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2012-10-08 01:17:36 PM  

thecpt: ArcadianRefugee: Here's a start: Link

* "Organic" farming is horribly inefficient when compared to modern practices, meaning costs for so-called organic foods would be (and are) higher

Actually, I don't really need to say much more about it than that. The whole "oh, but modern practices are bad for us" argument doesn't really hold much water since human life expectancy continues to increase despite this alleged issue.

Oh bs. I like how that article only picks one chicken and will use the words "some" when trying to discredit Food Inc's findings. That was an awful read, most of the "facts" (which are facts) had nothing to do with what the film was saying.


Much like Food Inc uses select situations and says "it's happening everywhere!!!!" Also completely lies about lots of things, like the grass-fed-less-E-coli thing.

They're not saying don't eat meat, they're saying do you really need so much of it and if so could we mandate better conditions and transparency.

Apparently there is enough transparency that we keep seeing documentaries about them.

And about life expectancy, it couldn't possibly be going up because of other things like a better health system, could it? Come on.

Kinda my point: we're already better than breaking even. I'm OK with that.
 
2012-10-08 01:19:09 PM  
I think the big question here is: what should I have for lunch? I'm leaning "sausages", but I can be swayed.
 
2012-10-08 01:19:14 PM  
 
2012-10-08 01:19:31 PM  

ciberido: AllUpInYa: Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend makes a mean portobella mushroom burger. We're not vegetarians, but we do like vegetarian/vegan foods, and eat them often. I can enjoy both tofu AND a steak. Anyway, my boyfriend marinates the mushroom caps in a balsamic vinaigrette, grills them up, sticks them between two toasted ciabatta rolls, and they're divine. I like a little lettuce and tomato on mine. It's just as good as a hamburger made with meat, and it's healthier.

If you watch cooking shows on Food Network, you'll see a lot of chefs using portobella mushroom caps as replacements for steak strips, hamburgers, and other like products in vegetarian recipes. It's not ridiculous, nor unheard of. Expand your culinary palates.

I've tried them. Portabella mushrooms are a WISHFUL replacement for meat, much like a tofu dog.
But really, if you can't tell the difference between something that has meat juices and fat, and something that doesn't, you must have a cold or not have any taste buds left.

I love mushrooms, but I do not care for portobello mushrooms. It's something of a pet peeve of mine, actually, how about a decade ago they became fashionable and restaurants started trumpeting "portobello mushroom!" in so many of their dishes.

There are far tastier mushrooms out there. The only thing the portobello has going for it is that it's big.

And no, portobellos don't have the texture or taste of meat, either.


You ain't lyin about that! Oyster mushrooms, man, that is GOOD eating right there!
 
2012-10-08 01:19:43 PM  

loonatic112358: mafiageek1980: I ate my first oyster about 6 months before I went vegan. I went vegan in baby steps, so when I had my first oyster I was a pescatarian (fish-eating vegetarian). Once you get past the snot-texture it's pretty good. Then again, I am originally from South Louisiana so I've ate some crazy shiat in my lifetime. Anyway, you have a good point about local honey. I didn't think there was much of a difference until very recently when my husband bought a jar. Man, it's so damn good!

the major brand stuff is mixed, while local honey will have more wildflowers

also wasn't there a fark link regarding honey being cut with corn syrup?


Honey is one of the few things I make sure it is from local producers. I pay a bit more for it, but as you said, much of it is blended now and there are some which are blended with Chinese honey... using that phrase lightly.
 
2012-10-08 01:20:21 PM  
My wife has pet cow that she treats like her kid. Still loves hamburger.
 
2012-10-08 01:21:37 PM  

KiplingKat872: WhippingBoy: Don't cows have to be alive in order to be slaughtered? How exactly do you slaughter a dead cow? Zombie cows????

1slaugh·ter
noun \ˈslo-tər\
Definition of SLAUGHTER
1: the act of killing; specifically : the butchering of livestock for market

O.K. Do you mind live cows being butchered because the kill area was half-assed?

Eating meat? Whatever floats your boat, dude. But the least they can do is make their lives and deaths humane.


Yes actually. All that adrenalin and lactic acid in their blood stream make it tough and less tasty. The best tasting cows never see it coming. Yum.
 
2012-10-08 01:23:01 PM  

loonatic112358: also wasn't there a fark link regarding honey being cut with corn syrup?


Yeah, the cheaper brands are.

I found a link, but it appears to be broken.
 
2012-10-08 01:23:34 PM  
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2012-10-08 01:25:35 PM  

KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: And how do you know they were treated humanely?

How many industrial farm let you tour their facilities? The farm that sells beef at the farmers market is also where locals can go pick strawberries, and yes, they do give tours including their corrals and barns.

Most small scale farmers simply do not have the money to invest in the facilities large scale farms do, so yeah, the beef on the hoof is wandering around a pasture.


Ah, the hobby farm. A place for city people to go out and see a 'real farm'.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:07 PM  

Brubold: drjekel_mrhyde: The author sounds like he works for PETA

This. Militant vegetarianism at its finest.


I couldn't stop laughing about the innocent little eggs on the second page.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:11 PM  

Richard Flaccid: My wife has pet cow that she treats like her kid. Still loves hamburger.


Growing up where we raised much of our meat, chicken, veggies and what not, I was always the one that got to kill the chickens or put the bullet between the pig's eyes. My step sisters raised fryers for 4H and they had to be dressed and the meat had to be flawless. In order to do that, I couldn't ring their necks as with normal every day eating chickens but instead hung them up by their feet, tied their wings so they couldn't flap and bruise their selves, then I would just grab the head, stretch it down, cut the throat and just let it bleed out. Have no regrets about it, never thought twice about it and if circumstances were the same, would do it no differently. We had plenty of pigs or chickens that were pet like and ended up on the table.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:41 PM  

Clockwork Kumquat: Cruel food? Saw a clip on some bizarre-video show on TV a couple or a few years ago. Chef in some Asian restaurant is preparing what is apparently a sought-after delicacy in this particular farked-up gastronomic circle. Takes a live fish and holds it down flapping and gasping on the counter. Doesn't kill the fish. Scrapes the scales off, slits and guts it, mostly, slaps it into the hot frying pan positioned so that the back end of the fish gets cooked while the head remains alive. Takes it on a plate to the table, fish's body is fried through, head is still gulping air convulsively as the customer digs in. I am unprepared, and have retreated over the back of my chair and backward across the room shaking my head and saying no no no until I am stopped by the wall. FARK YOU, humanity.


Don't inquire into how Koreans eat octopuses.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:51 PM  

bim1154: loonatic112358: mafiageek1980: I ate my first oyster about 6 months before I went vegan. I went vegan in baby steps, so when I had my first oyster I was a pescatarian (fish-eating vegetarian). Once you get past the snot-texture it's pretty good. Then again, I am originally from South Louisiana so I've ate some crazy shiat in my lifetime. Anyway, you have a good point about local honey. I didn't think there was much of a difference until very recently when my husband bought a jar. Man, it's so damn good!

the major brand stuff is mixed, while local honey will have more wildflowers

also wasn't there a fark link regarding honey being cut with corn syrup?

Honey is one of the few things I make sure it is from local producers. I pay a bit more for it, but as you said, much of it is blended now and there are some which are blended with Chinese honey... using that phrase lightly.


If you suffer from allergies - local honey is one of the single best remedies.
 
2012-10-08 01:28:42 PM  

ciberido: Don't inquire into how Koreans eat octopuses.


cephalopods aren't supposed to go past those lips
 
2012-10-08 01:28:51 PM  

Langdon_777: bim1154: loonatic112358: mafiageek1980: I ate my first oyster about 6 months before I went vegan. I went vegan in baby steps, so when I had my first oyster I was a pescatarian (fish-eating vegetarian). Once you get past the snot-texture it's pretty good. Then again, I am originally from South Louisiana so I've ate some crazy shiat in my lifetime. Anyway, you have a good point about local honey. I didn't think there was much of a difference until very recently when my husband bought a jar. Man, it's so damn good!

the major brand stuff is mixed, while local honey will have more wildflowers

also wasn't there a fark link regarding honey being cut with corn syrup?

Honey is one of the few things I make sure it is from local producers. I pay a bit more for it, but as you said, much of it is blended now and there are some which are blended with Chinese honey... using that phrase lightly.

If you suffer from allergies - local honey is one of the single best remedies.


Fortunately for me I've never had a bought with allergies in my life, but my wife is a different story. Will remember this.
 
2012-10-08 01:28:58 PM  

Richard Flaccid: My wife has pet cow that she treats like her kid. Still loves hamburger.


And that is humanities dilemma - why do I luv my own more than the other? (the answer is mostly because I am a selfish c*nt, and only our lesser cousins have a reasonable excuse.)
 
2012-10-08 01:30:20 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: ii) Know where your meat is coming from--it's possible to buy a pig or cow or a share of a pig or cow in many areas and have it raised in conditions you specify and then slaughtered to your specifications, and usually the farms that specialise in this also tend NOT to raise their animals in "factory farm" situations and even let you "meet the meat". You can also get to know farmers at some of the better farmer's markets.


Did someone say they wanted to meet the dish of the day?
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"Don't worry, sir. I'll be very humane."
 
2012-10-08 01:31:44 PM  

bim1154: Richard Flaccid: My wife has pet cow that she treats like her kid. Still loves hamburger.

Growing up where we raised much of our meat, chicken, veggies and what not, I was always the one that got to kill the chickens or put the bullet between the pig's eyes. My step sisters raised fryers for 4H and they had to be dressed and the meat had to be flawless. In order to do that, I couldn't ring their necks as with normal every day eating chickens but instead hung them up by their feet, tied their wings so they couldn't flap and bruise their selves, then I would just grab the head, stretch it down, cut the throat and just let it bleed out. Have no regrets about it, never thought twice about it and if circumstances were the same, would do it no differently. We had plenty of pigs or chickens that were pet like and ended up on the table.


*sigh* and we wonder why peeps get stabbed or raped in dark alleys - "It is not a crime, if I get away with it!"
 
2012-10-08 01:32:02 PM  

ciberido: Did someone say they wanted to meet the dish of the day? "Don't worry, sir. I'll be very humane."


Consider my live i've been force feeding myself for months
 
2012-10-08 01:33:01 PM  

TheHappyDrinker: Ah, the hobby farm. A place for city people to go out and see a 'real farm'.


No, it's called small scale farming. Unless you know any other 1600 acre "hobby farms" that have been around for four generations that produces fruit, vegetables, eggs, pork (and trust me, pork around here is a serious concern) and beef.

But do please keep up with ignorant condescension, it really proves your point.
 
2012-10-08 01:33:39 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: ask the Sikhs how well they're treated in India where rats and cows are treated like gods


"Treated like gods"? Have you BEEN to India?

Imagine a society where it's illegal to kill or even harm a cow, but there are no laws saying you have to feed or otherwise take care of one.

Think on that a bit.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:06 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Much like Food Inc uses select situations and says "it's happening everywhere!!!!" Also completely lies about lots of things, like the grass-fed-less-E-coli thing.


"The point in dredging up these studies-ones the media never covered-is not to play gotcha with advocates of grass-fed beef. (As mentioned above, grass-fed beef may be healthier than conventional beef over all, and kinder to the animals.)" ---hmmm, plus the movie was based on non-biased research.

ArcadianRefugee: Apparently there is enough transparency that we keep seeing documentaries about them.


The access was granted by the farmers, not the farmer's parent company. Those companies did not want to participate or be interviewed. I can understand not accepting every request from documentary makers though. PETA has sent people in undercover for evidence, but I don't trust anything from them unless it was on film.

ArcadianRefugee: Kinda my point: we're already better than breaking even. I'm OK with that.


Not me, but I'm more worried about quality of life than longevity. However, both are granted by a healthier diet. Again not Vegan, just think it can be better and that this film was a good expose.
 
2012-10-08 01:38:16 PM  

TheHappyDrinker: Ah, the hobby farm. A place for city people to go out and see a 'real farm'.


Ah, I overestimated the size. Here is a description of the place: Link
 
2012-10-08 01:39:42 PM  

ProfessorOhki: That's why Indian food does vegetarian right: they give the ingredients some credit of their own and don't use them as close-enough stand-ins for meat in existing dishes.


If you go to restaurants in India (especially the ones that aren't super-expensive and don't cater exclusively to tourists) you'll find that the menus often have a "non-vegetarian" section. It's sorta like a mirror--universe flip of American restaurants, where most restaurants have a small "vegetarian" section on the back page. It's sorta funny, but it supports what you say: a large fraction of the cuisine was "designed" to be vegetarian from the ground up, so to speak.
 
2012-10-08 01:42:09 PM  
Speaking of honey and local small scale producers:

NC Meadery
 
2012-10-08 01:46:42 PM  

NashMcNash: FTA: "Shark finning was banned in Hawaii in 2010, and it's since been made illegal in Washington, Oregon, California, and Illinois"

...destroying the thriving Shark Hunting industry in Illinois.


Yeah I wondered about that too......

And why does TFA talk about burgers and show a (teeny) steak n frites?


Always remember: Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
 
2012-10-08 01:46:52 PM  

KiplingKat872: ciberido: "That's ok," she replied. "I believe in abortion."

Lacto-Ovo vegetarians are the most common. Since the eggs you buy in the supermarket are not fertilized, they are not killing an animal to eat it. If they go with free range eggs, they're all good.


Fair enough. That was back in the 1980s, though. Things were a little different then, at least in terms of perceptions and terminology. And I'm pretty sure she was joking, anyway.

But speaking of vegetarianism and my old high school days, does anybody remember the McDLT from McDonald's? " "Keep the hot side hot, and the cool side cool"? Had another vegetarian friend who used to love those, minus the beef patty. She would go with a friend to McDonald's, they would buy two McDLT's, and she would trade her "hot side" for her friend's "cool side." Sorta a Jack Sprat thing.
 
2012-10-08 01:47:13 PM  

loonatic112358: Flipper47465: Then they should have no issues with me hunting right? I mean here is a deer, living in the woods, coming in to my pasture and eating our horses hay. Then in September, I climb in to my tree stand and wait. When they come walking down the same path they do every day, not paying attention. An arrow travels through their body striking the heart. A few seconds later, it's all over. I have venison to feed my family. No hormones, 100% natural, the animal lived his or her life in the woods, so it's free range. There should be no issues right? I

venison jerky *homer drool*


Just had pasta with venison in the sauce. Bambi died well.
 
2012-10-08 01:47:28 PM  

KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: Ah, the hobby farm. A place for city people to go out and see a 'real farm'.

Ah, I overestimated the size. Here is a description of the place: Link


Yes, that's called a hobby farm. A nice place for people to visit and see what a farm is like, pick some strawberries in the spring, pumpkins and apples in the fall. I bet you can get a hay rack ride there too. Those cattle walking around are for calving, not beef.
 
2012-10-08 01:47:50 PM  

Hot Carl To Go: katerbug72: This thread is a reminder to go out and collect our daily two dozen.

What do you do with that many eggs each day?


We give away a lot of eggs (we may start selling them). I collected one last week that was the size of my palm. That must have hurt. It was a double yolker.
 
2012-10-08 01:49:04 PM  

TheHappyDrinker: Yes, that's called a hobby farm. A nice place for people to visit and see what a farm is like, pick some strawberries in the spring, pumpkins and apples in the fall. I bet you can get a hay rack ride there too. Those cattle walking around are for calving, not beef.


Want to know how I know you did not read the description?
 
2012-10-08 01:54:14 PM  

thecpt: "The point in dredging up these studies-ones the media never covered-is not to play gotcha with advocates of grass-fed beef. (As mentioned above, grass-fed beef may be healthier than conventional beef over all, and kinder to the animals.)" ---hmmm, plus the movie was based on non-biased research.


"Healthier" as in the meat itself (higher omega-3s, lower saturated fats); does not address the E coli issue.

The access was granted by the farmers, not the farmer's parent company. Those companies did not want to participate or be interviewed.

Would you? Giving them anything would never have worked for the companies; the movie had an agenda. You really think they'd air something positive about the companies?

Not me, but I'm more worried about quality of life than longevity. However, both are granted by a healthier diet. Again not Vegan, just think it can be better and that this film was a good expose.

I just can't deal with 99% of the foodies who biatch about modern practices. They have this unfortunate habit of lying ("stretching") and just being propagandist.

Take, for example, this gem:

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Saw this in a video (advertising Food Inc) a friend sent me, and how 75% of US corn is GMO. If so, where is our zombie apocalypse? Oh, what? Our children haven't gotten horribly sick and/or started feasting on the flesh of their relatives?
 
2012-10-08 01:56:25 PM  

uber humper: precia: I'm a dedicated omnivore, but for some reason I hate everything about real meat pâté

I don't mind plain pâté, head cheese is what can't stand the thought of.

/I guess there weren't any marketing people around when they named it


I'll have your share. As long as it's the real deal, not that jellied chopped faux shredded meat in a package. Used to make it with my gramma when I was oh....6-7 years old. After the boiled head was cool enough to handle, my job was to pick the meat off it. There was something very cool to a 6 year old about peeling meat off a skull. Would still give me enjoyment, come to think of it.

But I completely respect your right to not like it. I love fois gras, lobster and bacon too. :)

/I've never had shark fin anything, and don't plan on it.
//Would try balut if it came my way
///can you hear the lambs Clarice?
 
2012-10-08 01:56:54 PM  

KiplingKat872: It's the people that claim to be vegetarian "...but I eat fish" (I have even heard someone claim to be vegetarian but they eat chicken) that are unclear on the concept.


See, this is why people hate vegetarians. It's that self-righteous crap, of which "You can't eat fish and be a vegetarian" is but one example. Even if you're technically right, and it should be called something else (such as "pescetarianism"), you still come across as a smug asshat and, perhaps more importantly, your all-or-nothing attitude drives away people who might otherwise be inclined to give vegetarianism a try. You really are shooting yourself in the foot. 

What vegetarians OUGHT to do, if they really want to coax more people towards vegetarianism, is to do so in a gradual and encouraging manner. Try persuading people to eat LESS meat, for example. 

Also, to echo something that was said elsewhere in the thread, maybe try getting people turned on to cuisines that already have a lot of tasty vegetarian dishes, such as Indian or Lebanese. That's just an idea off the top of my head, but really, people, it doesn't have to be a fracking war. 

People who eat meat are not "the enemy."
 
2012-10-08 01:57:26 PM  

Blueintheballs: I always find vegetarian propaganda fairly difficult to stomach.


Well, it's a good thing TFA has nothing to do with vegetarian propaganda then!
 
2012-10-08 02:04:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: thecpt: "The point in dredging up these studies-ones the media never covered-is not to play gotcha with advocates of grass-fed beef. (As mentioned above, grass-fed beef may be healthier than conventional beef over all, and kinder to the animals.)" ---hmmm, plus the movie was based on non-biased research.

"Healthier" as in the meat itself (higher omega-3s, lower saturated fats); does not address the E coli issue.

The access was granted by the farmers, not the farmer's parent company. Those companies did not want to participate or be interviewed.

Would you? Giving them anything would never have worked for the companies; the movie had an agenda. You really think they'd air something positive about the companies?

Not me, but I'm more worried about quality of life than longevity. However, both are granted by a healthier diet. Again not Vegan, just think it can be better and that this film was a good expose.

I just can't deal with 99% of the foodies who biatch about modern practices. They have this unfortunate habit of lying ("stretching") and just being propagandist.

Take, for example, this gem:

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Saw this in a video (advertising Food Inc) a friend sent me, and how 75% of US corn is GMO. If so, where is our zombie apocalypse? Oh, what? Our children haven't gotten horribly sick and/or started feasting on the flesh of their relatives?


It is more subtle than that - the Zombies are the peeps who support Monsanto or any other (for self profit) food manipulating company (if we were altering the DNA of chimps to give them opposable thumbs and a bigger frontal lobe I would likely support it (but of course we would have to make room for them in our selfish c*nt world.))
 
2012-10-08 02:06:38 PM  

mafiageek1980:

Portabella mushroom burgers are GOOD, but If I want a real "beefy" taste (burger wise) without the blood/having to eat faux meats, my go-to is a "burger" made with chickpeas or another similar bean. Hell, throw a couple of drops of "liquid smoke"/right seasonings/veggies/good BBQ sauce, throw that bad boy on the grill, and you got yourself a tasty bean-burger! If I want fries, I make my own. If I want mac and cheese, I make my own (Nutritional yeast is a Vegan's best friend if you want a chessy taste, fark those fake vegan cheeses), etc.



Serious, not in any way meant to be snarky question:

Vegetarians/Vegans....since you have made your decision to forego meat for your reasons, WHY would you want anything that remotely resembles the taste of meat? Wouldn't that creep you out if you've made the decision to not "eat anything with a face"?

Again, I'm not being snarky.....this has always truely confused me. I know I make comments about meat is tasty murder and all that, and I'm a true carnivore, but I respect those who have made their own choices for their own reasons.

Thanks to anyone who answers.
 
2012-10-08 02:08:20 PM  

ciberido: See, this is why people hate vegetarians. It's that self-righteous crap, of which "You can't eat fish and be a vegetarian" is but one example. Even if you're technically right, and it should be called something else (such as "pescetarianism"), you still come across as a smug asshat and, perhaps more importantly, your all-or-nothing attitude drives away people who might otherwise be inclined to give vegetarianism a try. You really are shooting yourself in the foot.


Excuse me, who was being self righteous abotu eggs a few minutes ago?.

I'm sorry but watching people claim to be vegetarians while eating killed animals is not about being self righteous, it's about the definition of the word.

I never said meat eaters were the enemy. In fact if you read my statements on this thread I have said several gawd-damn times that I am o.k. with people eating meat because humans are naturally omnivores. I am even o.k. with hunting.

I see vegetarians as a personal choice and I don't preach or force it on others. Meanwhile, I get to constantly get accused of being self righteous and claiming to be morally superior and a ton of other B.S. becuase of the perception of the group, rather than what i actually say.

I get you hate vegetarians, but why don't you try responding to what people say, rather than knee jerking into an imaginary conversation.
 
2012-10-08 02:08:23 PM  

Langdon_777: It is more subtle than that


Using children is not subtle. It is an obvious tactic to scare parents into doing something, rather than trying to appeal to them using logic and reasoned debate.

Also, the same video pointed out that Monsanto is the same company that produced Agent Orange, as if that has shiat-all to do with the GMO argument.
 
2012-10-08 02:10:35 PM  

mcwehrle: mafiageek1980:

Portabella mushroom burgers are GOOD, but If I want a real "beefy" taste (burger wise) without the blood/having to eat faux meats, my go-to is a "burger" made with chickpeas or another similar bean. Hell, throw a couple of drops of "liquid smoke"/right seasonings/veggies/good BBQ sauce, throw that bad boy on the grill, and you got yourself a tasty bean-burger! If I want fries, I make my own. If I want mac and cheese, I make my own (Nutritional yeast is a Vegan's best friend if you want a chessy taste, fark those fake vegan cheeses), etc.


Serious, not in any way meant to be snarky question:

Vegetarians/Vegans....since you have made your decision to forego meat for your reasons, WHY would you want anything that remotely resembles the taste of meat? Wouldn't that creep you out if you've made the decision to not "eat anything with a face"?

Again, I'm not being snarky.....this has always truely confused me. I know I make comments about meat is tasty murder and all that, and I'm a true carnivore, but I respect those who have made their own choices for their own reasons.

Thanks to anyone who answers.


The Buddhist at my fav restaurant understand that most of us were not bought up as conscious souls :D they understand what we have come to luv, and it is the TEXTURE of the food - and I have to say they perfected the texture of not only the salt & pepper squid but the wonderful meltingness of the beef in a great curry. It can be done.
 
2012-10-08 02:14:05 PM  
So my daily breakfast of lobster omelet with a side of bacon, my daily lunch of shark fin soup and fois gras, and my steak dinner with a baked potato is bad? Why didn't anyone think of the potato? WHAT ABOUT THE POTATO???
 
2012-10-08 02:14:59 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Langdon_777: It is more subtle than that

Using children is not subtle. It is an obvious tactic to scare parents into doing something, rather than trying to appeal to them using logic and reasoned debate.

Also, the same video pointed out that Monsanto is the same company that produced Agent Orange, as if that has shiat-all to do with the GMO argument.


?

Agent Orange?

Look up deers with gills.
 
2012-10-08 02:16:37 PM  

mobombhead: So my daily breakfast of lobster omelet with a side of bacon, my daily lunch of shark fin soup and fois gras, and my steak dinner with a baked potato is bad? Why didn't anyone think of the potato? WHAT ABOUT THE POTATO???


I have this argument often at barbecues - when you stop eating meat we can discuss the rights of vegetables.
 
2012-10-08 02:18:07 PM  

Langdon_777: ?

Agent Orange?

Look up deers with gills.


"In the 1960s and 1970s, Monsanto was also one of the most important producers of Agent Orange for United States Military operations in Vietnam." ~Wikipedia

As far as gilled deers, you'll have to provide a link, as a simple Google search seems cluttered with too many things.
 
2012-10-08 02:22:17 PM  
I propose we torture, kill and eat a vegan for baby Jesus
 
2012-10-08 02:23:36 PM  
Ack I been reading and pondering this thread for 3 hours - I could have been playing any number of computer games instead (and before some smart alek says it, yes I could have been bonking, but its late).
 
2012-10-08 02:25:34 PM  

indylaw: But nature is not nice. If we stopped the practice of eating meat and set all the livestock free, they'd be eaten by predators who would cause them just as much pain, if not worse, than we inflict.


No, they wouldn't exist in the first place. I'm not a PETA fanatic, nor even a lib-tard, but the logic of KiplingKat is more or less sound here. Your view that "well, life is bad anyways so what does it matter if we raise life-forms only to serve us in dire, dreary ways" is rather fatalist, and could easily be godwinned...
 
2012-10-08 02:35:41 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Langdon_777: ?

Agent Orange?

Look up deers with gills.

"In the 1960s and 1970s, Monsanto was also one of the most important producers of Agent Orange for United States Military operations in Vietnam." ~Wikipedia

As far as gilled deers, you'll have to provide a link, as a simple Google search seems cluttered with too many things.


I had actually hoped you would find it.

I never could and yet I have a physical in my hand magazine that talks about not only gills but fangs - the fact that I could never find the same on the net has made me even more fickle about information.
 
2012-10-08 02:37:27 PM  

Langdon_777: I had actually hoped you would find it.

I never could and yet I have a physical in my hand magazine that talks about not only gills but fangs - the fact that I could never find the same on the net has made me even more fickle about information.


You've just taken me to a whole world of wtf. Just thought I'd let you know that.
 
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