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2012-06-28 11:37:31 AM  

PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate". Also, this is the end of the country.

Your lack of spelling skills is great.
2012-06-28 11:37:54 AM  
SCOTUS told us that POTUS can kick us in the SCROTUS
2012-06-28 11:37:57 AM  

hubiestubert: So with the Court making its decision, then the debate is over, right? Process served, and now we can get back to issues that are important?

They should get back to impeaching the President over F&F. Because that dog really will hunt. Ineffective gun control can cause murder.
2012-06-28 11:38:02 AM  
Free Republic has a headline the SCOTUS just woke a "sleeping giant". Conservatives seem to sleep a lot. Maybe they should see their doctor.
2012-06-28 11:38:03 AM  

CavalierEternal: Not sure if anyone's posted it yet, but Boehner is about to go live.

Ha, I got an Obama ad on FoxNews while clicking to watch Boehner speak, that was a lol.
2012-06-28 11:38:05 AM  

St_Francis_P: Jjaro: Mentat: Jjaro: Kennedy went right and Roberts went left? That's surprising.

And are the liberals on Fark and the op-eds around America going to stop complaining about how biased and partisan the Supreme Court is now?

No, because this is still the same SCOTUS that thinks money = speech.

Well, it is. Just ask all the people on my Facebook feed who posted things like "This ruling just led me to donate $100 to Romney." They are speaking with their wallet.

I'm sure they were all going to vote for Obama before this.

Obviously not. But they weren't going to donate to Romney financially either.
2012-06-28 11:38:06 AM  

BlueJay206: This is bad news...for Obama.

He has just been declared a liar to the American people, in that the mandate "wasn't a tax", and that he "wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class".
Well folks, the middle class just got the largest "tax" increase in history, and Obama should earn PolitiFacts PANTS ON FIRE rating.

Either way this was going to get ruled, it was going to galvanize the ruling's opposition. The SCOTUS may very well have just handed Romney a victory in November.

Are you engaged in some sort of Transcendental Meditation?
2012-06-28 11:38:11 AM  
Lot of trolling I see...
2012-06-28 11:38:19 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."

Interesting fact: the disputed portion was first proposed by Republicans, particularly Newt Gingrich.
2012-06-28 11:38:19 AM  

kasmel: Thunderpipes: Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes.

Look up gas taxes and why States have the same drinking age and mostly the same freeway speeds. This is nothing new.

Yes, it is. Driving, drinking, they are all voluntary. You can choose to not do it. Can't choose not to exist. Plenty of crunchies only ride bikes and get away with not contributing to the state transportation funds or the federal gasoline tax.

Now, if you start charging non-car owners a tax, bike riders a tax, etc, think that would fly?
2012-06-28 11:38:27 AM  
Will this lead to clinics to open in places like Walmart so people can come in and ask about a rash or something? At least they know they will get paid now.
I like the reform but have doubts about the amount of fraud that will will happen.

First things first I guess.
2012-06-28 11:38:47 AM  

Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

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/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.

Right, except for the part where a majority of the highest court in the land - specifically charged with interpreting the law and the Constitution - disagrees with you.
2012-06-28 11:38:52 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

We survived Bush. You will survive Obama.

I was kind of hoping you would survive Obama, too. I'll miss you, PC LOAD LETTER.
2012-06-28 11:39:00 AM  

Weaver95: well...since i'm not a tax dodging cheat...no. can't say i'm familiar with what happens if/when you lie to the IRS

You become Secretary of the Treasury!
2012-06-28 11:39:02 AM  
Andromeda: I'm amazed it was Roberts. That's just something I was not expecting.

So goddamn it I guess we now have to care about our fellow man like Jesus said?!

I had a feeling it be 6-3 with Roberts writing the brief. Was surprised Kennedy voted against it, to tell you the truth.

The constitutionality was really never in question, the question always was how far would the "conservative" bench radically bend their arguments to why it was not constitutional. Roberts looked at 250 years of precedent and told the base to go pound sand, that he wouldn't go down as the asshat that put politics above integrity.

I can respect that, just as I can respect conservative consistency. Assholes like Scalia need to be throw out, as they're radical and dangerous and not afraid to vote on the winds to reach and ends of whatever idiot sent them a newsletter that day.
2012-06-28 11:39:04 AM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Hehe I like this one. Stealth Marxist.

Why is it that people who get mad about things on the internet know pretty much nothing about history and like basic theories of government?

Because of the last 30/40 years propagating anti-intellectualism. Asimov summed it up quite well:

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
2012-06-28 11:39:06 AM  

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: Weaver95: gaith

I see that you are not familiar with the consequences of not having enough cash to pay the IRS.

well...since i'm not a tax dodging cheat...no. can't say i'm familiar with what happens if/when you lie to the IRS.

That wasnt his argument at all. What if a poor person actually owes money April 15th? That petty $95 you said is painlessly pulled out of his refund becomes back taxes owed. With penalties and interest. No one said anything about cheating on taxes.
2012-06-28 11:39:11 AM  

Get your popcorn here!

2012-06-28 11:39:15 AM  

mrshowrules: There are tens of millions of Americans pretending to be Conservatives. I think the movement is called the Tea Party. GOP

2012-06-28 11:39:17 AM  
Ginsburg, writing separately for the four liberals, said they would have upheld the mandate under the commerce clause too. "Unlike the market for almost any other product or service, the market for medical care is one in which all individuals inevitably participate," she wrote. "Virtually every person residing in the United States, sooner or later, will visit a doctor or other health care professional."

This is why some of these Justices need to be dismissed from the bench. Your logic is false, woman. You admit it in the second statement when you use the word "virtually". Not every individual is an actor in the medical care market because: I can go to another country and get health care; I can render my own health care; I can never use health care. And before you invoke Wickard v Filburn and argue all three of those options "affect" the medical care market, we both Wickard was the wrong decision. Robert's opinion is correct, in that it is not valid under the Commerce clause.
2012-06-28 11:39:18 AM  
I'm not sure I see the principle behind the nixing of the Medicaid expansion.

The Federal government has to offer the existing program, without changes, in perpetuity? Because states' rights? Congress doesn't have the right to change Federal programs? Will have to read the decision.
2012-06-28 11:39:19 AM  

RminusQ: Not gonna lie, I did a decently loud "WOOHOO!" and a quick fist-pumping lap around the room when I saw SCOTUSBlog say that long story short, "the entirety of the bill is upheld"

I won't lie. I rubbed one out.
2012-06-28 11:39:25 AM  
more Fun Freeper Facts from FreeRepublic:

US Economy, RIP, 1776-2012

Get out of the market before November. Should BO win, the computers at the stock exchanges will burst into flames with investors trying to sell.

I can't stay in business with this ruling.
I have to close.
Will sell off client list with consistent repeat business. Nice return on investment.

I love the last one: the guy can't stay in business but will sell it to you and you will get a "nice return on investment". WTF? He just said he can't stay in business with this ruling!
2012-06-28 11:39:34 AM  

soporific: So yes, it's a tax

The government can't mandate that! When you turn 65 you are enrolled in Medicare. Social Security, selective service, etc. all under penalty of imprisonment or fine for failure to comply. All that shiat is hunky-dory. But making people buy insurance, that's just unchristian!
2012-06-28 11:39:50 AM  
i love how weak the "it's a tax! obama said no taxes!" talking point is. obama can still say that he disagrees with the wording of the decision - that, like four of the justices, he believes that the mandate is constitutional under the commerce clause. but it's all moot. obamacare stands. this is a HUGE victory for the president.
2012-06-28 11:39:56 AM  

Daveism: sideways with a screwdriver.

Sponsored sideways with a screwdriver.
2012-06-28 11:39:58 AM  

cousndick: Lot of trolling I see...

And a whole lot of:
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2012-06-28 11:40:03 AM  

NateGrey: Whar Obama Whar??

Spike the football.

We can fix Americas energy problems if we can harness Conservative Butthurt!!!11

Would love to see him walk up to the podium with a football and...

...just hand it off to Carney.

2012-06-28 11:40:23 AM  

Thunderpipes: PunGent: vernonFL: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?

That is the whole issue. Say you're 25 and you say, "I'm young and healthy, I don't need insurance." So you don't buy any. Then, you get cancer and you try to get insurance, nobody will insure you because you have cancer.

One of my problems with Romneycare is that the young healthy 25 year olds can't just buy a bare-bones catastrophic coverage plan with a high deductible, which WOULD cover them for the long-shot cancer/car crash scenarios...they have to get comprehensive coverage. I guess the idea is to make the pool of insureds big enough.

Not sure if those type of policies would "count" under Obamacare.

They do not. High deductible plans like that are illegal under the ACA. They will need to be replaced. This will further burden companies that employ kids fresh out of college and the kids themselves. Sure, they can stay on their parent's plan till 26 (and then parents pay more) but then they are screwed. They need a very high cost, low deductible plan or they get taxed.

You should read Section 1301(g) of the bill before you talk about this stuff buddy. You can still get a plan with a $6,000 deductible.
2012-06-28 11:40:34 AM  

pudding7: Wow. Did not see nazi that coming.


You know who else forced unwanted medical care on people?
2012-06-28 11:40:35 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Dimensio: Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.

If you do not buy insurance you will be taxed.

I already have health insurance.

Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.
2012-06-28 11:40:38 AM  

PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate". Also, this is the end of the country.

Did he say "testimate"?

That's rather ballsy.
2012-06-28 11:40:44 AM  
Bachmann has already declared that America as we know it has been destroyed. Jobs will be lost. People will cancel their health care plans. Cats and dogs living together.
2012-06-28 11:40:52 AM  

InmanRoshi: And as a mortal human being you are eventually going to get sick and die, and if you were uninsured those costs would have been covered by the insured.

You were simply gambling (with other people's money) that was going to happen later rather than sooner. I shed no tears for you, and you get no sympathy from me.

Yes, because no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I forget, this is America.

/I'm a healthy male in my 20s and get routine checkups, there is no reason for me to spend the outrageous amounts on health care that this law requires. Bye bye no coverage option, bye bye high deductible HSA.
2012-06-28 11:41:01 AM  
Thunderpipes: FK all these people.

They will absolutely burn in hell.

The government can now insert itself into each our lives for any and all things.

I know how you feel, bro. I hate those rape wands, too.
2012-06-28 11:41:03 AM  

Johnson: I love the last one: the guy can't stay in business but will sell it to you and you will get a "nice return on investment". WTF? He just said he can't stay in business with this ruling!

pssst. rank and file "conservatives" are not very bright.
2012-06-28 11:41:13 AM  
I really wish I had time to create the Hitler "Downfall" reaction to this. Someone will do it, though, and if it's done well it will be epic.
2012-06-28 11:41:15 AM  

MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.

No, not he did not. Not one person has been affected by this, and won't be for some time.
2012-06-28 11:41:18 AM  

Brother_Mouzone: Jensaarai: Well, there ya go. We now have Democrats firmly cheering for a Republican healthcare bill, and Republicans can continue feeling persecuted.

you know I dont think 99% of the people understand that. The republicans came up with the mandate about 3 or 4 years ago and now they are against it. idiots.

How many of the State Courts that initially found the mandate unconstitutional were States originally wanting to protect the right to own slaves?
2012-06-28 11:41:18 AM  

The_Sponge: optimistic_cynic: The_Sponge: Remember when Obama promised that he wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250K per year?

If you have health insurance they won't be raised.

Newsflash: There are people who make under $250K per year who don't have health insurance.

That's a matter of personal responsibility. They should have grabbed them some bootstraps and taken the responsibility for themselves. What, do they expect the government to do everything for them?
2012-06-28 11:41:28 AM  
Taxes, hunh. Republicans never raise taxes.

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2012-06-28 11:41:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: People who don't have a job are trying to get free money when they need to pay their bills at the expense of the rest of us. Same thing, Captain Silly.

Banks didn't have that problem, why should you? Oh wait, it's because of the poor and poor shouldn't get jack and shiat and therefore should be left to rot.

2012-06-28 11:41:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: Yes, it is. Driving, drinking, they are all voluntary. You can choose to not do it. Can't choose not to exist.

Sure you can. You can give yourself a retroactive abortion anytime you like.
2012-06-28 11:41:45 AM  

MythDragon: pudding7: Wow. Did not see nazi that coming.


You know who else forced unwanted medical care on people?

Mitt Romney?
2012-06-28 11:41:46 AM  

Thunderpipes: Yes, it is. Driving, drinking, they are all voluntary. Owning a house, having children, they are all voluntary. You can choose to not do it. Can't choose not to exist.

Now, if you start charging non-carrenters owners a tax, bike riderschildless people a tax, etc, think that would fly?

Yes, it would fly, and does.
2012-06-28 11:41:51 AM  

Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.

But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?

Actually it's a start because it would mean some Repubs had enough backbone to tell Grover Norquist to take his pledge and go fark himself.
2012-06-28 11:41:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.

Maybe Republicans ought to have considered that prior to deciding to call every fee, levy, or removal of subsidy a tax.
2012-06-28 11:42:11 AM  

Blues_X: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

Obama killed my father, shot ATE my dog, and stole my bible, etc.

2012-06-28 11:42:16 AM  
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2012-06-28 11:42:18 AM  
From over in Freeper land:

Stocks, Gold, Oil - All Crashing in wake of Obamacare Decision (US Economy, RIP)

Gold going down? Doesn't that mean that the U. S. dollar is stronger?

Oil going down? Isn't this a good thing?

Stocks... meh.
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