nekom: You do realize, given his track record, he's not going to do that.
swaniefrmreddeer: And he would have lost the popular vote still by a large margin. The electoral college is a f*cked up system.
Sybarite: Like my grandmother used to tell me "If the dog hadn't stopped to lick his balls, he would have caught the rabbit."/totally serious
Linux_Yes: Obama won by ~3.3 Million popular votes.
ArcadianRefugee: Yea, and if Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened.
HST's Dead Carcass: Obama won with Electoral and Popular votes. Deal with it.
Linux_Yes: Obama won by ~3.3 Million popular votes.Handle it, Repugs!!
Skw33tis: I also sympathize with the argument that, under a pure popular-vote system, populous states like New York, California, and Texas would have disproportionate influence. To be fair, if most of the population lives in a few states, those states probably should be disproportionally influential, but smaller states shouldn't be de-facto shut out of the process, either.
brobdiggy: Not protesting Obama or anything, but the Electoral College "winner take all" system is absolutely stupid.Every election we hear the "your vote counts" garbage. That's not true. The message should be "your vote counts if you live in Ohio or Florida".I understand why we don't do national popular voting (recount nightmares... yikes)... but voting should be done electorally be DISTRICT instead of at the STATE level.In other words, All states should do what Nebraska and Maine do..It makes the most sense, and it doesn't leave voters feeling disenfranchised like the current system does.However, it would never pass, because liberals in blue states and conservatives in red states wouldn't allow it.
Molavian: trotsky: I remember when the GOP took WisconsinPretty sure Walker is still in office, bub.
Thunderpipes: Headso: Breitbart's corpse is right, republicans shouldn't take this loss as meaning anything, the "squeaker" win that Zerobama pulled off shouldn't cause them to change their OP one bit. If anything the votes they did get were because of them and they should double down on the anti-science, morality police, anti-immigration rhetoric and throw in some more fear mongering and promises of military adventurism too all while ignoring any criticism or fact checking from the liebral-leftist-lamestream-driveby-media conspiracy. In short, suck it libs!Dems just have the advantage. Mexicans, blacks are all in their corner no matter what and they breed like crazy. That alone gives them elections. Then you have moron young people, who cannot get a job out of college but still scream for Obama's nut droppings.Just going to get way worse before, if ever, it gets better. Math is simple, and we cannot afford this route as a country. Eventually, you run out of successful people to tax because their won't be enough, and the screaming hordes of young unemployed Democrats will never see reality because they are idiots.
DoBeDoBeDo: Can we just go back to the old system of strange women lying in ponds, distrubuting swords?
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MrVeach: How is it a democracy if half the people want someone else as president? Maybe they should split the term percentagewise based on votes. Obama first 25 months, Romney last 23? Stagger it?It's not a democracy. It's a representative republic.
Krymson Tyde: The obvious response for republicans is to dial up the derp, that should get them the results they want.
brobdiggy: Not protesting Obama or anything, but the Electoral College "winner take all" system is absolutely stupid.Every election we hear the "your vote counts" garbage. That's not true. The message should be "your vote counts if you live in Ohio or Florida".
Diogenes: ArcadianRefugee: Yea, and if Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened.I'm so delighted someone else remembers that!
Marcus Aurelius: If Breitbart were alive today, he wouldn't be dead.
Le Grand Inquisitor: Free Radical: If Obama wouldn't have won by a landslide it wouldn't have been a mandate.That election was not a mandate...popular vote was close and the the house stayed GOP. If you expect political capital and change, you are sorely mistaken
lordluzr: FTA: Obama's victory doesn't constitute a mandate for his far left agenda to "transform America" into some nightmarish amalgam combining the worst features of a European socialist state with an Indonesian oligarchy.Um.. how many votes required for this? 55% of electorate? 60%? I don't even remember this from the platform.
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: swaniefrmreddeer: The electoral college is a f*cked up system.Why? It prevents one or two states from completely disenfranchising the rest of the nation. As much as you'd like it to be, the United States is not "California and New York". The Electoral College isn't a perfect system, but going strictly by popular vote would be a disaster.>You are right, now its Ohio, Florida, and Colorado that control the system. Im not totally against the EV, but it is far from a perfect system. Oklahoma hasn't seen a Democrat nominee since like 1993, yet the swing states see them both Republican and Democrat nominees constantly. The swing states are constantly being promised things for their votes. Its the same problem as with a popular vote system, its just shifted which states are important.The national parties are unintentionally polarizing the nation even worse by ignoring the non swing states. Howard Dean was a crazy mofo, but he had the right idea in that you need to continue to work in states even if they are heavily against you, otherwise they just become much more against you because they feel like they are being slighted by the party.
Pants full of macaroni!!: And let me guess.... these votes are hidden away somewhere, confiscated by Liberals working the polls, perhaps of the Black Panther variety?
nekom: Skw33tis: I also sympathize with the argument that, under a pure popular-vote system, populous states like New York, California, and Texas would have disproportionate influence. To be fair, if most of the population lives in a few states, those states probably should be disproportionally influential, but smaller states shouldn't be de-facto shut out of the process, either.Yeah, I can certainly understand a small state's desire to appear relevant, but as you said it's also easy to argue that a state with a higher population rightfully SHOULD have more clout.I always figured perhaps it once made sense in logistics in the days when ballots were carried on horseback or whatever.
RminusQ: Le Grand Inquisitor: Free Radical: If Obama wouldn't have won by a landslide it wouldn't have been a mandate.That election was not a mandate...popular vote was close and the the house stayed GOP. If you expect political capital and change, you are sorely mistakenBigger popular vote margin than 2004 (3.01 mil vs. 3.31 mil)Bigger popular vote percent margin than 2004 (2.47% vs. 2.69%)MUCH bigger electoral college margin than 2004 (34 vs. 126)Significantly bigger effective margin than 2004 (in 2004, a universal 2.12% spread would've given Kerry the win; in 2012, it would take a universal 4.7% spread)Significantly bigger "swing" margin than 2004 (120,000 votes in Ohio vs. the headline's 330,000 votes in 4 states).George W. Bush and the beltway media claimed a mandate out the goddamn wazoo. I believe this is referred to as "Chickens is coming home to roost, so stop farking them."
CPennypacker: Maybe the Republicans didn't get off work yet.
Manute Bol: CPennypacker: Maybe the Republicans didn't get off work yet.haha...2 people I know that posted that one on Facebook have, sadly, taken it down.
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