Gunny Highway: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]I am sure someone has a problem with her too.
SphericalTime: However, some of their recent princesses are great symbols. Merida from Brave is an awesome example, her storyline was basically, "You don't need a man to do awesome stuff and control your own destiny. " I loved the fact that she didn't even have a love interest.
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Then there is the one where 7 guys live with one woman.But what a woman![img856.imageshack.us image 640x480]
brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.
quickdraw: And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.
quickdraw: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.I have stopped going to Disney movies for that very reason. I'm just tired of the characters I identify most with being killed off every damn time. My daughter knows how I feel about this and told me I had to see Brave. Being turned into a bear is definitely a step above dying in a dramatically relevant fashion. And - as a metaphor for going through menopause - it's hard to argue with.
ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.[disney-blog.com image 550x302]Nope.
pudding7: Who are Snow White's parents? Why is she a princess and what is her relationship with the queen?
NuttierThanEver: This just in cartoons tend use broad stereotyped characterizations in much the same way that pantomimes and puppet shows have done for centuries. Film at 11
miss diminutive: I don't think the men fare all that better either.
brigid_fitch: ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.[disney-blog.com image 550x302]Nope.Which Disney movie is that? I must have missed one.
pudding7: Why didn't the good fairies wait one more day to return Aurora to her parents, thus voiding the curse?
fireclown: miss diminutive: I don't think the men fare all that better either.Thanks for pointing that out. People tend to forget that young guys are affected by the stereotyping as well.
Methadone Girls: ThatGuyGreg: brigid_fitch: And the first Disney Princess whose mother is still alive.[disney-blog.com image 550x302]Nope.Wasn't Sleeping Beauty's mom still alive too? The whole kingdom was just put to sleep wasn't it?
solaufein: Classic fairy tales, mostly:Princess - Year of origin (mostly) followed by source in parentheses.Snow White - 1812-1864 (Bros Grimm)Cinderella - 1697 (Charles Perrault and older myths)Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) - 1697 (Charles Perrault and Bros Grimm)Ariel - 1837 (Hans Christian Anderson)Belle - 1740 (Gabrielle-Suzanne Babot de Villeneuve)Jasmine - 9th Century (Ancient Middle East)Pocahontas - 1613 (loosely History based)Mulan - between 1368 and 1644 (ancient Chinese legend of Hua Mulan - 386 to 534 A.D)Tiana - 1812-1864 Bros Grimm / E.D Baker's 2002 novel "The Frog Princess"Rapunzel - 1698 (French tale and Bros Grimm)Merida - 2012 (Original)source: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Disney_Princess and http://www.wikipedia.org/ Only two really don't fit. Tiana (if you go with the 2002 origin) and Merida.
RsquaredW: Better than the guys version.1) be rich and good looking2) be rich and good looking3) be rich and good looking cursed to be ugly until good looking again4) be rich and good looking5) pretend to be rich and good looking6) be rich and good lookingQuick, name the movies!
Thorak: It's not really fair to call Brave a Disney flick. It's Pixar. Pixar has the stones to tell Disney to piss off and GTFO their writing, and the industry clout to just up and walk if Disney doesn't listen. Heck, they did that, and were wildly succesful on their own.Tangled was a marginal step forward (Princess' mother still alive), but it still suffers a TON from "princess needs a man to accomplish anything". And he's no better; the one saving grace is that he's not attractive AND good-hearted AND wealthy, just two of the three. A marginal step up from Aladdin who was the same two, but faked the third to try and get the girl.Seriously, don't point at Brave and say "Disney's getting better!" That was all Pixar. Pixar's never had that issue.
Masterstuff: So Brave was an Original idea? As in wasn't directly related to some fairy tale?I said that I would only watch Disney movies if it had an original story... looks like i'll have to find this in one of the theaters that show old movies around here.
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