable and understanding view towards each other. I think it follows the eastern philosophy that the way cannot be taught it can only be known.I take that as meaning the way cannot be forced. People have to come to their own decisions, Inception, if you like. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with dropping little hints along the path, especially when the group you're aiming them at is at once so attached to their beliefs and so paranoid of them.
Spaced Lion: DickNomms: That's like having a Christmas tree made of beer cans. Festivus deserves more respect than that.Damn right. The material of the pole means something. Iron or steel represents the strength of the family./Then again, hipsters are not known for their strength
StrangeQ: Great. So 1000 years from now when everyone is juggling around their festivus mole there's still going to be the naysayers that claim it is just a stolen holiday and demand to return to traditional practices like the great owl hunt.
GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.
Wayne 985: StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.I see where you're going, but I disagree. I know plenty of religious folks. They're good people and intelligent, but misguided on some aspects of life. If they have a prejudice against atheists, little things like this gradually make it worse. They can and should be shown that we're just as decent and respectful as anyone else. That doesn't mean licking their boots and agreeing to let the Constitution be violated, but it does mean that we need to pick our battles and fight them "cleanly", so to speak.
Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.
Farking Canuck: WhippingBoy: Well you're a miserable little thing, aren't you?He was talking about something that brings him joy (watching people post stupidity) and you call him 'miserable'?? I think you should take a look in the mirror.
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