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2012-07-04 2:09:37 PM  
It's a good introduction.
 
2012-07-04 2:49:02 PM  
Well, basically it's the most important cosmological question ever answered, but there is still more work to do.
 
2012-07-04 3:56:17 PM  
Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.
 
2012-07-04 4:34:15 PM  

And can somebody explain it to me in cartoon form?


Words are sufficient.
 
2012-07-04 4:38:31 PM  
This is amazing!
Exactly what we thought is correct and it shows, nay, demands we do more research and need moar money.
 
2012-07-04 4:39:25 PM  
Wasn't Boson Higgs Sme's brother?
 
2012-07-04 4:40:36 PM  
Hey, Tziva! This looks like a job for the OMGOMGOMG dinosaur.
 
2012-07-04 4:42:07 PM  
I don't know too much about modern physics, but the Higgs boson goes far in explaining mass and gravity and really backs up the Standard Model of cosmology.

I think this is a very cool discovery, but think it's unfortunate that the phrase "God particle" was coined a while back. Now every Cretinist and Flat-Earther on the planet is going to think that this discovery somehow backs up their crackpot theories...
 
2012-07-04 4:44:06 PM  
 
2012-07-04 4:44:06 PM  
7 minute video =/= cartoon.

tl;dw
 
2012-07-04 4:44:13 PM  
And speaking of parity, I hope my Higgs bosoms come in pairs...

(...and are heaving, of course...)
 
2012-07-04 4:46:29 PM  
I saw that when it was Boobiesed on the PhD site. The narrator has a future in teaching and/or science advocacy if that whole cutting-edge-research-at-prestigious-institutions thing doesn't work out for him.
 
2012-07-04 4:49:27 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


Satyendra Nath Bose.
 
2012-07-04 4:49:41 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I want to know where the word boson came from.


Named after Bose.
 
2012-07-04 4:50:42 PM  
Invoking tiny internet fist...
 
2012-07-04 4:53:42 PM  
I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.
 
2012-07-04 4:56:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


A guy named Bose. The same guy Bose-Einstein condensates are named after, in fact.

\And those condensates are made of bosons.
 
2012-07-04 4:56:25 PM  
So if there is a God particle does this mean that there is a god?
 
2012-07-04 4:58:20 PM  

Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.


david_gaithersburg: So if there is a God particle does this mean that there is a god?


Surprised it took this long.
 
2012-07-04 4:59:30 PM  
Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.
 
2012-07-04 5:00:20 PM  
Hey, on this site I got my first gold medal in DNT+!
farkers...
 
2012-07-04 5:01:45 PM  
If you were thinking "what's the difference between a animation and a cartoon and can someone explain it to me in words?", you may want to hold off on submitting for a while.
 
2012-07-04 5:04:24 PM  
I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt
 
2012-07-04 5:05:29 PM  

proteus_b: If you were thinking "what's the difference between a animation and a cartoon and can someone explain it to me in words?", you may want to hold off on submitting for a while.


Anime is not cartoons!!
 
2012-07-04 5:12:17 PM  
I don't know why, but I can never get Vimeo videos embedded in other sites to play. I always have to go to the video's own page.
 
2012-07-04 5:18:15 PM  

5 Cent Monkey: Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.


I thought that god was disproved the same way that santa and the easter bunny were disproved. They were all made up to control children and feeble minded people.
 
2012-07-04 5:18:26 PM  
40 billion collisions a second? 24x7x365?! Holy fark that's a lot of data!!!

I had no idea. That's pretty biatchin.
 
2012-07-04 5:26:13 PM  
 
2012-07-04 5:26:15 PM  

5 Cent Monkey: Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.


Well, it certainly doesn't disprove Thor or Zeus either! Ha ha!
 
2012-07-04 5:27:12 PM  
Scientists really like it when you call the Higgs "The God Particle".
 
2012-07-04 5:28:11 PM  

The Green Intern: I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt


There's actually been several competing theories put forward, so we've not just confirmed a theory, we've probably eliminated some alternatives.

\No, I don't know what applications this might have, but then I've never really been a particle physics person. But very few of the really revolutionary experimental results of the last century had any immediately obvious applications.
 
2012-07-04 5:28:22 PM  

The Green Intern: I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt


Eh I asked pretty much the same question in the other thread and the best answer was it might lead to some practical use eventually.

No jet packs or three boobed alien chicks though.

Not that it detracts from the importance of the discovery in theoretical physics circles, but for 99% of the world it won't really change anything.
 
2012-07-04 5:29:27 PM  
Better:

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2012-07-04 5:30:11 PM  

boozehat: 40 billion collisions a second? 24x7x365?! Holy fark that's a lot of data!!!

I had no idea. That's pretty biatchin.


HAHAHA
I got a tour of the data collection facilites at fermilabs - 20 years ago. They were running massive numbers of parallel exabyte tape drives to just COLLECT the data.

I would guess that they are running massive parallel SSDs and HDs these days. But still, the numbers are daunting.
 
2012-07-04 5:31:30 PM  

FuturePastNow: I don't know why, but I can never get Vimeo videos embedded in other sites to play. I always have to go to the video's own page.


I have found it's usually because of AdBlock, Flashblock or some combination. On this particular page I don't even see there is a video at all in Firefox even with all scripts enabled. In Chrome I can see it but it won't play (have Flashblock and Adblock there too).
 
2012-07-04 5:34:11 PM  
Link
~15 petabytes/year - only 15,000 TB/year .... 40 TB/day
Sounds like the average TFers porn collection.
 
2012-07-04 5:34:39 PM  
How long until Mass Effect drives?
 
2012-07-04 5:34:51 PM  
So this means that ghosts are simply the active particles outside the three dominant ones becoming active. Absolutely nothing supernatural; just another state of "being". Who knows about consciousness with those things...

Cool.

/...
 
2012-07-04 5:38:35 PM  

snocone: This is amazing!
Exactly what we thought is correct and it shows, nay, demands we do more research and need moar money.


Bingo; the grants must flow.......
 
2012-07-04 5:40:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Better:

[i.imgur.com image 320x480]


Trolololololol.
 
2012-07-04 5:41:06 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


They obey Bose statistics (named after a guy named Bose, as pointed out earlier), in which a bunch can occupy the same state at once in the same place. Contrast this with Fermions, which obey Fermi statistics (and the Pauli exclusion principle).
 
2012-07-04 5:41:15 PM  

Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.


Thus demonstrating someone else's intellectual superiority....why, that would be YOU, wouldn't it? You smart guy, you......
 
2012-07-04 5:48:04 PM  

The Green Intern: but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".


It's the last piece. The Standard Model has worked pretty well over the years, but there was always this missing particle. Without it, the Standard Model was, well, the standard model - but we were not sure it was the standard model because it was (relatively) right or because we happened to have figured out some fundamental principles of the universe, but were glaringly wrong about others. The finding of the Higgs boson says that - for the level of accuracy we can account for with current information - the Standard Model is correct. It would be like if there was an airline crash, and you were looking for the bodies - but you had no idea of the numbers/names of the people on the plane, just the maximum possible seats. We've been staring at the one unaccounted for seat for awhile now, wondering if there is a missing body, or was the seat empty to begin with. We found the body, and can stop looking. it isn't going to likely do anything spectacularly different - it's existence has always been part of the Standard Model, so nothing "changed" today. The more likely game-changer will be when the LHC pops out something we don't expect
 
2012-07-04 5:51:12 PM  

Big Ramifications: [i49.tinypic.com image 416x300]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/history/ new sid_8513000/8513288.stm

~
This is the first Higgs Boson thread I've read, and wouldn't it be funny if ship's bosun jokes had been done to death and Farkers are starting to say I swear to God I'm going to track down and pistol whip the next guy who says ship's bosun.
 
2012-07-04 5:51:37 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


It's a typo. The actual word is "bosom".
 
2012-07-04 5:58:12 PM  

phalamir: We found the body, and can stop looking. it isn't going to likely do anything spectacularly different - it's existence has always been part of the Standard Model, so nothing "changed" today. The more likely game-changer will be when the LHC pops out something we don't expect


Which also happened with this announcement- the decay into a pair of gamma photons happened with a frequency greater than predicted by the Standard Model. That could mean a number of things, including a pointer to a whole set of new particles not predicted by the Standard Model. Or it could just be experimental bias, or a bunch of other things. The important point is: things did change.
 
2012-07-04 5:58:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Better:

[i.imgur.com image 320x480]



Epic.
 
2012-07-04 6:01:10 PM  
You scientists can't fool me. The answer is God.
 
2012-07-04 6:04:40 PM  

namatad: Link
~15 petabytes/year - only 15,000 TB/year .... 40 TB/day
Sounds like the average TFers porn collection.


Mom always said I was above average.


/still wish she'd stop sending pictures
//and videos
///"Wait, that isn't Dad!"
 
2012-07-04 6:07:06 PM  
Hawking now owes Higgs $100 to pay off a bet.
 
2012-07-04 6:07:10 PM  

t3knomanser: phalamir: We found the body, and can stop looking. it isn't going to likely do anything spectacularly different - it's existence has always been part of the Standard Model, so nothing "changed" today. The more likely game-changer will be when the LHC pops out something we don't expect

Which also happened with this announcement- the decay into a pair of gamma photons happened with a frequency greater than predicted by the Standard Model. That could mean a number of things, including a pointer to a whole set of new particles not predicted by the Standard Model. Or it could just be experimental bias, or a bunch of other things. The important point is: things did change.


But they still won't make the delirious Space Nutter fantasies a reality.
 
2012-07-04 6:12:10 PM  

rico567: Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.

Thus demonstrating someone else's intellectual superiority....why, that would be YOU, wouldn't it? You smart guy, you......


Yes, I confess. I do, in fact, think I'm smarter than someone who sees "God particle" and celebrates scientists proving God's existence. Also, I am smarter than a potato.
 
2012-07-04 6:13:56 PM  
Being an olde phart, I remember (I was young) when the existence of quarks was confirmed. Even a few years later, in a physics course in college, the professor was still as excited as a little boy at Christmas when he talked about quarks. While this stuff is fascinating to a lot of people (myself included), this cartoon is about as much depth as we're going to understand. Nicely done.

As someone who reads nearly the complete works of Dr Seuss to his grandchildren, I'm wondering if this will turn into a "Horton Hears a Who" moment when we figure out that these subatomic particles are actually conglomerations of much smaller particles. Remember, it wasn't that long ago (relatively speaking) that atoms were theoretical.
 
2012-07-04 6:16:57 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Better:

[i.imgur.com image 320x480]


BWAHAHAHHAAHHA.

Abortions for everyone \o/!!!1
 
2012-07-04 6:17:16 PM  
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Higgs boson walks into a church. The priest says, "We don't want your kind in here. We worship God, not 'god particles'!"

The Higgs boson replied, "Then how can you have mass?"
 
2012-07-04 6:17:16 PM  
I like to think of myself as a pretty smart person, but whenever a physicist tries to explain particle physics to me I feel like my cat trying to comprehend internal combustion.
 
2012-07-04 6:18:02 PM  

The Green Intern: I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt



The Higgs Boson exists to interact with a permeating structure throughout all of the universe (The Higgs Field). The more "interaction" going on, the greater the mass an object will have. Wiki Page

I'm no expert of course, I just find this stuff interesting. In my head I'm thinking that if we understood the interaction going on between the Higgs Boson and the Higgs field, perhaps we could minimize the interactions in a given location of the field and thus, minimize the mass of an object in order to more easily propel it to velocities near that of light.

You might notice that gravity is also altered as a result of the mass of two objects in a system. So, zero G systems? Deep space flight? I don't know, but it's exciting.
 
2012-07-04 6:20:39 PM  

elffster: Abortions for everyone \o/!!!1


This is July 4th, so how about abortions for some, and miniature American flags for others?
 
2012-07-04 6:23:59 PM  
I NEVER THOUGHT LOSING WEIGHT WOULD BE SO EASY!!
I LOST 1 GeV IN ONE WEEK ON NEW HIGGS DIET!!

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SEND 10000$ TO MIRIAM ABACHA FOR THE SECRET
HOW TO GET GOD TO DECLARE YOU THIN!!
 
2012-07-04 6:26:32 PM  
God particle:
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God most closely resembling god particle:
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2012-07-04 6:28:22 PM  

gerbilpox: I NEVER THOUGHT LOSING WEIGHT WOULD BE SO EASY!!
I LOST 1 GeV IN ONE WEEK ON NEW HIGGS DIET!!

SEND 10000$ TO MIRIAM ABACHA FOR THE SECRET
HOW TO GET GOD TO DECLARE YOU THIN!!


Warning: This is a scam. They make it sound easy, but it takes a lot of energy, and you wind up having to work your mass off.
 
2012-07-04 6:30:23 PM  

MrKevvy: AdolfOliverPanties: I want to know where the word boson came from.

Named after Bose.


And here I thought it was named after the guy in charge of the anchors and ropes... Seemed appropriate.

/not really
 
2012-07-04 6:33:35 PM  

Anagrammer: elffster: Abortions for everyone \o/!!!1

This is July 4th, so how about abortions for some, and miniature American flags for others?


As long as I get milkshake....OKS!!!
 
2012-07-04 6:35:20 PM  

WhoGAS: So this means that ghosts are simply the active particles outside the three dominant ones becoming active. Absolutely nothing supernatural; just another state of "being". Who knows about consciousness with those things...

Cool.

/...


Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare that seeing is believing!
 
2012-07-04 6:42:41 PM  
I there supposed to be some sort of content in the big, empty white space on that page?

I hate flash so much. If you can't say it with text, GIFs, and JPGs, don't count on your message getting through.
 
2012-07-04 6:47:53 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.


Agreed. I know just enough to know this is huge, and like someone else pointed out, its importance is going to escape most people.
 
2012-07-04 6:52:51 PM  
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2012-07-04 7:08:15 PM  

Mr. Right: Being an olde phart, I remember (I was young) when the existence of quarks was confirmed. Even a few years later, in a physics course in college, the professor was still as excited as a little boy at Christmas when he talked about quarks. While this stuff is fascinating to a lot of people (myself included), this cartoon is about as much depth as we're going to understand. Nicely done.

As someone who reads nearly the complete works of Dr Seuss to his grandchildren, I'm wondering if this will turn into a "Horton Hears a Who" moment when we figure out that these subatomic particles are actually conglomerations of much smaller particles. Remember, it wasn't that long ago (relatively speaking) that atoms were theoretical.


It's turtles all the way down.

And I keep on reading "Higgs Boson" as "Higgs Bison." I just the like the idea that a cosmic bison is going around sprinkling everything with magic glitter and giving it mass. Like a bovinae fairy godmother.

/I'm sober
//no, really, I am.
 
2012-07-04 7:12:03 PM  
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I don't get it.
 
2012-07-04 7:14:20 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


you're welcome

boson
 
2012-07-04 7:15:50 PM  
I'm sure it's cool, I'm sure it's meaningful, but it's just jibberish to me at this point.
 
2012-07-04 7:16:23 PM  
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/YES!!!
 
2012-07-04 7:19:33 PM  
for me to understand this I need to understand quarks and the Standard Model first. Since I do not understand either I am not going to try and understand HB in it's entirety.
 
2012-07-04 7:21:25 PM  
someone care to explain this table to us with less mass ?

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2012-07-04 7:24:38 PM  
Ha!
 
2012-07-04 7:29:41 PM  

The Green Intern: I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?


Someone told you wrong, it's already well known that electromagnetism and the weak force are part of the same force at a different energy scale. And we're already building molecular scale transistors. FTL travel always occurs when you go over for a booty call and then it somehow gets cancelled or cockblocked. Verification of the Higgs mechanism won't necessarily lead to any further applied science any time soon, just like the knowledge of the existence of the neutron has little impact on our understanding of photosynthesis.
 
2012-07-04 7:29:43 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


It's taken from the name of an Indian physicist, a contemporary of Einstein's, name Bose. Really. Same as fermions are named for Fermi.
 
2012-07-04 7:30:42 PM  
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2012-07-04 7:40:07 PM  

vodka: FuturePastNow: I don't know why, but I can never get Vimeo videos embedded in other sites to play. I always have to go to the video's own page.

I have found it's usually because of AdBlock, Flashblock or some combination. On this particular page I don't even see there is a video at all in Firefox even with all scripts enabled. In Chrome I can see it but it won't play (have Flashblock and Adblock there too).


My Palm phone didn't even show anything missing either.
 
2012-07-04 7:41:14 PM  
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2012-07-04 7:42:43 PM  
OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."
 
2012-07-04 7:44:38 PM  

Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."


"Boss-on"?
 
2012-07-04 7:49:45 PM  

Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."


If you're unable to type "boson" into google, physics may be beyond your grasp anyways.

/it's named after a person, bose, who realized that the statistics of certain kinds of particles may be different at low or high energy scales...
 
2012-07-04 7:49:47 PM  

Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."


LOOK IT UP, YOU LAZY fark.
 
2012-07-04 7:52:40 PM  
What's the deal with airline food? Can it explain THAT?
 
2012-07-04 7:57:39 PM  

Mega Steve: What's the deal with airline food? Can it explain THAT?


it's made in a black box
 
2012-07-04 8:00:53 PM  
People should be afraid. They should be very afraid. I mean, seriously. The "god" in "god particle" is not the christian god. It is Shiva the Destroyer!
 
2012-07-04 8:02:58 PM  

proteus_b: Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."

If you're unable to type "boson" into google, physics may be beyond your grasp anyways.

/it's named after a person, bose, who realized that the statistics of certain kinds of particles may be different at low or high energy scales...


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2012-07-04 8:05:28 PM  
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2012-07-04 8:06:51 PM  
Mind is mass.

;)
 
2012-07-04 8:08:35 PM  
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2012-07-04 8:25:08 PM  
I guess I'll have to take it on faith that they found it.
 
2012-07-04 8:32:44 PM  
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2012-07-04 8:35:33 PM  
What's all this about a Higgins Boson?

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2012-07-04 8:37:01 PM  

gojirast: What's all this about a Higgins Boson?

[t0.gstatic.com image 259x194]


Hidggs was a great butler.

Hidggs rocked.

Heh.

;)

P.S. Happy Independence Day.
 
2012-07-04 8:41:31 PM  
Found me!
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2012-07-04 8:55:51 PM  
Particle physics isn't my field but Im very glad to see a scientific achievement being discussed and getting attention. Perhaps it will get more people thinking that more funding needs to go to the sciences specifically fundamental research and education.

Super cool.
I want to play at CERN.
 
2012-07-04 9:04:21 PM  

Damili: [i148.photobucket.com image 400x400]


Would Sherman really misspell "allowed"?
 
2012-07-04 9:05:30 PM  
Congratulations, physicists. Maybe you can finally have a fundamental theory for your field that is as well supported as the Theory of Evolution is for biology. >:D

/seriously, though, this is cool stuff and a great time for science. :)
 
2012-07-04 9:06:05 PM  
So to put a scientific question out there, now that they have the Higgs Boson, there is 13 particles right? And it seems that all the other particles interact in pairs.

So are scientists now waiting for another particle to pop out? I have not seen any talk about that, any ideas on this?
 
2012-07-04 9:06:22 PM  
That was easy. What would be impossible is me explaining to him what a vagina feels like.

/jocks rule!
 
2012-07-04 9:06:53 PM  
So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?
 
2012-07-04 9:10:02 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


"Bosom" was taken.
 
2012-07-04 9:10:21 PM  

Slives: So to put a scientific question out there, now that they have the Higgs Boson, there is 13 particles right? And it seems that all the other particles interact in pairs.

So are scientists now waiting for another particle to pop out? I have not seen any talk about that, any ideas on this?


Yes,

I call it the Mind particle, or M, and it is the largest particle yer every particle ever seen...

;)
 
2012-07-04 9:21:37 PM  
Al Qaieda destroy a sealed shrine in Mali that was not to be opened until the end of the World...

Simultaneously, scientists announce that they have discovered the fabled Higgs Boson particle...

Coincidence?

Tin foil hats on the right...
 
2012-07-04 9:30:32 PM  
Well, after watching the video I've learned that there is such a number called a bijilion, which means there's also a trijillion, quadjillion, etc.

Good to know.
 
2012-07-04 9:36:23 PM  

Unobtanium: So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?


I think it is the "Luminiferous Aether" those around the time of Newton spoke about.
 
2012-07-04 9:41:40 PM  

gwydion56: Damili: [i148.photobucket.com image 400x400]

Would Sherman really misspell "allowed"?


'Sherman'?
 
2012-07-04 9:43:41 PM  

Unobtanium: So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?


The sticky side of the Quantum duct tape I think.
 
2012-07-04 9:44:47 PM  

Unobtanium: So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?


So that makes the Higgs Boson...a midichlorian?
 
2012-07-04 9:45:04 PM  
Subtle mind wins.
 
2012-07-04 10:41:37 PM  
I was told there would be no mass
 
2012-07-04 10:45:26 PM  

JudgeMuttonChops: I was told there would be no mass


Everywhere, invisibly...

;)
 
2012-07-04 10:45:38 PM  

Bondith: I saw that when it was Boobiesed on the PhD site. The narrator has a future in teaching and/or science advocacy if that whole cutting-edge-research-at-prestigious-institutions thing doesn't work out for him.


He actually left the cutting-edge-research thing to draw comics (and give talks about grad school and comics) full time.
 
2012-07-04 10:46:27 PM  

gwydion56: Damili: [i148.photobucket.com image 400x400]

Would Sherman really misspell "allowed"?



No. And he wouldn't misspell his name as Sherman either.
 
2012-07-04 10:48:24 PM  

namatad: I would guess that they are running massive parallel SSDs and HDs these days. But still, the numbers are daunting.


The data is comes in too fast to store on disks. They stream it to data centers all over the world which pre-process it and then stick some of it on disks.
A few years ago they had 20 gigabit links to Japan just for this not to mention the faster links to Europe and the USA.
 
2012-07-04 11:11:22 PM  

Slives: So to put a scientific question out there, now that they have the Higgs Boson, there is 13 particles right? And it seems that all the other particles interact in pairs.

So are scientists now waiting for another particle to pop out? I have not seen any talk about that, any ideas on this?


I wish I could give you an easy or definitive answer. I can't. The dozen or so you're thinking of are, as I understand it, those critical to the Standard Model. But there are actually lots of them, depending on how you count them and other things, such as how likely they are believed to exist. Wikipedia has a fairly good page on this, but I'll warn you that it's not short or easy. It's actually pretty complicated, once you get into it.
 
2012-07-04 11:20:18 PM  
Zzzzzzzzzzz.....................
 
2012-07-04 11:38:47 PM  
1. Higgs boson "may" be reason for mass. (not proven yet)
2. LHC "may" have found Higgs boson. (not proven yet)
3. Finding it and proving both above, "may" help Standard Model (not proven yet)
4. Even if found & proved, everything is NOT answered yet, even using the updated Standard Model.


Amazing how that science and proof stuff works.

They still have to figure out tons of stuff.
Everytime, everybody says that everything has been found out...more is found out, including more holes...
Happens every decade.

hmm...how to get Gravity to connect with the other forces??
What is Dark Matter? What is Dark Energy? Where is it?
Why is the universe still expanding faster...even though we still keep finding more?
And...And...And...

/I get sick of assumptions and labels...very smart people can be unwise too.
 
2012-07-04 11:42:43 PM  
i liked the quarks animation. that's the chapter of "a brief history of time" where my simple brain could go no further.

/does anyone else think that stephen hawking reads like napolean dynomite?
 
2012-07-04 11:54:29 PM  

mekki: Mr. Right: Being an olde phart, I remember (I was young) when the existence of quarks was confirmed. Even a few years later, in a physics course in college, the professor was still as excited as a little boy at Christmas when he talked about quarks. While this stuff is fascinating to a lot of people (myself included), this cartoon is about as much depth as we're going to understand. Nicely done.

As someone who reads nearly the complete works of Dr Seuss to his grandchildren, I'm wondering if this will turn into a "Horton Hears a Who" moment when we figure out that these subatomic particles are actually conglomerations of much smaller particles. Remember, it wasn't that long ago (relatively speaking) that atoms were theoretical.

It's turtles all the way down.

And I keep on reading "Higgs Boson" as "Higgs Bison." I just the like the idea that a cosmic bison is going around sprinkling everything with magic glitter and giving it mass. Like a bovinae fairy godmother.

/I'm sober
//no, really, I am.


I'm not... so I would subscribe to your newsletter, but correction on one count though - it's the sea turtles, mate :)
 
2012-07-05 12:17:29 AM  
What if gravity were caused by something else. What if it were a side-effect of time dilation?

It's already known that time is slowed in the presence of mass. GPS satellites not only have to compensate for their high orbital velocity slowing their onboard clocks, but they also have to compensate for their distance away from the Earth's center of mass to allow the same clocks to run faster. Without these corrections we would not have differential GPS tithe accuracy we do.

So back to the alternate theory. What if gravity were an illusion of an attractive force when if fact it were caused by matter simply being attracted to slower time shells surrounding other mass, as if slower time offers mass itself a lower energy state? e.g. A mass decays at a baseline speed in interstellar space but when in the vicinity of another mass, let's say a sun, it's drawn toward its slower time shells so that its decay is slowed by them?

This works all the way down the the quantum level. Mass is conserved the slower time it can exist in and thus to conserve energy it falls into or seeks slower time -- we perceive that as "gravity".

/I haven't been high in 10 years, I swear
//picked up the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
 
2012-07-05 12:25:24 AM  

rogue49: 1. Higgs boson "may" be reason for mass. (not proven yet)
2. LHC "may" have found Higgs boson. (not proven yet)
3. Finding it and proving both above, "may" help Standard Model (not proven yet)
4. Even if found & proved, everything is NOT answered yet, even using the updated Standard Model.


Amazing how that science and proof stuff works.

They still have to figure out tons of stuff.
Everytime, everybody says that everything has been found out...more is found out, including more holes...
Happens every decade.

hmm...how to get Gravity to connect with the other forces??
What is Dark Matter? What is Dark Energy? Where is it?
Why is the universe still expanding faster...even though we still keep finding more?
And...And...And...

/I get sick of assumptions and labels...very smart people can be unwise too.


1)The Higgs IS the reason for mass for the SM to work.
2) LHC and Trev PROBABLY have found the higgs, they found a new particle in the expected size range.
3)Finding the Higgs is REQUIRED for the Standard Model, or particle physics needs a new explanation cause what they have is broke
4) A single answer leads to more questions, that's how science works.

I'm thinking you'e not familiar with science, which is fine, it's not for everyone. This will help us in finding out more.

The labels help us keep everything in perspective, you just have to get over it, go to a casino, that's all there is, nothing is 100%. If we did not work in error rates or p values there would be no predictive value, no better than religion or astrology or tea leaves or entrails.

You like the internet, cell phone, gps, car? all based on assumptions, get over it. Happens every decade.
 
2012-07-05 1:02:14 AM  
I've found that a recent Java update will block a lot of videos. Delete java and install an older version. The Java website has the one you should use if that's the problem.
 
2012-07-05 1:20:23 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Bondith: I saw that when it was Boobiesed on the PhD site. The narrator has a future in teaching and/or science advocacy if that whole cutting-edge-research-at-prestigious-institutions thing doesn't work out for him.

He actually left the cutting-edge-research thing to draw comics (and give talks about grad school and comics) full time.


No, not Jorge, the guy he was interviewing for that animation.

/pondering entering my thesis to see if Jorge will draw it.
 
2012-07-05 1:40:53 AM  
"you can't have negative mass" --. What - I beg to differ jerk.
I just, MADE THAT UP.
 
2012-07-05 3:45:50 AM  
OK, I get it now. Matter exists because of God using this particle to give stuff mass.

And I thought those science types were all heathens.

Video. tl;dw
 
2012-07-05 3:56:31 AM  

Tentacle: WhoGAS: So this means that ghosts are simply the active particles outside the three dominant ones becoming active. Absolutely nothing supernatural; just another state of "being". Who knows about consciousness with those things...

Cool.

/...

Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare that seeing is believing!


This is not happening...

/bleep.
 
2012-07-05 5:03:20 AM  

anfrind: proteus_b: Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."

If you're unable to type "boson" into google, physics may be beyond your grasp anyways.

/it's named after a person, bose, who realized that the statistics of certain kinds of particles may be different at low or high energy scales...

[cdn1.sbnation.com image 452x339]


Heh, thanks. Surprised I got so many bites.

/has a physics degree
 
2012-07-05 7:19:55 AM  

lohphat: Unobtanium: So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?

I think it is the "Luminiferous Aether" those around the time of Newton spoke about.


they really need to bring those terms back, they sound real cool.
 
2012-07-05 7:46:58 AM  
There is a substance which, according to current physics, constitutes 84% of the mass of the entire universe. "Dark Matter", invisible and unmeasurable, its existence inferred only by it's cumulative effect upon the universe's gravity.

And here we have the Higgs Boson, the particle which supposedly gives all matter its mass. This would easily make it the most plentiful sub-sub atomic particle in existence. Yet, we are having trouble finding any.

Coincidence?

Could they be one and the same?
 
2012-07-05 7:47:35 AM  
Oops.

Forgot the part about gravity being a function of mass.
 
2012-07-05 8:00:03 AM  

vachon: I've found that a recent Java update will block a lot of videos. Delete java and install an older version. The Java website has the one you should use if that's the problem.


That's terrible advice, considering that the latest Java update also blocks a new(ish) vulnerability that is being actively exploited to shove malware onto computers.

You should have stopped at "delete Java" because this video requires Flash, and unless you really need it, Java is just an accident waiting to happen for most people.
 
2012-07-05 8:40:50 AM  
If the we ( America ) had not cancelled the Super Collider back in the early 90's, would we have found this Higgs Boson sooner?
 
2012-07-05 9:43:54 AM  
NAME already has blueprints for the first HIGGS BOMB.

From the energy of 125GeV, NAME predicts the HIGGS BOMB will be 1000 times more powerful than todays thermonuclear devices, that is 57,000 megatonnes.

NAME will stockpile these as a deterrent.
 
2012-07-05 10:21:09 AM  

j_hole1: rogue49: 1. Higgs boson "may" be reason for mass. (not proven yet)
2. LHC "may" have found Higgs boson. (not proven yet)
3. Finding it and proving both above, "may" help Standard Model (not proven yet)
4. Even if found & proved, everything is NOT answered yet, even using the updated Standard Model.


Amazing how that science and proof stuff works.

They still have to figure out tons of stuff.
Everytime, everybody says that everything has been found out...more is found out, including more holes...
Happens every decade.

hmm...how to get Gravity to connect with the other forces??
What is Dark Matter? What is Dark Energy? Where is it?
Why is the universe still expanding faster...even though we still keep finding more?
And...And...And...

/I get sick of assumptions and labels...very smart people can be unwise too.

1)The Higgs IS the reason for mass for the SM to work.
2) LHC and Trev PROBABLY have found the higgs, they found a new particle in the expected size range.
3)Finding the Higgs is REQUIRED for the Standard Model, or particle physics needs a new explanation cause what they have is broke
4) A single answer leads to more questions, that's how science works.

I'm thinking you'e not familiar with science, which is fine, it's not for everyone. This will help us in finding out more.

The labels help us keep everything in perspective, you just have to get over it, go to a casino, that's all there is, nothing is 100%. If we did not work in error rates or p values there would be no predictive value, no better than religion or astrology or tea leaves or entrails.

You like the internet, cell phone, gps, car? all based on assumptions, get over it. Happens every decade.


hmm...well considering I'm an expert in GR, QM and Dimensional Analysis...perhaps I do.
Background in Physics and Computers, speciallizing in Scientific Data Analysis.
And have my own work reviewed and moved forward on by several professional and professors.

I "may" know what I'm talking about.
Let's put it this way...I see and figure out what the others can't long-timers can't see.
 
2012-07-05 10:30:00 AM  
HIGGS BOMB technical info. Actual documents cannot be repoduced online due to ECHELON. Only a summary is given here.

Due to a loophole in the post-war treaty with GERMANY, they are not restricted from developing particle-level explosive devices. Much research has been carried out as black-experiments at CERN and in distributed computer modelling. As with earlier (ultimately unsuccessful) QUARK BOMB research, many of the theoretical problems have been solved UNKNOWINGLY by users of internet gaming sites, who were led to believe they were solving level puzzles in MMOs.

The initial trigger for the HIGGS BOMB is a kiloton-range Plutonium triggered fissile device, similar to the thermonuclear (or H-BOMB) device. This effectively replaces the large ring-accelarator needed at CERN etc. To convert the fissile device's gamma burst into the e+/e- particles required for the HIGGS REACTION, a resonant substrate of nano-structured Silicon is required.

This is time-consuming and expensive to produce, but experimentation has shown that the wafers from GB-range RAM DIMMs may be used if a 40% drop in device efficiency is acceptable (high-quality DIMMs are required: Apple-brand was tested among others). The silicon from 20,000 to 100,000 4GB DIMMs is sufficient for a 1000-megatonne device.

The emitted HIGGS BOSONS must be allowed to pass into a "tamper" made up of 25-50KG of Red Mercury to allow their energy to be released (before they decay into harmless fermions).

HIGGS BOMB resembles a large laptop on standard airport scanners, but can be reliably detected due to the weight in excess of 100Kg and the characteristic magnetic signature of the Red Mercury.
 
2012-07-05 10:38:29 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: .


On Ignore list just to improve the signal to nose ratio.
 
2012-07-05 10:41:42 AM  

lohphat: THE GREAT NAME: .

On Ignore list just to improve the signal to nose ratio.


People who have to comment that they are putting you on ignore are always lying. Also, it's against Fark posting guidelines.
 
2012-07-05 3:23:34 PM  

Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.



Most Americans...except you, right?
 
2012-07-05 5:43:42 PM  
I used to believe in God, but then I took a Higgs Boson to the knee...
 
2012-07-05 9:52:48 PM  

Dreamless: anfrind: proteus_b: Dreamless: OK, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's called a "boson."

If you're unable to type "boson" into google, physics may be beyond your grasp anyways.

/it's named after a person, bose, who realized that the statistics of certain kinds of particles may be different at low or high energy scales...

[cdn1.sbnation.com image 452x339]

Heh, thanks. Surprised I got so many bites.

/has a physics degree


Is this some kind of lame attempt to cover for being ignorant and lazy? Or are you openly admitting to trolling on Fark? In other words, are you a loser and a liar, or did you wilfully violate the TOS and then brag about it in an open forum?

Note that these are not mutually exclusive. You can admit to both.
 
2012-07-05 9:54:32 PM  

Zenith: lohphat: Unobtanium: So the Higgs Field is basically the Force? Or quantum duct tape?

I think it is the "Luminiferous Aether" those around the time of Newton spoke about.

they really need to bring those terms back, they sound real cool.


I'm pretty sure they haven't been taken as band names yet. Go for it. I'll totally go see Luminiferous Aether, for the name alone.
 
2012-07-05 9:59:34 PM  

ManRay: If the we ( America ) had not cancelled the Super Collider back in the early 90's, would we have found this Higgs Boson sooner?


There's no way to know that. All we can say is that we can't say we would not have: The SSC would have had three times the maximum power of the LHC. And it would have been online two decades ago.

But hey, we've got nice roads, so don't complain. We got what we were willing to pay for.
 
2012-07-05 10:15:35 PM  

rogue49: hmm...well considering I'm an expert in GR, QM and Dimensional Analysis...perhaps I do.
Background in Physics and Computers, speciallizing in Scientific Data Analysis.
And have my own work reviewed and moved forward on by several professional and professors.

I "may" know what I'm talking about.
Let's put it this way...I see and figure out what the others can't long-timers can't see.


Can you explain the mystery of why your website doesn't exist?
 
2012-07-05 10:17:22 PM  

lohphat: THE GREAT NAME: .

On Ignore list just to improve the signal to nose ratio.


It doesn't help as much as it should. There's an infinite supply of them. Useless idiots are the Zergs of Fark.
 
2012-07-05 10:28:06 PM  
Sylvia_Bandersnatch:2012-07-05 09:52:48 PM, 2012-07-05 09:54:32 PM, 2012-07-05 09:59:34 PM, 2012-07-05 10:15:35 PM, 2012-07-05 10:17:22 PM

You do know you can reply to multiple people in one post, right?
 
2012-07-06 10:44:10 AM  
mmmmmm....bossam

http://www.yelp.com/biz/kobawoo-house-los-angeles
 
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