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(Wired)   Why Google should demand every Android device come with an option for the Nexus treatment   ( wired.com) divider line
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2012-09-27 08:51:38 PM  
The writer needs to get apple's cock out of his mouth before writing.
2012-09-27 09:12:23 PM  
So long as it's rooted I don't give a fark. Don't need a locked down device.
2012-09-27 09:13:13 PM  

gingerjet: ChubbyTiger: NutznGum: CyanogenMod. That is all.

And this.

JB is wonderful stock, but CM10 is amazing.

If you have a root your phone to make it usable - perhaps you bought the wrong phone to begin with?

usable? no. Better? yes.

just like iDevices and jailbreaking.
2012-09-27 09:44:55 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: emocomputerjock: moothemagiccow:

Oh and CyanogenMod is dumb as hell. There are too many models to support, so you have to buy the most popular phone. The version that came out for my phone disabled the camera, decreased call quality and disabled some keyboard buttons, according to the people who made it.

Support does differ from model to model, and it's usually better for popular models. Doublecheck the forums before commiting to rooting your device.

I ran into some trouble this way. Got an Incredible 4G when they came out, as I really like the 8960 chipset. Unlocked the HTC bootloader through htcdev.com. Then later the time came for Mrs. Anomaly to get a new phone. Got one like it. Now htcdev.com doesn't allow the Inc4G bootloader to be unlocked because Verizon doesn't want it to be.

Now she has Titanium backups she can't restore. Nobody's "hacked" it yet (as of a week or two ago). Oy.

This is because Verizon has a very, very, very bad habit of explicitly crippling their phones in whatever way they can get away with up to the point they are class-action sued for it:

a) GPS was deliberately crippled on Verizon models of phones in much of the 80s so that it would only work with Verizon's shiatware GPS app--it took a class-action lawsuit from Blackberry owners for them to stop this, and even the patches they offered still weren't as functional as on original phones. (One reason, along with shiat customer service, why Verizon has joined Bellsouth/AT&T in my lists of "phone companies I will never voluntarily deal with for any reason, to the point I will do without service first").

b) After they were forced to open up GPS, they attempted to block Android users from sideloading apps and installing alternative app markets such as the Amazon app market (in this case, they weren't alone, AT&T was just as bad)--it took both phone companies being sued to make them stop blocking sideloading.

(And yes, there are legit reasons to sideload apps that are COMPLETELY unrelated to piracy! Among other things, there are beta test programs for Android apps that ONLY distribute the beta versions to their test groups in such a way that they would be sideloaded.)

c) There are reports that Android phones under Verizon STILL have GPS crippled (in a similar way to the shiat drivers they released after the GPS lawsuit) in that they require the CDMA radio to be on--and yes, this has been shown to be Verizon-specific, as Sprint phones DO allow GPS to be used whilst otherwise in airplane mode.

d) Verizon has also generally been forcing locking of bootloaders to prevent rooting and use of non-Verizon ROMS, including with manufacturers that allow unlocking the bootloader for explicit use of development tools (HTC) or that don't generally lock bootloaders at all but only use flashing counters (Samsung). It's especially apparent this is Yet Another Verizon Crippling with the SGS3 (only the Verizon version has the bootloader locked, though apparently there has been some success in unlocking it unofficially). And yes, this makes it a goddamn pain to do any development work on Verizon phones with apps that need root access.
2012-09-27 10:39:32 PM  

piercedgeek: I know some of the early phones, bloat removal required root, but I just managed to uninstall that dumb "VZ Navigator" app that came on my Galaxy S3 (not rooted yet)

self correction, it removed "updates" to VZ Navigator, the app is still there, now it just wants me to update it, no option to uninstall, grrr

steamingpile: You're not reading correctly, they are allowing all that shiat to be deleted/disabled on android 4.0+, it is why no carrier is in a hurry to post updates.

I thought I had heard something like that before, I guess that requirement doesn't apply to all providers? grr
2012-09-28 12:50:28 AM  

SteelDraco: I'd love it if Google kicked the carriers out of the OS loop.

I'm seeing a lot of this in the thread. 'If only Google could just take over', etc.

Thing is, they can't, and probably won't ever be able to. Android was not purely a Google creation, even if they are 90% behind the design and development:

The Open Handset Alliance (OHA) is a consortium of 84[1] firms to develop open standards for mobile devices. Member firms include Google, HTC, Sony, Dell, Intel, Motorola, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, Samsung Electronics, LG Electronics, T-Mobile, Sprint Nextel, Nvidia, and Wind River Systems.[2]
The OHA was established on 6 November 2007, led by Google with 34 members including mobile handset makers, application developers, some mobile carriers and chip makers.[3] Android, the flagship software of the alliance, is based on an open source license and competes against mobile platforms

Pretty much everyone has a stake in the creation of Android. I know all the US carriers (VZW, Sprint, ATT, etc) are all members of the Open Handset Alliance that culminated in Android. Yeah, Google's developing the OS, but technically they don't own it - it's a collaborative open-sourced thing; a partnership between manufacturers, developers, carriers, etc.

In other words, even though Google's doing most of the work from an OS development standpoint, they don't purely control how, when or where Android is implemented or modified. Under the current framework they can't force carriers to do shiat. What they CAN do, and do well already, is advance the state of the art, and shame others into upgrading. Still doesn't beat the private dev community by any means, of course.

2012-09-28 01:09:30 AM  

slayer199: Has anyone rooted and installed Jelly Bean on a Galaxy SIII? What was your experience with a clean install of Android?

One of the guys I work with said he did it...and after he worked through a few quirks, he said it worked great. I'm due to upgrade soon and I'm NOT getting the iPhone 5 (currently on my 2nd iPhone)....so that leaves Windows (Lumia 920) or an Android phone.

I have cyanogenmod 9 on my GS3, and it's pretty damn awesome. Still ICS, but I have to wait for a stable jelly bean rom for my Japanese version of the phone.
2012-09-30 03:40:10 AM  
First week of GS3 awesome after years of N1. That nexus was a sweet little dev slut, but it is time to step up to quad core performance and 4.8" HD amoled that I can actually see, and stop using my daily driver as a lab machine.

Anyway, I actually like the Samsung UI and T-mob extra services, like wi-fi calling and live streaming HDTV, so I'd say no, Nexus treatment is not for everyone, carriers and manufacturers do add value to the end product and most users wouldn't know root from their ass.
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