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(Wired)   Someday, criminal organizations will have their own armies made of kidnapped communication engineers and held as slaves, rigging shadowy, encrypted, secret telecommunications networks. Once again, the Zeta drug cartel shows us the future   ( wired.com) divider line
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2012-11-02 11:34:06 AM  
5 votes:

cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right


Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).
2012-11-02 11:57:41 AM  
4 votes:

dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.


Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.
2012-11-02 12:40:01 PM  
3 votes:
that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Exactly, end the Zeta's reasons to exist in the first place. Cut their funding, when they have no more cash flow due to the rest of the world buying their drugs legally, they wont have the money for private radio/cell networks. Or the hundreds of other crazy things they do.
2012-11-02 11:50:28 AM  
3 votes:

machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs. put on a show about fixing an imaginary problem and exploiting society's prejudices while wasting tons of taxpayer dollars.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


FTFY
2012-11-02 11:46:17 AM  
3 votes:
Well, let's see..... government agencies like the DEA aren't wild about giving up funding, for-profit prisons aren't wild about giving up profits....

The only incentive to end the drug war is to take a morally correct action. So, of course, it will never happen.
2012-11-02 01:33:51 PM  
2 votes:

whosits_112:
Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.
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Yes, they are pretty much the mafia from my grandfathers time. See that mafia used military grade weapon like sub machine guns and what not to gun down their opposition, on the streets, in broad day light. Banning, or least making them harder to acquire, 'gangster' weapons was pretty much the whole point of the National Firearms Act of 1934. If you don't think prohibition gave such sudden rise to violent and wealthy criminals that were willing to use military style weapons and tactics against rivals, citizens and police, you are a fool. If Capone had RPGs available to him in 1934, you can bet your ass he would have used them instead of Thompson sub-machine guns.

Yes the Zetas are scary, yes they are using modern weapons, but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past. They simply have better tools available to them. 

Perhaps if we take away their drug money, they'll create a gambling paradise in the desert. Its just silly enough it might work!
2012-11-02 01:16:38 PM  
2 votes:
Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.
2012-11-02 01:15:22 PM  
2 votes:
Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...
2012-11-02 12:54:24 PM  
2 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.
2012-11-02 12:40:27 PM  
2 votes:

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


while that may be true their profits from marijuana dwarf the other drugs. The reason is simple. There is a HUGE market in the US for marijuana, not so much for the other drugs you mentioned. The number of "hard drug" users is basically a static percentage of the US population. It isn't a huge market like marijuana. So if you legalize weed in the US you instantly chop these guys at the knees. Sure they will fight over the meth, coke ,heroin users but the market is much much smaller, police would be able to greater direct their efforts at those drugs and it would surely put many of them out of business or simply nerf their influence.

Just like the Mafia made huge profits with prohibition, they lost a HUGE revenue pipeline, they lost a ton of influence as well.

Right now they have a HUGE pie, we can take a lot of that pie away by making them obsolete. win win.
2012-11-02 12:22:54 PM  
2 votes:

stuffy: How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.


That's certainly a less depressing theory than what is almost certainly actually happening, which is that these engineers and technicians are being forced to build these systems at gunpoint and then being dumped in a shallow grave somewhere once they're done.
2012-11-02 12:03:09 PM  
2 votes:

garkola: Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.


Yeah, but your rating tanks once the ones you hire are never heard from again because you killed them. Something about tying up loose ends that doesn't play nice with online ratings systems.
2012-11-02 12:01:31 PM  
2 votes:

garkola: Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.


How would that be cheaper? Isn't slave labor pretty cheap?
2012-11-02 12:00:02 PM  
2 votes:

cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.


Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.
2012-11-02 11:55:24 AM  
2 votes:
I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.
2012-11-02 11:49:52 AM  
2 votes:

machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


And while we're kicking poor people off welfare, the drug cartels are happily moving more product than ever into the country. yeah...GREAT use of our resources!

f*cking clueless is what we are.
2012-11-02 11:48:01 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


And you know how you can perpetuate the war on drugs forever? Keep voting for democrats or republicans.

Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.
2012-11-02 11:43:54 AM  
2 votes:
Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.
2012-11-02 11:42:59 AM  
2 votes:
The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.
2012-11-02 11:26:50 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!


In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right
2012-11-02 10:03:15 AM  
2 votes:
Is there no act of inhumanity that the Zetas will not commit in their pursuit of profit?
2012-11-02 10:06:12 PM  
1 vote:

cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.


AES encryption modules would tend to disagree withyou
2012-11-02 04:09:55 PM  
1 vote:
Seriously, folks, the best way to stop the never-ending War on (non-Corporate) Drugs is to vote for a third-party candidate who isn't beholden to Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Big Booze, and the damned privatized-prison industry. The only reason third-party candidates have no clout is that none of you drones would ever think of voting for one. If it came down to voting for the Punch in the Face Party or the Sock in the Guts Party, none of you would even consider voting for the Hugs 'n' Kisses Party in your wildest dreams. That's why crap like the WoD never, ever farking ends.

Many of you folks may recall the Simpsons episode where K'ang and Kodos secretly take on the identities of Bob Dole and Bill Clinton. Since they kept offering the same empty-headed platitudes (e.g. "Abortions for some, tiny plastic flags for others"), it took a while for the citizens of Springfield to even catch on that they're actually aliens. And when their true identities were revealed, K'ang replied something like "Yes, we're aliens, but one of us will get elected for President, and when that happens, we will rule the Earth!" Then the pimply-faced kid replied in his squeaky voice, "Yes, but I can vote for a third party!" Kodos replied, "What? And waste your vote?" which pretty much doomed the Earth to alien servitude. At the end, when the human race was enslaved to the aliens and Homer and Marge are dragging a huge rock, Homer says to Marge, "Don't blame me, I voted for the other candidate!"

And that's how I see things in America. You vote for either the Diet Pepsi candidate or the Diet Coke candidate because you're utterly incapable of actually voting for a real third party (or, to be cynical, a true second party). You drones keep falling for the same Good Cop/Bad Cop routine over and over and over and over and over and over again. The spin doctors behind the candidates have things figured out pretty well; they'll tell a candidate to hold a hunting rifle in the next empty-headed sound bite to nudge exactly 3.5% of NRA members towards their candidate, and so forth. Why do you think the last several elections always come down to a 49-51% near tie? They have you drones figured out to several decimal places...

/end rant
2012-11-02 04:05:37 PM  
1 vote:

EngineerAU: JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls...


Not necessarily- some legislatures have the idea that welfare recipients should be forced to pay for their own drug tests.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/08/welfare-drug-testing-michiga n _n_1580973.html

Mind you, since welfare payments come from governments anyway, the taxpayer is STILL paying for them, albeit in a cruel and dehumanising way.

///And it helps if the incumbent politicians have friends or relatives with private drug testing businesses too!
2012-11-02 03:56:58 PM  
1 vote:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: what if we had the CIA infiltrate the cartels and have them lace the drugs with rat poison? then the drug users would kill themselves off.


Yes, because the best solution to a terrible drug problem would be to fix it with an even worse mass-murder problem. Seriously, if you think casual pot smokers should be murdered, you're an evil Nazi psychopath with problems much worse than drug addiction.
2012-11-02 03:55:39 PM  
1 vote:

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


You don't build build private radio systems and submarine with Meth money. Meth money gets you a Honda civic. A used Honda civic.
2012-11-02 03:34:05 PM  
1 vote:

JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.


Which is why they were tested for alcoholism and tobacco use too?
2012-11-02 03:15:29 PM  
1 vote:

Psycat: Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...


My humble opinion: legalize MJ, users for all other substances are sent to a Portugal style treatment centers that include psychologists, social workers, therapists, etc and help them get off the drugs.
2012-11-02 03:06:38 PM  
1 vote:
time to call the law...

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2012-11-02 02:24:47 PM  
1 vote:
what if we had the CIA infiltrate the cartels and have them lace the drugs with rat poison? then the drug users would kill themselves off.
2012-11-02 02:19:00 PM  
1 vote:
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i believe in the future as envisioned by these aztec lords. i think we should have unrestricted immigration to help bring this noble way of life into our nation.
2012-11-02 02:06:42 PM  
1 vote:

cuzsis: machoprogrammer: Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Great, then we can have all the legal and health problems that are already associated with cigarettes and alcohol. Only worse because drugs like cocaine and meth aren't remotely in the same chemical league.

Legalization won't make "drug problems" suddenly go away. It will hamper the cartels some, but they're not the only issue out there (and will move on to other illegal trades anyway.)


IDK man it seems like you're saying we don't already have the legal and health problems with all other drugs just because they're illegal. As we have seen in the past with various substances being legalized, there will be a spike in usage initially after it is legalized with a decrease in use to around the level that it was before.

I try to look at it like this, do we want people to be able to put whatever they want in their own bodies? If not are we willing to accept that we will at best be able to limit slightly the amount of people consuming the substances we deem "bad". It's pretty obvious that prohibition just doesn't work, we've been fighting the drug war for around 60 years now to what end? Drugs are cheaper, more widely available and more pure/potent than when the drug war started. Anyone who wants the drugs, can get them if they try hard enough. I don't like the idea of crystal meth being sold in a store, but people are going to buy it either way. At least under a legalization framework we can have a more open and honest discussion about drugs, as opposed to ALL DRUGS ARE THE DEVIL which seems to be the govts. stance. I think that the only nation who has seriously tried an alternative approach is Portugal who decriminalized ALL drugs. They have seen use go down as well as crime and drug related health problems have actually lessened.

/tl; dr: legalize (or at least decriminalize) ALL THE DRUGS
2012-11-02 01:48:45 PM  
1 vote:

Need_MindBleach: It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.


Yep.
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2012-11-02 01:45:44 PM  
1 vote:

tomcatadam:

The continued use of Thunderdome with their prisoners is pretty darn evil.


Sure, that 'pretty darn' evil, Not totally evil.

See, at least in Thunderdome, one man was able leave. Totally not totally evil.

//who runs BorderTown?
2012-11-02 01:44:54 PM  
1 vote:
It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.
2012-11-02 01:29:12 PM  
1 vote:
I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.
2012-11-02 01:09:35 PM  
1 vote:

whosits_112: StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.


They originally were, hell most of their leadership was trained by us down in Fort Bragg. But a lot of those guys are gone, and the people who replaced them are not ex-military, just farking psychopaths.
2012-11-02 12:51:33 PM  
1 vote:

cgraves67: Loki009: cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.

And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.


Yes, Becasue properly configured encryption is so easy for the government to do, this is why they get their panties in a bunch about classifying encryption as a munition and attempting to control its export. I am sure the NSA has the resources available to commit to breaking this traffic.
2012-11-02 12:23:38 PM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: It's a moral argument to keep fighting the war on drugs, just as it was a moral argument to enact prohibition.


You say that like this isn't prohibition again. Even gave rise to large-scale organized crime again.

The cars are less classy though. Fewer sharp fedoras.
2012-11-02 12:19:29 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


There are too many greedy and power-hungry individuals in government, law enforcement and the corporations who supply them who's whole reason to exist totally depends upon the war on drugs. And since the politicians are beholden to them, it will never stop.

That, and the thoroughly stupid, empty-headed and totally moronic voters who continue to be blindly elect politicians to support their efforts to prevent decriminalization of the drugs in the first place.
2012-11-02 12:19:17 PM  
1 vote:

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


Then decriminalize all currently illegal drugs. Problem solved! What else could the cartels and mafia go into? Smuggling bath salts?
2012-11-02 12:14:35 PM  
1 vote:
It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.
2012-11-02 12:08:09 PM  
1 vote:
How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.
2012-11-02 12:07:28 PM  
1 vote:

Loki009: cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.


And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.
2012-11-02 12:00:05 PM  
1 vote:
Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.
2012-11-02 11:52:53 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.


If drugs weren't illegal, this would be irrelevant. We should also have cops show up at the houses of people on welfare, to make sure they aren't wasting their money on alcohol. Oh wait, alcohol is legal, so nobody particularly cares.

His point was not very direct, but certainly valid. If it were about the welfare, they would enact stricter regulations regarding what welfare money can actually be spent to acquire. It's not -- it's about funneling money to wealthy donors that operate drug testing companies punishing them for being so damn poor and enforcing drug restrictions that are increasingly irrelevant.
2012-11-02 11:52:44 AM  
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RembrandtQEinstein: Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.


Just because D and R are bad choices doesn't magically make any other your other listed choices better. Heck the Libertarians who are suppose to be the leading edge of drug legalization keeps dropping their panties each time a Republican tenth place runner up gives them a wink and a smile. Saying that the other choices are automatically better is like saying that the Bible must be correct about the creation of the universe because atheists don't have their own explanation.
2012-11-02 11:48:19 AM  
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JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.


It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls. Also never figured into the calculation is what do these addicts do when their welfare is cut off? My bet is on something that is of an even greater cost to society.

As far as the article goes, this is why I hate most countries requiring visitors to write down their profession on just about every customs form. Heck, in Tanzania I had to write down engineer next to my name half a dozen times while climbing Kilimanjaro. You'd think above 5000 meters it wouldn't matter any more.
2012-11-02 11:42:48 AM  
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Well that sucks that they're enslaving the engineers. The poor engineers deserve to be paid for that work.
2012-11-02 10:49:45 AM  
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I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!
 
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