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(Slashdot)   Anti-fracking claims may not be entirely scientific, may have an agenda behind them, and may in fact be complete nonsense. But they mean well, so there's that   ( divider line
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2012-07-23 08:38:28 AM  
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Well if all claims are bogus then why are you so opposed to the Arkansas Department of Environmental Quality regulating you instead of the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission. If all the claims are bogus then why do you need a waiver from the Clean Water Act?
2012-07-23 08:50:16 AM  
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I understand the lovely illustrations that show the gas pockets are way below the water table. But. The lovely illustrations rarely show close details of the casing/water table interface. And that's where the big problem is with contaminating the water. Those casings are shiat, and they leak. That, and the unconscionable practice of open evaporation pools on the surface, for "produced water", full of all the toxic additives used.
2012-07-23 10:51:11 AM  
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Science is always correct when it supports my political beliefs.
2012-07-23 10:32:16 AM  
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Egoy3k: Anti-fracking and anti-wind farm activists can all FOAD for all I care. I'm sick and tired of hearing some busybody housewife piss and moan about the potential 'health hazards' associated with wind farms, then saying something like "We need a moratorium on wind farm construction until the science is setteled. As a mother I have a right to be heard." The science is settled, just not in the way you think it should be so STFU.

The fracking activists at least have valid environmental concerns even if you only consider the end use of the fuel produced. My issue with them is that they tout out the insane shiat like "it causes earthquakes" and "flammable tap-water".

Read up on the case history of fracking disposal wells in the Greenbriar-Conway-Searcy area in Arkansas. Fracking waste water disposal broke loose a series of quakes there that still fires up from time to time. Citation? Here and here, and also here.
And this is fun to watch as well.
And this is the area in question. Nothing active this week so far, but they typically have 2-7 a week there.
2012-07-23 09:41:28 AM  
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You mean the whole climate thing is utter bullshiat? Who would have guessed that after 50 years of evidence.
2012-07-23 09:12:41 AM  
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My father, a geologist who used to work for one of the big oil companies, says that the science is anything but complete on fracking, and a great of research and study remains to be done before we can know and say more about it. Which only means that we just don't know, but we should all keep an open mind on it for now. There are many ways that the same effects can result without fracking -- yes, even in areas where it may not have been reported before (or at least recorded -- lack of records does not in itself mean lack of incidents). There's good reason for concern. But at this point, there's not yet reason for panic.

It's important to bear in mind, at least, that correlation is not causation. I've read many times over the years that John Wayne's fatal lung cancer likely resulted from his shooting a movie at (or near) a former A-bomb test site. Apparently, his pack-a-day habit is less likely a reason. So everyone just needs to chill out until more science is in. That means that fracking operators also need to actively participate in ongoing studies, and people in the community need to be aware that geology is a lot more comlicated than, 'stuff goes in, stuff comes out.'
2012-07-23 08:39:21 AM  
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The All-Powerful Atheismo: Totally not evidence:

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Except that methane in well water happens in area that fracking has never occurred. One of the causes is drilling water wells near coal seams. Once the water is drawn down a certain amount, the methane starts infiltrating from the coal.

It may not explain all the cases, but that is one confirmed cause.
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