Enigmamf: fickenchucker: The die has been cast, and ironically enough for that phrase, it was union work that destroyed their formerly glorious reputations.When have unions ever been highly regarded by the majority or by conservatives? For decades they were treated practically as communists. Heck, they still are.
super_grass: So wait...Charging shiatloads of money for food and fuel after a disaster is wrong because it's gouging.But keeping labor prices high thanks to government-legislated monopolies after the same disaster is okay?Fark union apologists. explain this.
BooBoo23: And that's fine. He can drop his rates at the truck stop men's room if he wants to, but I'm not sure that asking the linemen to take a pay cut right now is such a good idea.
BalugaJoe: Everyone in Long Island is in the mafia.
LowbrowDeluxe: I work in insurance talking with a lot of small time contractors. Don't generally deal with unions, but from the people I've dealt with I bet I can tell you how this happened, and it's not some bullshiat omg unions are evil thing. There's a lot of companies who chase the storms, and since they have the manpower, tools, and experience to deal with disaster relief, they get hired. Unfortunately, there's enough of them nowadays that a lot of the local guys are getting less or none of the recovery work, and it's creating a lot of bad blood. I wouldn't be at all surprised if an organized collection of local workers tried to force their 'share' of the work. It's a disaster, their home and neighborhood is farked, fixing it is within their job description, and the money instead of going to them and helping them get back on their feet is going out of state. I don't know which method is actually better for disaster recovery, I can personally understand local governments and associations giving the contracts to people who specialize in that sort of work, but for instance if you're a tree trimmer, ain't no one getting their hedges manicured right now and there is a whole lot of work clearing limbs and felling dead trees. Sucks to be benched while some out of towner is taking your lunch.
factoryconnection: Well there it is... the IBEW went too far. And then they went back on it, figuring that the shoddy work done by the low-wage guys will have to be redone.I guess I'll vote "no" on unionization at my electrician shop, and then vote yes later.
stirfrybry: super_grass: So wait...Charging shiatloads of money for food and fuel after a disaster is wrong because it's gouging.But keeping labor prices high thanks to government-legislated monopolies after the same disaster is okay?Fark union apologists. explain this.They can't. Most union guys are dipshiats who can barely read a blueprint
gryf: Unions are awful. They keep the unemployable employed. And, yes; I work at a union shop. We collectively want to kill our rep on principle. While hoping we can each get back our $1,200 in yearly dues. I need a farking drink.
cefm: How exactly would this have been enforced? The out-of state crews sign up with the utility, and the utility gives them orders and pays their invoices - the IBEW is not involved. They're free to take it up with the utility itself, but their letters aren't worth the paper they're printed on
Aarontology: Another thing people should realize is that when out of staters come in to help things like this, they're not doing it as employees. They're doing it as independent contractors and they end up costing way, way more than the regular workers since the out of staters have the power companies over a barrel.That happened here after Snowmageddon a couple of years ago. There weren't enough guys to fix all the damage quick enough, so a bunch of people came in from out of state and ended up charging more for their wages than the regular employees.
King Something: super_grass: So wait...Charging shiatloads of money for food and fuel after a disaster is wrong because it's gouging.But keeping labor prices high thanks to government-legislated monopolies after the same disaster is okay?Fark union apologists. explain this.Goods vs services.When paying someone for a particular service, you get what you pay for:Exhibit A: Over-the phone PC tech support - would you rather deal with the $30/hr union worker who speaks American English or the sub-minimum wage guy from India who tells you to do the needful?Exhibit B: Night-Ladies - would you rather spend an hour or two with a lady who looks like she understands the concept of personal hygiene but charges $1000 for full service; or the lady who looks like she hasn't bathed in a week, probably has more social diseases than she does teeth, but only charges $10?Exhibit C: Automotive mechanical work - would you rather get a radiator hose installed at Pep Boys for $50 (with a warranty and guarantee), Bubba's Oil And Tires for $20 (no warranty or guarantee), or Sam's Club for $19 (no warranty or guarantee, except for the guarantee that your money will be used to help Walmart exploit Chinese slave labor)?Think about which you would choose in the above scenarios and why, and then consider choosing between having power lines reconnected by $30/hr local union workers who'll still be in town after the job's done, or by $9/hr non-union guys from out-of-state who'll go back to their home the minute they finish "fixing" the problem./disclaimer: I am neither an over-the-phone PC tech support guy, a night-lady, an automotive mechanic nor a power line technician//I've never had to go to Pep Boys more than once to fix a problem on any car I've ever had, nor have I ever had a new problem pop up immediately after they fix the old one
Aarontology: he's saying he's against people making money because he's a communist.
Aarontology: BooBoo23: super_grass: But keeping labor prices high thanks to government-legislated monopolies after the same disaster is okay?Are you insinuating that the linemen out there should take a pay cut to clean up this mess?he's saying he's against people making money because he's a communist.
angryjd: Are the people on this page saying unions don't actually do this? Methinks they have never had any exposure to unions...
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