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bwilson27

2012-07-22 12:57:37 PM

So are you pro Batman or anti Batman? The world needs to know right now!

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!

2012-07-22 12:58:19 PM

An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry"?

wtfamireading?

simplicimus

2012-07-22 01:00:14 PM

I just want to know where the gunman got the SWAT outfit. They sell this stuff to the general public?

SPna15

2012-07-22 01:00:35 PM

What better time to brIng up a debate about gun control and our shiatty mental health services than after a crazy dude goes on a mass killing spree?

offmymeds

2012-07-22 01:02:14 PM

Yes, it's truly a sad state of affairs when political opportunism takes a back seat to reasonable discussion.

bigsteve3OOO

2012-07-22 01:02:18 PM

Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

b0rg9

2012-07-22 01:03:58 PM

Ugh, as with most everything in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle -- between "this is the price we pay for not having to live in a total police state" to "maybe we should watch the sale of large amounts of ammo closer like we do with the chemicals to make meth, etc.".

Short of creating a jackboot thug police state to live in or inventing some magical gun disintegrator the only thing reasonable, to me anyway, is to watch closer the sales of ammo that fuel attacks like this. I'm not even sure that that would offer much.

Anyway, right after a tragedy like this is probably the exact wrong time to attempt any reasoned discussion.

lilbjorn

2012-07-22 01:04:29 PM

Ha! Reminds me of how Boston sports radio is constantly frothing at the mouth that Bellichick doesn't say outrageous things (like Rex Ryan) to give them fodder and make their jobs easier. BTW, they lobbied HARD to get Bobby Valentine for the Red Sox.

EyeballKid

2012-07-22 01:05:53 PM

Weren't we told after the Giffords shooting that it wasn't the right time to discuss gun control? I bet the same people who said that then are the same people who say that now, and they all won't want to discuss gun control unless the discussion is, "Screw gun control. We need more guns, 'cos non-whites are scary, and not everybody can afford a huge vehicle to compensate for their tiny penis."

crab66

2012-07-22 01:06:45 PM

Well I reached my monumentally dumb shiat quota for the day. Thanks Fark.

Snatch Bandergrip

2012-07-22 01:06:51 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Ask Osama bin Laden.

Lost Thought 00

2012-07-22 01:06:55 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry"?

wtfamireading?

It is in NY.

wedun

2012-07-22 01:07:32 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry"?

wtfamireading?

Agrees

bigsteve3OOO

2012-07-22 01:08:15 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Ask Osama bin Laden.

Both tried.

wolfjc

2012-07-22 01:08:36 PM

"I just want to know where the gunman got the SWAT outfit. They sell this stuff to the general public?"

Yes some one last night said on FOX News that you can buy that type of outfit on E-BAY.

wolfjc

2012-07-22 01:10:54 PM

"An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry?"

It is if no one else has ANY weapons.

Great_Milenko

2012-07-22 01:11:54 PM

wolfjc: "An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry?"

It is if no one else has ANY weapons.

Blow it out your ass.

thamike

2012-07-22 01:13:30 PM

Can you imagine what the NY Daily News Op-Ed would be saying if Obama had?

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!

2012-07-22 01:14:40 PM

wolfjc: "An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry?"

It is if no one else has ANY weapons.

So issue everyone a sidearm with their learner's permit.

/problem solved.
//armed, polite, all that.

Great_Milenko: Blow it out your ass.

Or that.

thamike

2012-07-22 01:14:42 PM

Great_Milenko: wolfjc: "An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry?"

It is if no one else has ANY weapons.

Blow it out your ass.

Wouldn't that qualify as an assault weapon?

E.S.Q.

2012-07-22 01:15:16 PM

thamike

2012-07-22 01:15:23 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: So issue everyone a sidearm with their learner's permit.

It worked for cars, right?

FishStampede

2012-07-22 01:16:25 PM

I can.

Spare Me

2012-07-22 01:17:37 PM

simplicimus: I just want to know where the gunman got the SWAT outfit. They sell this stuff to the general public?

Yes. Including body armor.

simplicimus

2012-07-22 01:19:23 PM

wolfjc: "I just want to know where the gunman got the SWAT outfit. They sell this stuff to the general public?"

Yes some one last night said on FOX News that you can buy that type of outfit on E-BAY.

Well, buying that stuff might be noteworthy to authorities, unless you're going up against well armed deer.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!

2012-07-22 01:21:16 PM

simplicimus: Well, buying that stuff might be noteworthy to authorities,

I'll prepare for the zombie apocalypse however the fark I want, tyvm.

HotWingConspiracy

2012-07-22 01:23:45 PM

Yeah they should wait for at least a few more gun massacres committed by responsible gun owners before addressing anything.

SN1987a goes boom

2012-07-22 01:24:21 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Snatch Bandergrip: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Ask Osama bin Laden.

Both tried.

b0rg9

2012-07-22 01:25:09 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I'll prepare for the zombie apocalypse however the fark I want, tyvm.

Hehe, I was going to ask what you'd need body armor for against zombies. But like "The Walking Dead" and other zombie flicks have shown, one must protect themselves against the living as much as the undead.

Spare Me

2012-07-22 01:26:02 PM

simplicimus: Well, buying that stuff might be noteworthy to authorities, unless you're going up against well armed deer.

As long as we monitor sales of clown suits too. They cause far more harm than good.

simplicimus

2012-07-22 01:28:54 PM

Spare Me: simplicimus: Well, buying that stuff might be noteworthy to authorities, unless you're going up against well armed deer.

As long as we monitor sales of clown suits too. They cause far more harm than good.

It's not the clown suits that cause harm, it's the makeup.

Garble

2012-07-22 01:28:58 PM

b0rg9: Ugh, as with most everything in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle -- between "this is the price we pay for not having to live in a total police state" to "maybe we should watch the sale of large amounts of ammo closer like we do with the chemicals to make meth, etc.".
Short of creating a jackboot thug police state to live in or inventing some magical gun disintegrator the only thing reasonable, to me anyway, is to watch closer the sales of ammo that fuel attacks like this. I'm not even sure that that would offer much.
Anyway, right after a tragedy like this is probably the exact wrong time to attempt any reasoned discussion.

What drives me crazy about any gun related discussion is that everyone is basically in the middle. But EVERY argument gets turned into a discussion of extremes. No one thinks we should confiscate all weapons. No one thinks weaponized anthrax should be sold to the general public. So everyone in America is in 100% agreement that we will have both guns and some reasonable laws regarding them. But anytime a topic comes up about a specific gun law, instead of arguing the merits of that law, it becomes:
Line 1: "The 2nd Amendment is absolute!"
Line 2: "Not it isn't."
Line 3: "Yes it is!"
Line 4: Go to line 2

Mantour

2012-07-22 01:30:37 PM

Patience, the leader of the GOP is too busy reading comic books yet to comment on the Aurora Tragedy.

Last Man on Earth

2012-07-22 01:31:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they should wait for at least a few more gun massacres committed by responsible gun owners before addressing anything.

Okay, I'm not taking a side on the whole gun-control shiatstorm, but that argument is a complete load and you know it. Any gun owner who uses it for a massacre automatically doesn't qualify as responsible. Any time something like this happens, that "responsible gun owner" line is brought out as a No True Scotsman. "Well, he doesn't count! He's not a RESPONSIBLE owner!" Seems like pretty good fire control to me, he knew how to use the guns he owned, and they were apparently kept in functional condition. Seems "responsible" enough ownership to at least merit the discussion, regardless of the regrettable use.

StoneColdAtheist

2012-07-22 01:32:01 PM

Meh...not to worry. There are plenty of the usual suspects willing taking up the faux-rage here on Fark.

Giltric

2012-07-22 01:36:28 PM

I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

The Name

2012-07-22 01:36:55 PM

This is how the "national dialogue" on gun control always goes after one of these massacres, and how it will inevitably go this time:

Responsible Citizen: "Oh my gosh, that's terrible! So many people killed! And apparently the gunman got those very high-powered weapons really easily. Maybe its time we talk about regulating those things more closely."

Republican: "How can you possibly advocate taking away MAH FREEDUMS to carry around a small arsenal wherever I go! Guns don't kill people, people kill people!"

Responsible Citizen: "Oh, um okay, maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle. You're right to point out the obviously very large role of the gunman. How about we invest in public mental health facilities and outreach programs to depressed/mentally unstable people? And how about we launch a public initiative to decrease poverty, which has been proven to exacerbate violent crime rates?"

Republican: "Are you kidding?! That's socialism! That's TYRANNY! YOU MIGHT AS WELL SHOOT EVERYBODY IN THE FACE!"

Responsible Citizen: "Ugh . . . okay, so what do you think we should do?"

Republican: "MAKE EVERYONE BUY GUNS AND CARRY THEM AROUND WHEREVER THEY GO!"

Responsible Citizen: "fark it. I'll just buy a bullet-proof vest . . ."

*walks away*

Mrtraveler01

2012-07-22 01:39:58 PM

Giltric: I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

Let me guess, you're one of those folks who think that this would've all been prevented if they allowed CCW in cinemas in Aurora.

Because anyone can accurately shoot a guy in a dark and smoky movie theater without harming someone else unintentionally.

*rolls eyes*

NeoCortex42

2012-07-22 01:41:49 PM

Garble: b0rg9: Ugh, as with most everything in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle -- between "this is the price we pay for not having to live in a total police state" to "maybe we should watch the sale of large amounts of ammo closer like we do with the chemicals to make meth, etc.".
Short of creating a jackboot thug police state to live in or inventing some magical gun disintegrator the only thing reasonable, to me anyway, is to watch closer the sales of ammo that fuel attacks like this. I'm not even sure that that would offer much.
Anyway, right after a tragedy like this is probably the exact wrong time to attempt any reasoned discussion.

What drives me crazy about any gun related discussion is that everyone is basically in the middle. But EVERY argument gets turned into a discussion of extremes. No one thinks we should confiscate all weapons. No one thinks weaponized anthrax should be sold to the general public. So everyone in America is in 100% agreement that we will have both guns and some reasonable laws regarding them. But anytime a topic comes up about a specific gun law, instead of arguing the merits of that law, it becomes:
Line 1: "The 2nd Amendment is absolute!"
Line 2: "Not it isn't."
Line 3: "Yes it is!"
Line 4: Go to line 2

It certainly doesn't help when everyone twists the other side's opinion into complete fabrication. For instance, the tea partiers, thanks to Fox News, are convinced that Obama is teaming up with the UN to take away all guns from everybody. Fear-mongering like that makes intelligent discussion about policy specific completely impossible.

Millennium

2012-07-22 01:42:30 PM

Yes, as though this would have saved a single life.

thamike

2012-07-22 01:42:36 PM

The Name: This is how the "national dialogue" on gun control always goes after one of these massacres, and how it will inevitably go this time:

You forgot about blaming Marilyn Manson.

HotWingConspiracy

2012-07-22 01:43:40 PM

Last Man on Earth: Okay, I'm not taking a side on the whole gun-control shiatstorm, but that argument is a complete load and you know it. Any gun owner who uses it for a massacre automatically doesn't qualify as responsible. Any time something like this happens, that "responsible gun owner" line is brought out as a No True Scotsman.

My thing is the person that is responsible today is one perceived slight or bout of crazy away from being wildly irresponsible. I uh...don't generally trust people, and I can't think of anyone that should be allowed to possess the kinds and volume of weapons that this guy did. He looked great on paper, but here we are. There are a lot of unstable people in our midst.

Basically, I'm starting to look at anyone that owns arsenals as a future spree killer. There is quite literally no way to stop them.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!

2012-07-22 01:44:24 PM

Mrtraveler01: Giltric: I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

Let me guess, you're one of those folks who think that this would've all been prevented if they allowed CCW in cinemas in Aurora.

Because anyone can accurately shoot a guy in a dark and smoky movie theater without harming someone else unintentionally.

*rolls eyes*

So we replace P.E. with mandatory SWAT training in high school.

/bonus: Kids will actually get some excercise!
//do I have to think of everything around here?

Lost Thought 00

2012-07-22 01:44:30 PM

Millennium: Yes, as though this would have saved a single life.

Every life would have been saved if no one had lives in the first place.

/Only let the dead watch movies

Lost Thought 00

2012-07-22 01:46:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

sexy-fetus

2012-07-22 01:47:21 PM

Obamacare is more of a step in the right direction to prevent this sort of thing than any form of gun control. If this guy could have had some sort of mental health care for whatever demons he has this could have been prevented. We're close to the financial burden not being an issue and the next step is getting rid of the social stigma against mental problems.

Giltric

2012-07-22 01:48:02 PM

Not anyone....some people, sure.

Some groups do live fire training with living hostages sitting in front of paper targets.......

Are you saying it's impossible?

NeoCortex42

2012-07-22 01:49:42 PM

Lost Thought 00: HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

Or at the very least, a quick visit and interview by the cops. No charges or anything. Just a "Hey, you aren't going to use these to go on a rampage or anything? Are you?"

Once somebody starts orders thousands of rounds of ammunition, they should be on a watch list of some sort. Nothing to restrict any of their freedoms, but at least worth checking in with on a regular basis to make sure they're still thinking rationally.

Giltric

2012-07-22 01:50:48 PM

sexy-fetus: Obamacare is more of a step in the right direction to prevent this sort of thing than any form of gun control. If this guy could have had some sort of mental health care for whatever demons he has this could have been prevented. We're close to the financial burden not being an issue and the next step is getting rid of the social stigma against mental problems.

Obamacare will help cut costs by not testing everybody for every ailment under the sun when they are sick....how would Obamacare help us IRt this scenario again?

SCUBA_Archer

2012-07-22 01:51:07 PM

Lost Thought 00: HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

Holmes bought the guns and ammo within a span of 60 days. He had 300 to go before his next exam.

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