Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.
JackieRabbit: Is the Obvious tag off on a religious sabbatical? The trend toward secularization in America is now long-standing. In two generations, people with religious affiliations will be a minority.
Jument: As for atheists, I think that's a little close-minded. How can we possibly know for certain? I don't think we can.
Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.
Buttknuckle: What I believe is none of your business as long as I show tolerance, even love, to my fellow man.
Ishkur: Bhruic: The problem with the latter class is they usually get hung up on a specific spot. Like the one guy I was thinking of, his argument started off with "something cannot come from nothing". Which Matt wouldn't agree with. And the guy concluded that must mean that Matt thought that something could come from nothing. And Matt kept saying, "No, I just don't agree that something can't come from nothing". And they went back and forth on that for awhile, until Matt finally hung up because the guy just couldn't get it.That was the second time he called, just a few weeks ago. The first time was last march, and both times they got stuck on the "something from nothing" argument for 20+ minutes. See, the guy hadn't really thought of it, he just had rehearsed statements and talking points, and his frustration was that Matt wasn't giving him any answer that he had a prepared rebuttal for. I thought Tracy's argument is far more devastating just by its practical application: The something from nothing argument is wrong for two reasons:1) The laws of causality do not apply to the quantum level, so somethings can come from nothings.2) The laws of causality only apply to somethings, not nothings (everything that was a cause is a Something coming from another Something, not a Nothing). We don't have any examples of nothing, so we cannot verify whether something can come from it.He couldn't wrap his head around that and they kept going in circles. Funny, because it was his FIRST assertion of a SEVEN point plan about the declaration of God's existence. So apparently he has six more of them, but they haven't gotten through the first one yet in two whole shows.
I May Be Crazy But...: I drunk what: Leeds: In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock.Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards? I went to the Watson Selection Task page on wikipedia, but I'm still lost about the meaning here.
Buttknuckle: CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.
jonawald: Religion = people who believe in something they can't see, can't prove.Atheists = people who believe that the everything we know came from nothing in some kind of big bang. That this something that came from nothing somehow changed and "evolved" into a single cellular living being that had a system for respiring, digesting, eliminating waste and reproducing? Wow. That alone is a lot of faith. It goes on though. they believe that somehow this something that came from nothing and got life and systems evolved into a multicelular being that had all the above functions. It goes on from there, but it gets to crazy to put down in writing.People laugh at religions people who believe in a God, and Creator. Think about how funny these people are. They certainly have a weird religion.
kgf: Since all religions have a god
IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Atheism is a belief system and therefore a religion.
Nuclear Monk: meat0918: had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.You know what![thumbnails.hulu.com image 512x288]God is a schooner?
vactech: The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"
DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you go on and on about it like, say Bill Maher does, then yes, it is a religion.
MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.
had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.
CrappityCrap: Atheism may as well be a religion. Sure acts like one. They're utterly convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. They do whatever they can to get more people to think just like them, and when you challenge their beliefs the farktardism commences.
Space_Poet: Happy to find out the other day that my smart daughter is also atheist. As well as many of her friends. And she's not even included in this survey because she's under 18. We had a good conversation about how every religion in the world thinks it's the TRUE ONE and how if that's true then most of them are wrong and they are just arrogant and stupid to be fighting each other over a book. We also discussed the basic tenants of religion, treating everyone as your brother and how many of them fail that test a well./You don't need to be afraid of anything to be good, in fact it's fear that seems to fuel the hatred of man//Any religion that basis its' reason on fear of eternal damnation is a flawed theory at best, and a pox on man at worst
Ishkur: People may be falling out with religion, and they may even claim that they are atheists, but that still doesn't stop them from believing in complete nonsense.The human predilection for being a special and unique property of the the Universe is as strong as ever. It's just been shifted from organized religion to spirituality -- everything from energy auras and chakras to ley lines and feng shui, ESP and psychics, homeopathy, paranormal existences, belief in ghosts/vampires/werewolves/angels, reincarnation, tai chi/yoga/meditation/mindfulness/Buddhism, astrology, miracles/premonition/prophecy, indigo children, the Mayan calendar, the coming Age of Aquarius and anything that reeks of "New Age" (which includes everything from the Celestine Prophecy to What the Bleep Do We Know).Sure, religion is declining. But supernaturalism is as strong as ever. I blame education.
miscreant: I haven't seen a detailed explanation of theist vs. atheist and gnostic vs. agnostic yet and how they differ yet in this thread. Fark, I am disappoint.
the_chief: Atheism is just another atheism.
tgambitg: Atheism = not a religion.Antitheism (which a majority of your vocal internet atheists subscribe to, whether they know it or not) = Most definitely a religion.If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.
iheartscotch: The benefit of being well informed seems somewhat less beside 10 extra days off a year.
Vegan Meat Popsicle: Coder: /Agnosticism is for people who don't understand probabilityNo, it's for people who take it too literally.
Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: We should really create our own religion here on Fark. Think of the benefits brought on by the tax exempt status!
Yakk: proteon: Unless you've never been to Reddit, I'm not sure this is trolling.I wish Reddit would discover the religion of readable threads.
Carousel Beast: Weaver95: incidentally, the Catholic Church is VERY worried about the growth of 'secular' government and the 'lack of faith' among so many people. US evangelicals hate/fear anyone who isn't 'christian' (that includes atheists, pagans, Muslims, Buddhists or whatever).Citation Needed.
iheartscotch: I feel sorry for atheists; they don't get to use holy days as an excuse to get off of work. The benefit of being well informed seems somewhat less beside 10 extra days off a year./ *pokes the bear*
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