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(AlterNet)   Five "scientific conclusions" about cannabis the media doesn't want you to know. Missing from the list: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol   ( alternet.org) divider line
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2012-07-29 06:30:16 PM  

D_Evans45: I remember i fought that guy who was way too big for me when I was high. I also beat up my wife. I hit my kid a couple times with the belt as well, and swerved all over the road nearly killing an innocent family. Then I called up my ex and bawled for a half hour.

/Submitter is a dumbass


Wait... I took the bait... Such obvious trolling ..
 
2012-07-29 06:30:39 PM  

Wolf892: ultraholland: Wolf892: having to smell the sickening stench of that crap.

Good weed smells good.


InflamedGonads: Because ganja tar is purer than cigarette tar...

There are many ways to consume the marijuana.

Nope it doesn't. It all smells like a skunk farted a blood dump onto a pile of dead crack babies.
Other than that I don't have anything against it.


Only.shiat weed.smells that bad, tell your neighbors to quit.smoking.Mexican dirt weed.
 
2012-07-29 06:30:48 PM  
It definitely has it's share of negative side effects, especially with frequent use, but loss of judgement just isn't one of them.
 
2012-07-29 06:30:57 PM  
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Don't worry, Socrates, it's just a plant.



/Anti-prohibition
//But the "just a plant" argument is overly simplistic
 
2012-07-29 06:31:39 PM  

Tax Boy: [www.cannabisculture.com image 240x300]

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I'm in favor of anything that gets Kristen Bell to strip down and wear interesting undergarments


Holy cow, I knew she was cross-eyed, but I never realized HOW cross-eyed!
 
2012-07-29 06:31:41 PM  

BronyMedic: It has the same level of harm as long-term tobacco use. And you really don't want to use it if you're schizophrenic.


Well, MAYBE (and I don't necessarily believe this is accurate because the chemical content of the plants differs, but I'll cede this one) natural tobacco, but not the crap that's laced with chemicals, stuffed in a paper tube that's laced with chemicals, and sold in a box at the local supermarket.

As far as the schizophrenia thing goes, it depends on the marijuana and the person. In many ways, I could see how it helps more people on a daily basis than it harms, BUT the problem comes with the fact that there are enough people whose psychoses and schizophrenic episodes are greatly exacerbated with pot, and those are the people we hear about because they, you know, shoot up a movie theater and the like.
 
2012-07-29 06:32:45 PM  
The continued illegality of pot is the surest sign that we are NOT living in some sort of wacky conspiracy universe.

No self-respecting cabal of shadowy powers would keep something illegal that makes the populace docile and eager to consume.
 
2012-07-29 06:33:14 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: It cant be regulated, therefore it wont be legalized. the one thing alcohol and tobacco have in common are that they involve specialized, mechanized, curing and refining processes. This makes it incredibly easy to regulate and tax wholly. Taxing mary jane would be on the honor system.


I'm not sure growing your own weed is different from my homebrew hard cider. I can brew X amount, and I can't sell it, or I'm commiting a crime. I could probably go over that limit for a while, but I could conceivably get caught. More likely my GF would turn me in. She's not a huge fan 'o the press.
 
2012-07-29 06:33:15 PM  

Evil Canadian: ultraholland: Gyrfalcon: 1. Pot calms you down, hence, if you're psycho, you probably remain psycho, but less overtly and at less harm to yourself and others.

I had a certifiable girlfriend who went off the deep end when she smoked pot, so I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

cool anecdote?

Unfortunately, a too true anecdote as I have seen it happen with my son when he was in a similar situation.


If they had a true mental health issues anything or situation could have triggered an incident, from burnt toast to a direction confrontation. Cannabis use just makes an easy scapegoat.
 
2012-07-29 06:33:32 PM  

SpeedyBB: Mr. Potatoass: I quit smoking pot from 1980, to 2008.
I seems to have gotten a little stronger, in that time.

How much stronger do you seems to have gotten, stranger?


Considerably. This is the major problem. Without legalization and regulation, the customer has NO facts or data to judge there desired effect. I, and most other adults, do not want to drink Everclear because it is just too strong with out enough benefits, like taste. Most smokers do no want to be glued to the floor off one toke/rip/hit but when you do not have a choice of products when buying you have no idea what you are getting. Want to support America and not Mexican gangs? Too bad. You just cannot know where the herb comes from or even if it is laced with anything.

Not even clubs can really know as a lot of grey-area paperwork can be easily forged when dealing with such touchy, unregulated substance.

/Who the fark has to certify their girlfriend? What kind of sick country do you live in.
 
2012-07-29 06:34:03 PM  

Ryan2065: I read the headline to mean marijuana legalization with some restrictions, like alcohol.


Makes sense to me.

Plenty of things that are slightly bad for ya are legal and restricted, this can easily be another. IF we let people drink beer, I don't see why we can't let them smoke pot.

If pot makes you lazy, so what? Responsible people can wait to smoke up until after their work for the day is done, exactly how responsible drinkers wait until after work to crack open that first beer.
 
2012-07-29 06:34:27 PM  

Evil Canadian: ultraholland: Gyrfalcon: 1. Pot calms you down, hence, if you're psycho, you probably remain psycho, but less overtly and at less harm to yourself and others.

I had a certifiable girlfriend who went off the deep end when she smoked pot, so I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

cool anecdote?

Unfortunately, a too true anecdote as I have seen it happen with my son when he was in a similar situation.


Not an anecdote, merely a wild overgeneralization. I've known plenty of genuine psychos who had a much easier time of it ON pot than off. Your mileage may vary. It was just a common-sense reason why the author's claim MIGHT be true.

I suspect that, if an actual study could be done, we would find that bipolar individuals might well be helped by pot, and schizophrenics would not; or vice versa; but until doctors can do actual studies in psychiatric hospitals, this will remain conjecture. Which is sad, because think how much better life for people with refractory depression or psychotic mania would be if they could just eat a couple pot cookies and get through their day.
 
2012-07-29 06:35:22 PM  
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2012-07-29 06:35:28 PM  
I remember a study done AFAIK in New South Wales in Australia. They looked at car accidents and what drugs if any each driver was on. What they found with weed was that it made you more likely to be involved in an accident but less likely for that accident to be your fault. I remember you were less likely to cause an accident driving stoned than someone totally sober...

Mind you, it seems to make you a bit oblivious to dangers.
 
2012-07-29 06:35:45 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.


That worked so well last time...
 
2012-07-29 06:37:36 PM  

AndreMA: OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot

Actually we need something that measures impairment, unlike BAC.


The police could check what music you're listening to when you get pulled over.
Pink Floyd or Bob Marley is a fine, Sublime will get you arrested, and Monster Magnet gets you a police escort to your destination.
 
2012-07-29 06:37:59 PM  

Explodo: Marijuana doesn't make you lazy. If you're already a lazy person, then you're just more likely to be lazy when you smoke pot. If you're an active person, then you're more likely to be active when you smoke pot. Try going amongst those who actively use the mountains a lot for manual(not motorized) recreation. Take a poll amongst avid hikers, mountain bikers, and climbers. About 70% of the ones that I've known enjoy smoking pot and doing their thing. Are hiking, mountain biking, and climbing lazy things to do? I think not.

The argument about it making you lazy reminds me of an old bigoted welder I know whose son turned into a pothead:

"He started smoking pot all the time and it made him useless." I just didn't have the heart to tell him that his son was already useless, but that was a convenient thing for him to blame it on.


I've been saying this for decades, after my own dive through the drug scene. If all pot was magically disappeared from the planet, the people who are lazy potheads would remain lazy; they just couldn't blame it on the pot. Shiftless people will always find a way to remain shiftless; it's in their blood.
 
2012-07-29 06:38:28 PM  

fireclown: TiiiMMMaHHH: It cant be regulated, therefore it wont be legalized. the one thing alcohol and tobacco have in common are that they involve specialized, mechanized, curing and refining processes. This makes it incredibly easy to regulate and tax wholly. Taxing mary jane would be on the honor system.

I'm not sure growing your own weed is different from my homebrew hard cider. I can brew X amount, and I can't sell it, or I'm commiting a crime. I could probably go over that limit for a while, but I could conceivably get caught. More likely my GF would turn me in. She's not a huge fan 'o the press.


You are wrong. It really doesn't take much good weed to get a really good buzz on. A single person using an efficient system(bong) can spend a good evening high on about a teaspoon of good stuff, a tablespoon if you're really getting ripped all night. On the other hand, for a person to spend an evening with a good buzz on with alcohol takes significantly more, and a lot more to be ripped all night. It's easy to drink up a homebrew batch really quickly. If you're running 10 well-kept plants, you'll get plenty pretty easily.
 
2012-07-29 06:38:46 PM  
"A widow and her four children have been driven insane by eating the Marihuana plant, and one of those children grew up to be
Michele Bachmann, and now you know the rest of the story."
 
2012-07-29 06:38:47 PM  
muldoon:
No. We need an impairment test period. It doesn't have to be pot specific.

If you just drove your car into my house I personally do not care if you are drunk, have not slept in 30 hours, high on your prescription medicine, just took a bunch of off the shelf cold medicine or benadryl. The issue is impairment and the test should test for it. Determining specific levels of certain chemicals is just bullshiat.


This is far, far too much wisdom in this post. And common sense. And truth.
 
2012-07-29 06:38:48 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: It cant be regulated, therefore it wont be legalized. the one thing alcohol and tobacco have in common are that they involve specialized, mechanized, curing and refining processes. This makes it incredibly easy to regulate and tax wholly. Taxing mary jane would be on the honor system.


Oregon's proposed Measure 80 (on the ballot in November) allows people to grow their own marijuana (and, obviously, without tax). DISTRIBUTION is a different animal (regulation exists, and sellers need to be licensed), and should be considered as such. I think the proposal, at least in those respects, is the best of both worlds.

Sure, there will be people who grow pot and sell it to their buddies (just like people usually don't pay taxes on garage sales), but that's STILL going to be a net gain for the government compared to today.
 
2012-07-29 06:39:05 PM  

Weaver95: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

read that one again: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

you cannot argue with these facts. this has been scientifically proven - cannabis does not meet the requirements of Schedule I. you MUST accept this fact, you have no choice in the matter. And once you do admit to the facts involved...then the entire argument against legalization falls apart.


It was put on the Schedule not for medical risk, but financial. Purely financial, since the paper industry really didn't like the idea of cheap hemp paper. Not with being heavily invested in timber. Since then, it has been kept there to bolster police budgets, to up conviction rates, keep prison industry revenues up, and make "tough on crime" folks look better.

There are industries that would suffer terribly if marijuana were legalized. Paper and cotton would take a hit. Lawyers and those invested in the justice system for their silvers would take a hit. States would see convictions go down, and that would make a lot of politicians' schemes to build up a story of how we HAVE to crack down on certain types turn to lies.

It would have benefits. State budgets for law enforcement could actually go to chasing violent criminals. The DEA could focus on dangerous drugs, and turn over marijuana over as a tax issue. Prison populations would go down, and that would save the taxpayers a fair amount, which actually could then go to other projects, and ease budgets across the nation. Industries could then invest in applications for hemp and hemp related products, which would be a whole NEW industry, and inject a lot of capital into the markets. It would bolster entrepreneurs, and some of the growers who are now looking to hide their cash, might actually see not just a solid return, but even find investors, as well as become consultants to the nascent companies formed, and craft growers would spring up across the nation.

It is asinine to keep at this, especially given how the whole thing got started. Hemp and marijuana were competitors to industries that had deep enough pockets to buy off their Congresscritters. Heck, the reasoning keeps changing. Dangerous narcotic that caused folks to go kill crazy, to too apathetic to fight our wars. More addictive than heroin, and no medical value, to so inoffensive that it wouldn't have any value.

It boils down to a simple fact: certain interests have don't want market competition, and industries have sprung up to assist the efforts to KEEP marijuana illegal. And it's asinine. We waste a huge amount of money interdicting and chasing down growers and users, and use marijuana as an excuse to bust people, when most cops don't really care, so long as folks keep it down, and stay off the road.

I don't smoke the stuff--I prefer tobacco and alcohol personally--but I don't care what people do in their own homes. We can save a lot of taxpayer cash, and promote new entrepreneurs. It makes financial sense to end this mess. Not for some, and holding the nation back for the benefit of a few is what this has done.
 
2012-07-29 06:40:18 PM  
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2012-07-29 06:41:02 PM  

Weaver95: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

read that one again: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

you cannot argue with these facts. this has been scientifically proven - cannabis does not meet the requirements of Schedule I. you MUST accept this fact, you have no choice in the matter. And once you do admit to the facts involved...then the entire argument against legalization falls apart.


Arbitrary classification is arbitrary. Agree with you on all tenets, though.
 
2012-07-29 06:41:37 PM  
I agree: it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Treat it like alcohol, regulate and punish someone who gets high and goes out and melts down a bus load of nuns.

/Nun soup?
//yadda yadda, melting exaggeration, but should someone stoned out of their gourd cause some horrible incident because they didn't know any better, throw the book at them.
 
2012-07-29 06:42:14 PM  

Weaver95: Ryan2065: The My Little Pony Killer: So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.

I read the headline to mean marijuana legalization with some restrictions, like alcohol.

I could live with that.


As long as it makes sport shooting of meth users legal.
 
2012-07-29 06:43:19 PM  

PirateKing: The continued illegality of pot is the surest sign that we are NOT living in some sort of wacky conspiracy universe.

No self-respecting cabal of shadowy powers would keep something illegal that makes the populace docile and eager to consume.


It's not shadowy powers. It's just a few industries and the folks who've sprung up to profit from its illegality. It isn't about controlling the populace, but cutting down on competition. It is the very opposite of a free market, which is why it chafes me so. It is about inculcating a Nanny State, and should be antithetical to any form of Republican stance, and yet, the strongest supporters are folks who on the R side of the aisle, because they get a strong boost from the folks who profit from its illegality.
 
2012-07-29 06:43:26 PM  

elchip: [www.bc.edu image 850x553]

Don't worry, Socrates, it's just a plant.

/Anti-prohibition
//But the "just a plant" argument is overly simplistic


It was always: "Socrates, what is truth? Socrates, what is the nature of the good? Socrates, what should I order? Socrates, what are you having?" And not once did anyone ever say: "Socrates, hemlock is poison!"
 
2012-07-29 06:43:34 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

//citation; http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

/Eat a cock trollmitter.


The jury is still out on a number of those claims, particularly its carcinogenic properties and its effects on the brain.

It's not that easy to perform large-scale, controlled double-blind studies on something that's illegal in most countries.
 
2012-07-29 06:43:49 PM  
I love the idealist argument that if you legalize pot, all the gang members, mobsters, and dealers involved in it's trade are just going accept the fact that they've been put out if business and move on. What will happen is either

A. The taxes will make weed so expensive that the black market for it will continue to flourish, and probably get bigger, exacerbating the problems associated with this

Or B. The market for black market weed will collapse entirely, and the dealers will just start pushing coke and heroin instead.
 
2012-07-29 06:44:02 PM  
I am a nicotine addict in recovery, 6404 days today, and I can assure you: the only medication I have ever found which will knock the edge off withdrawal pangs to where the average person can almost stand them is hemp: 250--500 MG at 2--4 hour intervals.

Nicotine is what "smack" wants to be when it grows up, and alcohol is nearly as addictive.

Figure out how much tax revenue would be lost on 50 million smokers and 70 million drunks, and you see for yourself why they don't want to legalize this stuff.
 
2012-07-29 06:45:06 PM  

SpeedyBB: Mr. Potatoass: I quit smoking pot from 1980, to 2008.
I seems to have gotten a little stronger, in that time.

How much stronger do you seems to have gotten, stranger?


LOL

I could smoke a joint, by myself, back in the day, and be buzzed, but functional.
One good hit, nowadays, and I'm not getting out of the chair for a while.

/Sure as hell is cheaper than the mountain of blow I did between1982-2007
 
2012-07-29 06:45:51 PM  

Wolf892: pxlboy: Wolf892: The only reason I don't want it legalized is because I know I wont be able to walk through the park or the halls of my apartment building or sit in a restaurant or pretty much go anywhere without having to smell the sickening stench of that crap. People will overuse it and there will be clouds of the stink seeping in everywhere.

Because smoking hasn't been banned in many public establishments? Settle down.

Doesn't help the apartment situation, or people walking around with it in their clothing, or at the parks. Its stench gets everywhere and I shouldn't have to be nauseated by it.


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2012-07-29 06:46:29 PM  

hubiestubert: It is the very opposite of a free market


Remember, the "free market" is only "free" when it is allowed to create monopolization across all industries.

USA! USA! USA!

/incidentally you're the only person I think I have favorited on Fark
//so beam away for the rest of the day, you're popular!
 
2012-07-29 06:48:06 PM  
Too many potheads are useless eaters.
 
2012-07-29 06:48:14 PM  

apres_ski_god: chaoswolf: fark the market and fark the government. I should be able to grow it in the back yard next to the tomatoes.

Homer got Tomaco ... What would you get?


Tomatajuana.

To be honest, I would juice a bunch of it even without crossbreeding.
 
2012-07-29 06:48:50 PM  

Explodo: Jackal_N: tomWright: Cannabis has been responsible for, (last time I checked), exactly 0 deaths from overdose.

About the only ways cannabis can kill you is if:
A bale of it falls on your head
An organized crime gangster kills you in a dispute involving it
An overzealous drug cop kills you in a dispute involving it
You light yourself on fire in a strange accident involving a joint, lighter fluid and a malfunctioning barbeque while attempting to satisfy your munchies
Cheetos overdose, which is no laughing matter


Legalize it, regulate it, make it safe

Agreed.
You would think it would be legal as soon as they figure out that they can regulate it like tobacco from ground to pipe, so to speak, and tax the hell out of it. There is too much money to be made for the government to ignore it, so you have to ask who/what is profiting from it's being kept illegal???

I'd like to see it delivered like pizza... don't want to get behind all of the extra extra slow drivers.
Cheetos overdose... that's too painful to contemplate.

You don't ask much. Mary Jane is super-easy to grow. Anyone who was interested in doing so could easily grow all they need. Easy to grow means no revenue stream from taxes. There's therefore less financial incentive for deregulation.


Except that most people can't be bothered to water their houseplants, let alone put in the effort to grow good weed.

I agree with the beer homebrew comparison. You could, but why bother?
 
2012-07-29 06:48:50 PM  

spman: I love the idealist argument that if you legalize pot, all the gang members, mobsters, and dealers involved in it's trade are just going accept the fact that they've been put out if business and move on. What will happen is either

A. The taxes will make weed so expensive that the black market for it will continue to flourish, and probably get bigger, exacerbating the problems associated with this

Or B. The market for black market weed will collapse entirely, and the dealers will just start pushing coke and heroin instead.



Your assumptions are flawed and here are some points you should consider:

A) Marijuana is so easy to grow that everyone would know where to get it cheaply
Even if you weren't growing it yourself, you'd likely know someone who was who'd probably just give you some.
B) Everyone who smokes pot would go on to do some other more dangerous drug
The gangs' customer base would shrink drastically.
 
2012-07-29 06:49:41 PM  

OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot


*sigh*

Yet again, this is attempting to solve the wrong problem.

When concerned about safety and things like DUI, this problem isn't "how much drug is this person currently on?", but "Do they have the necessary abilities to drive the car safely".

It doesn't matter the amount of THC, ethanol, or anything else the person might be using: if your reaction time, for example, is insufficient, you shouldn't be driving the damn car. Even better, not only is it future-proof against any other drug invented in the future, but this catches non-drug problems as well, such as the one that is probably the #1 issue on the highways right now: sleep deprivation.

If you've had a bunch of alcohol, but the test proves your abilities are still reasonable... meh. I'm not worried about you. If you've been up for 27 hours and starting to miss things like that stop sign over there, you're the actual danger.

It's probably even fairly simple and cheap to measure ability, too: if we can make a Nintendo DS for less than a couple hundred dollars, it shouldn't be more than that to make some sort of simulator that runs through a quick driving test.
 
2012-07-29 06:50:04 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Fact 6: Marijuana, unlike alcohol and tobacco, can easily be grown by anybody, nearly anywhere. Think about the job creators!


I assure you that anyone can make alcohol.

As a home brewer with less than 6 months experience, i'm pretty sure that almost anyone can even make good alcoholic beverages.

Beer, wine, and mead are relatively difficult compared to just straight up hooch, too. If you feel like resorting to sugar water with some carrot puree and bread yeast and then distilling it on the stove, you can in fact do that and it will work.

With the right yeast and nutrient mix and the right fermentation conditions you can get a 20% alcohol beverage ready to drink in about 3 days.
 
2012-07-29 06:50:33 PM  

ultraholland: Marijuana inappropriately touched me at summer camp.


You've got to be careful. For summertime fun, I recommend Acapulco Gold. Always, always stay away from the Sundusky Red.
 
2012-07-29 06:50:34 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

//citation; http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

/Eat a cock trollmitter.


Oh yeah, that website is a totally unbiased and credible source. Case closed, time to legalize it.
 
2012-07-29 06:51:42 PM  

pdkl95: Even better, not only is it future-proof against any other drug invented in the future, but this catches non-drug problems as well, such as the one that is probably the #1 issue on the highways right now: sleep deprivation general inattentiveness.


/ftfy
//could have also gone with "old people"
 
2012-07-29 06:52:33 PM  
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/hotter than a Proto-Pipe after a once-around.
 
2012-07-29 06:52:37 PM  

Asa Phelps: Captain_Ballbeard: Fact 6: Marijuana, unlike alcohol and tobacco, can easily be grown by anybody, nearly anywhere. Think about the job creators!

I assure you that anyone can make alcohol.

As a home brewer with less than 6 months experience, i'm pretty sure that almost anyone can even make good alcoholic beverages.

Beer, wine, and mead are relatively difficult compared to just straight up hooch, too. If you feel like resorting to sugar water with some carrot puree and bread yeast and then distilling it on the stove, you can in fact do that and it will work.

With the right yeast and nutrient mix and the right fermentation conditions you can get a 20% alcohol beverage ready to drink in about 3 days.


But it'll likely taste like crap.
 
2012-07-29 06:53:27 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: You've got to be careful. For summertime fun, I recommend Acapulco Gold. Always, always stay away from the Sundusky Red.


Stay away from the Sandusky Pink, too.
 
2012-07-29 06:53:32 PM  

BronyMedic: Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, the same as alcohol and cigs. Not only would it bring in millions of dollars for the state and federal governments, it would eliminate a large subset of crime, both violent and non, and free up our prison and penal system from thousands of frivolous cases each year.

But, that said, let's not pretend that Marijuana is completely harmless. It has the same level of harm as long-term tobacco use. And you really don't want to use it if you're schizophrenic.


Only the same long term effects if you smoke the same amount as cigarettes and that's pretty much impossible, most of my friends that smoke cigarettes go through a pack a day. If you can smoke 20 joints a day then you must be a God or Tommy Chong...
 
2012-07-29 06:54:12 PM  
You people do understand that there is more than one kind of marijuana, right? Just like there are different kinds of roses and tomatoes?

There are over 14,000 strains of cannabis, each with its own unique effects, its own potency, its own smell and taste, and its own drawbacks.

Some strains will make you lazy. Some will make you hyper. Some help with pain, some with depression, some with nausea or spastic episodes. Some exacerbate these. Some smell great and some smell like shiat. I even know of a strain that is in development that doesn't get you high at all.

It isn't a wonder plant. It is a collection of over 14,000 different amazing plants with various effects that can make your symptoms better or worse depending on which you use.

Legalization will lead to some pretty awesome and thorough research being done, some of which is already getting underway in the MMJ community.


People need to get that.
 
2012-07-29 06:54:21 PM  

Explodo: But it'll likely taste like crap.


Mexican dirt drink?

/you can make sangria in the turlit
//'course it's shank or be shanked
 
2012-07-29 06:54:36 PM  

fireclown: Gyrfalcon: 5. Doctors decided which other drugs should be Schedule I; Congress decided on marijuana.

Damned good point.


it's not the doctors business any more than the politicians what I choose to consume.
 
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