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2001-11-15 01:03:07 PM  
hrmmm just long enough to rewrite em.
2001-11-15 01:07:28 PM  
ha! no shiat, who gives a fark about someone's Dead Sea Scrolls!??!

i got some Lake Michigan Alive Scrolls!
2001-11-15 01:09:05 PM  
Let me guess.. blah blah blah Jesus this, Jesus that, 40 days and nights.. blah blah blah , you're going to hell.. Jesus Jesus Jesus..
2001-11-15 01:11:14 PM  
Although I'm not religious, I was raised going to church 3 times a week, etc., and wonder if they will add these new stories to the bible. I really don't think it will happen,so probably only scholars will really know what they say, although it probably is something about a snake being a stick and the dunes parting while you covet your neighbor's wife.
2001-11-15 01:12:19 PM  
"Thou shalt not be a dumbass. Thank you."
2001-11-15 01:13:18 PM  
"One scroll contains a Hebrew song of thanksgiving and was being dedicated to New York City in honor of its steadfastness following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center."

I am sure it will be a chart topper
2001-11-15 01:13:35 PM  
no no Fb- you got it all wrong...
*guy researching them*-"hmm...lets put some stuff about
about jesus so people can believe
in a god that isnt there."

*other guy*- "good idea, dont forget about, if
you are evil and read fark you
are going to hell."
2001-11-15 01:13:49 PM  
I've read parts. They're kinda Gnostic. Interesting, but not earthshaking. More "Here's how to defeat evil and get into Heaven" and "God loves you, and you'll be redeemed if you live a good life"-type stuff.
2001-11-15 01:14:04 PM  
These have been embargoed for years so that the various scholars involved could reap maximum benefit. Several years ago a library in California published the microfiche version of them somehow. Made a big stink in the scholarly world.

I hear that most of the fragments that contain old testament stuff match pretty well with the manuscripts we have already. But there's lots of other stuff that is unique to this find. Gives some insights into the mindset of that community at that time.

Why are you reading this? It even bores me!
2001-11-15 01:14:36 PM  
It's about goddamn time.
2001-11-15 01:14:58 PM  
Sad, I never knew the sea was even sick.

Where do we send flowers?
2001-11-15 01:15:20 PM  
If we're doing shiznit like this, then the terrorists have already won.
2001-11-15 01:17:09 PM  
It is clear to me that the ONE TRUE religion will be revealed.

2001-11-15 01:18:09 PM  
Wasn't nge based on these scrolls? I love that show.
2001-11-15 01:22:05 PM  
I hear tell that parts of these actually debunk the myth of Jesus a tad. Anybody know anything about that. I'd ask my Dad, but I'd get a 45 minute lecture on it.
2001-11-15 01:23:20 PM  
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2001-11-15 01:29:58 PM  
Is that a scroll in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
2001-11-15 01:30:00 PM  
Tov and others associated with the project said that nothing in the scrolls is likely to shed a bad light on Judaism or early Christianity as once was thought possible

Yup, wouldn't want the truth about all the stuff we've been making up all these years to get out.
2001-11-15 01:34:24 PM  
Dogbone: There actually was a book published earlier this year to that effect. There's no dispute that a man named Jesus existed but this book argued that the stories attributed to him can be found in folklore before that.
I don't know if any of that was based on the dead sea scrolls or not.
2001-11-15 01:40:16 PM  

I heard a lot of the controversy was because of the discovery of the gospel of tomas(sp?) in the scrolls which was basically supposed to be a compilation of direct quotes from Jesus. The controversy stemmed from the fact that some of the quotes attributed to Jesus didn't exactly fit with some of the teachings the Catholic church had been promoting for quite some time. I don't think there is anything in there that denies the existance of jesus. Although there might be some stuff in there that denies he was the son of god. Although we already know that attitude existed at the time because I beleive he was crucified because he said he was the son of god and the people in power said no he is not.
2001-11-15 01:42:08 PM  
nice...glad to see more ancient manuscripts coming to light. I've read versions of the DSS that have already been printed (as well a the gnostic gospels & many other ancient texts).
this whole battle for the supreme religion is b.s.
almost all of the major stories of the old & new test. can be traced back to sumeria & beyond. not to mention the jesus "myth" (dying resurrecting,etc.)is COMPLETELY stolen from previous religions (a few god's with the same stories: Attis, Mithras, Horus, Krishna)SUN of God. it's all a pagan solar cult.
anyway, none of that really even matters...all that really matters is what each of us personally can get out of these writings from whatever source and how we can personally grow from them, ummmm.... or not. that's one for each of us to figure out for ourselves.
stop the priesthood!
2001-11-15 01:44:46 PM  
merchant_x thomas (the supposed bro of jesus) is derived from Tammuz of mesopotamian origin. he is also known in india. nearly all of the monotheistic religions (and also hinduism & brahmanism) can be traced back to mesopotamia
2001-11-15 01:45:06 PM  
Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: fark off! We're the People's Front of Judea
2001-11-15 01:45:45 PM  
Nico--: Indeed, Evangelion was based on an interpretation of what the Dead Sea Scrolls said. The writing you see in the opening credits of the show (in the last 6 seconds or so) show a primitive form of written Hebrew. This show is one of the best series EVER! Too bad we won't get to REALLY see what the real DSS say...
2001-11-15 01:46:08 PM  
FB your a farking idiot, you speak or comment with misguided passion, I think you need to get laid...
2001-11-15 01:47:07 PM  
What I get out of these writings:

Make sure I drink the blood of a virgin chicken after having sex with my sister or else i will go to hell for being disrepectful of God.
2001-11-15 01:53:25 PM  
I doubt they would have any mention of Jesus, as they pre-date the New Testament. Farkers.
2001-11-15 01:57:23 PM  
DSS written : 250BC - 70 AD
Jesus died : 30 AD

Now why would they not mention jesus? Farker.
2001-11-15 02:09:47 PM  
Gelos: There's been plenty of stuff challenging some of the stories about jesus for many years, the gospel of Thomas, which the intuitive cat mentions, was known in ancient times, and then lost until it was found again among the nag hammadi scrolls, a cache of scrolls found in egypt before the dead sea scrolls. (You have been able to buy translations of these for years now). Also in the nag hammadi collection is the gospel of mary, which is much more interesting in that it portrays Mary magdeline as a disciple, and in particular, the favorite disciple.
2001-11-15 02:12:19 PM  
That's great! More metaphors to be taken literally! I guess it took them that long to remove all the common sense that they may have contained.
2001-11-15 02:13:20 PM  
heh heh. i collect old religious books and manuscripts. i have a pretty sweet little collection going on... i would LOVE to get my hands on those scrolls.

oh, yeah - i reccommend reading VERY OLD religious texts. some of them are pretty entertaining. Buddhist, Taoist and Shinto stuff is groovy. old Catholic stuff is good for a scary laugh.

[image from too old to be available]

heh hehh hehehe
2001-11-15 02:21:20 PM  
Merchant_x: Of course a lot of it wouldn't fit in with Catholic teachings. What do you expect from a religion that professes to be Christian yet promotes worship of Mary and praying to saints, which the Bible warns against?

And Jesus was no myth. C'mon, you think those guys would have martyred themselves afterward if the whole thing was a big joke?

Flames will be ignored. *breaks out fire extinguisher*
2001-11-15 02:27:28 PM  
Hebrew song of thanksgiving (rough translation):

Lookin' at the devil, grinnin' at his gun
Fingers start shakin', I begin to run

Bullets start chasin', I begin to stop
We begin to wrestle I was on the top

Want to thank you falettinme be mice elf agin
I wanna thank you falettinme be mice elf agin

Dance to the music
All nite long
Everyday people
Sing a simple song
2001-11-15 02:27:30 PM  
The Romans kept excellent records about EVERYTHING. Jesus is part of that record. The Romans killed some jew named jesus cuz he was starting trouble. The rest is bullsh.t
2001-11-15 02:29:41 PM  
fb -

i truly hope at some point in the future you are exposed to some good people. it is clear by the tone of your posts that you are in dire need.

good luck sir.
2001-11-15 02:36:50 PM  
I don't think your God exists so I mock him. Sorry if you don't get it. Maybe you can beg Jebus for enlightenment.
2001-11-15 02:42:03 PM  
And on the 10th fortnight, Drew begot Fark,
And Fark begot Fb-,
and Fb- begot some funky ass disease,
and someone else begot a smoking midget on a plane.
and so is the word of god, homies.... word.
2001-11-15 02:45:38 PM  
They contain blueprints on the construction of a unisex bathhouse.
2001-11-15 02:50:10 PM  
Dead C Skrolls....sounds like a gangsta rappa i knew in Detroit
2001-11-15 02:58:28 PM  
FB I'm with you dude. Religious people are the stupidest. There is no God. To believe in one is moronic.

You'd have better luck finding a three legged ballerina than going to heaven or hell.
2001-11-15 03:18:42 PM  
for all you people who bothered to read the article. the dead see scrolls have to do with the OLD testement, jesus, if there is such a person, didn't come into the picture untill the new testiment, which, if i'm correct jewish people dont have. or something or the other...

so in closing, the DSS has nothing to do with jesus. period.
2001-11-15 03:28:21 PM  
I'm more worried about the quality of the pr0n channels on my cable descrambler than I am what jeebus thinks about me.
2001-11-15 03:30:20 PM  
But the Scrolls are not necessarily religious texts, per se. Alot of it is historical, and provides great insight into the times. As a matter of fact, they can be used to debunk alot of the unfounded spiritual claims of modern Jews and Christians. As Gelos suggested, even though it is likely that an historical Jesus existed, many of his supposed acts were chronicled much earlier than his birth. There are striking similarities between the accounts of Jesus, and accounts of what the ancient Hebrews called, "The Teacher of Righteousness".

The Scrolls are still of cultural and political significance. A museum that was annexed as a result of the 6 Days War contained scrolls that are still a point of contention in negotiating peace with the Palestinians.

Not everything that is related to religion is silly and moronic.
2001-11-15 03:32:20 PM  
The bible is a book of fairy tales. Maybe 2000 years from now everyone will await the return of The Cat in the Hat.
2001-11-15 03:36:35 PM  
En?gma You couldn't be more wrong. To begin with, the New and Old Testaments are not mutually distinct. And they are not necessarily meant to be interpreted as a strict chronology. The Dead Sea Scrolls did mention a person that can be correlated with Christ. He was an activist who emerged from the purist traditions of the Hewbrews that fled to live in the caves of Qumran. He emerged from the same society that wrote the scrolls to begin with.

And although many people would like to disagree, the New Testament's account of the "end-times" reads as if it were translated directly out the scrolls.

I bothered to read the article. But even better, I bothered to read some of the scrolls, too.
2001-11-15 03:39:34 PM  
ya know the funny thing is that atheists are just as shallow & reactionary as fundamentalists. you guys crack me up. as if it's this or that.
it's as simple as this. if you live with a contractive, reactionary mindset, your options are nothing but limited.if you live with an expanded and creative mindset, there are infinite possibilities.(although those possibilities can be limited by those with the contractive mindset wanting others to be limited just like them.)
if all of the rationalists/logical thinkers out there want to understand how all things are one, check out "sacred geometry" and the "flower of life".
2001-11-15 03:46:31 PM  
On a more on-topic note... the Dead Sea Scrolls are already published. I own a copy of the translation. So much for that, eh?
2001-11-15 04:04:49 PM  
Afree87 - is it a set of the complete scrolls? that's what they are saying here. previous vol. were not complete.
on a side note, i once read that the King James version of the bible has something like 3800 translation errors.
2001-11-15 04:14:58 PM  
Intuitive Cat: That all depends on what you consider to be the original. Since not all portions are from the same source or even the same time, it's impossible to calculate the number of errors. Are the Scrolls the source, the Pentatauch, the Vulgate, the Gospels? No one can say.

The thing to bear in mind is that translation (as anyone who has used a web-based translator will tell you) is not a mechanical process. Much of it is discretionary, and that is largely why the modern texts vary so much from their original component sources. For instance, I believe Greek has at least three words for love. The connotations of each of them are lost when we translate into a singular term. Also, the publication of Christian scripture was performed, by hand, by people who were under the instruction of the church. There is a great deal of interpolation to be found in translations from those periods.

The really interesting thing to me is that modern Hebrew scriptures actually do not deviate all that much from the original scrolls.
2001-11-15 04:34:43 PM  
i read parts of the gnostic gospels a few years ago. it was the story of jesus as a child, all the stuff that's missing from the bible. well, it's obvious why they left it out. it makes young jesus look like damien from "the omen" movies. in one story he points at one of his playmates and says "live no more" and the kid dies on the spot. scary.
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