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(Discover)   If you were thinking, "What's the deal with this Higgs Boson? And can somebody explain it to me in cartoon form?" well... you're welcome   (blogs.discovermagazine.com) divider line
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2012-07-04 2:09:37 PM  
It's a good introduction.
 
2012-07-04 2:49:02 PM  
Well, basically it's the most important cosmological question ever answered, but there is still more work to do.
 
2012-07-04 3:56:17 PM  
Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.
 
2012-07-04 4:34:15 PM  

And can somebody explain it to me in cartoon form?


Words are sufficient.
 
2012-07-04 4:38:31 PM  
This is amazing!
Exactly what we thought is correct and it shows, nay, demands we do more research and need moar money.
 
2012-07-04 4:39:25 PM  
Wasn't Boson Higgs Sme's brother?
 
2012-07-04 4:40:36 PM  
Hey, Tziva! This looks like a job for the OMGOMGOMG dinosaur.
 
2012-07-04 4:42:07 PM  
I don't know too much about modern physics, but the Higgs boson goes far in explaining mass and gravity and really backs up the Standard Model of cosmology.

I think this is a very cool discovery, but think it's unfortunate that the phrase "God particle" was coined a while back. Now every Cretinist and Flat-Earther on the planet is going to think that this discovery somehow backs up their crackpot theories...
 
2012-07-04 4:44:06 PM  
 
2012-07-04 4:44:06 PM  
7 minute video =/= cartoon.

tl;dw
 
2012-07-04 4:44:13 PM  
And speaking of parity, I hope my Higgs bosoms come in pairs...

(...and are heaving, of course...)
 
2012-07-04 4:46:29 PM  
I saw that when it was Boobiesed on the PhD site. The narrator has a future in teaching and/or science advocacy if that whole cutting-edge-research-at-prestigious-institutions thing doesn't work out for him.
 
2012-07-04 4:49:27 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


Satyendra Nath Bose.
 
2012-07-04 4:49:41 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I want to know where the word boson came from.


Named after Bose.
 
2012-07-04 4:50:42 PM  
Invoking tiny internet fist...
 
2012-07-04 4:53:42 PM  
I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.
 
2012-07-04 4:56:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


A guy named Bose. The same guy Bose-Einstein condensates are named after, in fact.

\And those condensates are made of bosons.
 
2012-07-04 4:56:25 PM  
So if there is a God particle does this mean that there is a god?
 
2012-07-04 4:58:20 PM  

Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.


david_gaithersburg: So if there is a God particle does this mean that there is a god?


Surprised it took this long.
 
2012-07-04 4:59:30 PM  
Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.
 
2012-07-04 5:00:20 PM  
Hey, on this site I got my first gold medal in DNT+!
farkers...
 
2012-07-04 5:01:45 PM  
If you were thinking "what's the difference between a animation and a cartoon and can someone explain it to me in words?", you may want to hold off on submitting for a while.
 
2012-07-04 5:04:24 PM  
I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt
 
2012-07-04 5:05:29 PM  

proteus_b: If you were thinking "what's the difference between a animation and a cartoon and can someone explain it to me in words?", you may want to hold off on submitting for a while.


Anime is not cartoons!!
 
2012-07-04 5:12:17 PM  
I don't know why, but I can never get Vimeo videos embedded in other sites to play. I always have to go to the video's own page.
 
2012-07-04 5:18:15 PM  

5 Cent Monkey: Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.


I thought that god was disproved the same way that santa and the easter bunny were disproved. They were all made up to control children and feeble minded people.
 
2012-07-04 5:18:26 PM  
40 billion collisions a second? 24x7x365?! Holy fark that's a lot of data!!!

I had no idea. That's pretty biatchin.
 
2012-07-04 5:26:13 PM  
 
2012-07-04 5:26:15 PM  

5 Cent Monkey: Wayne 985 - it's the opposite - I'm curious how this discovery disproves God.


Well, it certainly doesn't disprove Thor or Zeus either! Ha ha!
 
2012-07-04 5:27:12 PM  
Scientists really like it when you call the Higgs "The God Particle".
 
2012-07-04 5:28:11 PM  

The Green Intern: I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt


There's actually been several competing theories put forward, so we've not just confirmed a theory, we've probably eliminated some alternatives.

\No, I don't know what applications this might have, but then I've never really been a particle physics person. But very few of the really revolutionary experimental results of the last century had any immediately obvious applications.
 
2012-07-04 5:28:22 PM  

The Green Intern: I'm still lost, and I feel like an idiot for being lost.

I get that it's a major event. I understand that it's going to have profound effects on our understanding of just about everything related to the physical world. But what does it mean on an applied level? Does it give clues to FTL travel? Atomic-scale transistors? Macro-scale atoms? Someone told me that it proves the weak nuclear force and magnetism are the same thing on different scales. If that's the case, could we build atomic structures like lego bricks? Hold structures together with magnetic mortar?

I appreciate and applaud the fact that it was found and indicates the existence of the Higgs Field, but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".

/nttawwt


Eh I asked pretty much the same question in the other thread and the best answer was it might lead to some practical use eventually.

No jet packs or three boobed alien chicks though.

Not that it detracts from the importance of the discovery in theoretical physics circles, but for 99% of the world it won't really change anything.
 
2012-07-04 5:29:27 PM  
Better:

i.imgur.comView Full Size
 
2012-07-04 5:30:11 PM  

boozehat: 40 billion collisions a second? 24x7x365?! Holy fark that's a lot of data!!!

I had no idea. That's pretty biatchin.


HAHAHA
I got a tour of the data collection facilites at fermilabs - 20 years ago. They were running massive numbers of parallel exabyte tape drives to just COLLECT the data.

I would guess that they are running massive parallel SSDs and HDs these days. But still, the numbers are daunting.
 
2012-07-04 5:31:30 PM  

FuturePastNow: I don't know why, but I can never get Vimeo videos embedded in other sites to play. I always have to go to the video's own page.


I have found it's usually because of AdBlock, Flashblock or some combination. On this particular page I don't even see there is a video at all in Firefox even with all scripts enabled. In Chrome I can see it but it won't play (have Flashblock and Adblock there too).
 
2012-07-04 5:34:11 PM  
Link
~15 petabytes/year - only 15,000 TB/year .... 40 TB/day
Sounds like the average TFers porn collection.
 
2012-07-04 5:34:39 PM  
How long until Mass Effect drives?
 
2012-07-04 5:34:51 PM  
So this means that ghosts are simply the active particles outside the three dominant ones becoming active. Absolutely nothing supernatural; just another state of "being". Who knows about consciousness with those things...

Cool.

/...
 
2012-07-04 5:38:35 PM  

snocone: This is amazing!
Exactly what we thought is correct and it shows, nay, demands we do more research and need moar money.


Bingo; the grants must flow.......
 
2012-07-04 5:40:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Better:

[i.imgur.com image 320x480]


Trolololololol.
 
2012-07-04 5:41:06 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


They obey Bose statistics (named after a guy named Bose, as pointed out earlier), in which a bunch can occupy the same state at once in the same place. Contrast this with Fermions, which obey Fermi statistics (and the Pauli exclusion principle).
 
2012-07-04 5:41:15 PM  

Wayne 985: I still can't help but think that most Americans won't get this on any level. I can just imagine people reading a headline and assuming scientists discovered God or something.


Thus demonstrating someone else's intellectual superiority....why, that would be YOU, wouldn't it? You smart guy, you......
 
2012-07-04 5:48:04 PM  

The Green Intern: but there's been so much build-up over this thing and what seems to be little explanation of what it means beyond "validation of a theory".


It's the last piece. The Standard Model has worked pretty well over the years, but there was always this missing particle. Without it, the Standard Model was, well, the standard model - but we were not sure it was the standard model because it was (relatively) right or because we happened to have figured out some fundamental principles of the universe, but were glaringly wrong about others. The finding of the Higgs boson says that - for the level of accuracy we can account for with current information - the Standard Model is correct. It would be like if there was an airline crash, and you were looking for the bodies - but you had no idea of the numbers/names of the people on the plane, just the maximum possible seats. We've been staring at the one unaccounted for seat for awhile now, wondering if there is a missing body, or was the seat empty to begin with. We found the body, and can stop looking. it isn't going to likely do anything spectacularly different - it's existence has always been part of the Standard Model, so nothing "changed" today. The more likely game-changer will be when the LHC pops out something we don't expect
 
2012-07-04 5:51:12 PM  

Big Ramifications: [i49.tinypic.com image 416x300]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/history/ new sid_8513000/8513288.stm

~
This is the first Higgs Boson thread I've read, and wouldn't it be funny if ship's bosun jokes had been done to death and Farkers are starting to say I swear to God I'm going to track down and pistol whip the next guy who says ship's bosun.
 
2012-07-04 5:51:37 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Watched the cartoon. Well done. Still completely lost.

I want to know where the word boson came from.


It's a typo. The actual word is "bosom".
 
2012-07-04 5:58:12 PM  

phalamir: We found the body, and can stop looking. it isn't going to likely do anything spectacularly different - it's existence has always been part of the Standard Model, so nothing "changed" today. The more likely game-changer will be when the LHC pops out something we don't expect


Which also happened with this announcement- the decay into a pair of gamma photons happened with a frequency greater than predicted by the Standard Model. That could mean a number of things, including a pointer to a whole set of new particles not predicted by the Standard Model. Or it could just be experimental bias, or a bunch of other things. The important point is: things did change.
 
2012-07-04 5:58:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Better:

[i.imgur.com image 320x480]



Epic.
 
2012-07-04 6:01:10 PM  
You scientists can't fool me. The answer is God.
 
2012-07-04 6:04:40 PM  

namatad: Link
~15 petabytes/year - only 15,000 TB/year .... 40 TB/day
Sounds like the average TFers porn collection.


Mom always said I was above average.


/still wish she'd stop sending pictures
//and videos
///"Wait, that isn't Dad!"
 
2012-07-04 6:07:06 PM  
Hawking now owes Higgs $100 to pay off a bet.
 
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