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(Huffington Post)   Let's ask some U.S. politicians about the age of the planet   ( divider line
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6083 clicks; posted to Politics » on 21 Nov 2012 at 7:42 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-11-21 01:04:09 PM  
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wippit: Ok, that definition turns me off of the term. I renounce my creationism.

I'm... wippit.

You can't renounce being something you never were.

If you remove context and precision from a definition it is pointless.

Humans: Noun; a creature that breathes air and lives on earth.
So now dolphins, dogs and birds are humans.

Sky: Noun: Something that is blue.
So now my pen is the sky.

/See how that works?
2012-11-21 11:35:04 AM  
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dittybopper: Wasn't it also a British Invasion band? Herman's Hermeneutics?

Yep. Some of their hits included "Mrs. Brown, you've got Acceptably Orthodox Views on Soteriology" and "That Stance on Predestination is a Must to Avoid."
2012-11-21 11:32:56 AM  
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Pochas: JinxofSpades: Not entirely the same thing, but isn't the question also answered by the speed of light?
I'm no scientist, but if we know the speed of light, and we know that most stars are so far away that it takes a long time for their light to reach us (millions of years,) then how can the universe be 6000-10000 years old?

Or is the argument only about the age of the Earth itself, with the assumption that universe itself is still a zillion years old?

Creationists will just say God used magic to make the light be here at Earth before it should have been.

He can do that? Wow...maybe I should look into this God guy.

Wait, is he the one who made that branch fall on my car last week?

So, he's kind of a good guy, but kind of a prick.
2012-11-21 10:36:55 AM  
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SlothB77: Marco Rubio doesn't know the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

That means that Obama is automatically president for life and Marco Rubio becomes the new security manager for the US Embassy in Benghazi.

Man, you are trying SOOOO hard here that it's kind of cute and sad at the same time.
2012-11-21 10:13:55 AM  
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wippit: There is nothing wrong with trying to incorporate outside references to try to get your point across. You teach people using the methods those people will understand. Who cares that they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, as long as they understand the material?

Because if they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, then they don't understand the material. That's the whole point. All they see is "the Bible is vindicated again!". That's not helpful. This is the sort of nonsense that perpetuates ridiculous, primitive notions like Jesus riding around on dinosaurs or Satan burying bones in the Earth to tempt us to skepticism. We're a first-world nation and we still can't bring ourselves to say that evolution is real. It's madness, and it holds us back. It permeates into real-world decision making.

If Christians want to reject the observations of the reality-based community, then they are free to do so. But it is neither the job of the reality-based community, nor a particularly good idea, to spoon-feed them little pieces of reality here and there hidden inside of scripture in order to make it more palatable to them. We shouldn't have to sit down with the account of their goat-herder fantasy from thousands of years ago and find ways of twisting the phrasing so that we can fit reality inside of it. To do so is to throw away Occam's Razor and just simulate the legitimacy of any stupid mythology someone can manage to believe in, and for the sake of what? Sparing bruised egos? What an incredible waste of time and energy.
2012-11-21 09:49:42 AM  
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wippit: ... and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

So long as it goes off near a bunch of Jews.
2012-11-21 09:42:42 AM  
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SlothB77: 4.54 billion-year-old earth

I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?

The difference between 4.5 billion and 6,000 is not that much. I totally agree with you.
2012-11-21 09:31:40 AM  
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rev. dave: Anything not in the range of 4.3 billion years is a wrong answer. Stop opposing science you morons.

You namby-pamby spherists are just completely wrong. The proper age of the earth is 4.57 billion years, when the accretion disc first started to form.

I bet you're one of those anti-accretionists, always complaining that you can't count the age of the earth until it becomes a complete sphere. Well, fie on that! If you're going to be that wishy-washy, you might as well count the age to when the crust formed, when the oceans came into being, or even when the earth had an oxygen rich atmosphere!

No, the only proper dating technique is when the rocks themselves formed. All other dates are incorrect.
2012-11-21 09:20:32 AM  
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SlothB77: I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?

There is a huge difference between forgetting the exact number and 9000 years. It is all about orders of magnitude, how about this:

We know there are 8 planets in the solar system since Pluto was demoted. You probably learned there were 9 planets back in the day. However if you were asked how many planets are in the solar system, even if you did not remember or know about Pluto you wouldn't answer "hmm I believe there are about 3billion planets".

That's how far off or wrong these people are, it is completely insane.
I don't remember how many elements there are on the periodic table, I probably knew it at one time but I bet my guess of "About 120 or so" is reasonable and I wouldn't be ridiculed for saying that, but if I said 20,000 I should be ridiculed and I would STILL be orders of magnitude closer than those claiming the earth is 10,000yrs old or less, just like these senators should be ridiculed, particularly those on the science committee.
2012-11-21 08:52:54 AM  
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Well, I can confirm that it has been here for at least 32 years. If my great grandfather's stories are to be believed, it's been here at least since 1905.
2012-11-21 08:38:40 AM  
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eraser8: enry: Then again, I don't have a hard time separating my beliefs (God exists, Jesus rose from the dead, etc.) from what I know (the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, evolution is real, etc.). Belief for me recognizes there's little to no substantial proof.

If it's your belief that "God exists, Jesus rose from the dead," why do you believe it?

This is a serious question, by the way. I'm not out to argue with you about your beliefs. I'm just curious as to why you hold them.

I'll admit it's seemingly irrational. It's partly how I was raised by my parents, it's partly the social structure I've built since then of people that generally believe the same as me, and it's a way of giving me something much larger than me to believe in. It's hard to quantify, and that's part of what also makes up faith.

As I say, it works for me and it doesn't have to work for everyone.
2012-11-21 08:02:43 AM  
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You'd think, after getting asked a question like that, they could just pull out their phone and look it up on Wikipedia.., granted, those yahoos would choose Conservapedia instead..
2012-11-21 07:24:44 AM  
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Old enough to know better, too young to care?
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