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(Some Guy)   The second 40 worst Rob Liefeld drawings have been compiled, and you'll see plenty of pouches, manboobs, and women with horribly deformed spines and head-sized breasts. But don't expect to see any feet   ( progressiveboink.com) divider line
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2012-06-16 09:33:17 AM  
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Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
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Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?
2012-06-16 08:03:02 AM  
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You say "head-sized breasts" like there's something wrong with that.
2012-06-16 11:41:18 PM  
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Back when I used to have time to draw I drew things like this and this and knew that my weaknesses would make drawing comics a long shot... little did I know that Liefeld was blazing a trail for critically limited artists like me.
2012-06-16 10:16:36 PM  
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Bill Frist: thunderbird8804: Alex Ross, who I'm pretty sure is an avatar of an art god.

I think Alex Ross more or less sucks. His shiat is totally soulless. Yes, he can paint realistically (he uses models so is truly drawing from life) but so what? The great artists have STYLE. We don't remember Magritte or Dali or Picasso or Van Gogh because their stuff looked completely naturalistic. We remember them because they had original styles and visions.

Alex Ross is one of those technically great illustrators who is a boring artist. His work is like watching some guitar virtuoso do a bunch of technically hard solos, but who is unable to write a memorable song.

Bill Frist: Like google Alex Ross and comics and ignore the technical aspect of the realism, and look at what's being drawn. Mostly a bunch of cheesy poses. (no wonder he is most famous for his covers, which can just be superheros in corny poses without worrying about any flow between panels). Everything is stiff and wooden, no real personality and no flow when he does do panels.

...you're kidding, right? If this isn't a spinoff of BigLuca's posts then you have got to be the stupidest motherfarker on the earth. You know what, here's a demonstration of just how stupid you are, using a GIS for Alex Ross.

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Style: Most of his work presents a highly idealized (not naturalistic), photo-realistic throwback to the silver age
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Expressive and dynamic composition: Most of the characters are practically moving on the page, and every single one of them exudes the personality of their character

And those are all one shot images, that's not even getting into his actual comics work. Yeah, that's right, despite his work being super laborious and time consuming he's managed to do full limited run comics featuring his painted work (he probably used his godly miracle powers to do this). Such works as Marvels, Secret Origins, War on Crime, Justice, and on it goes....oh, and i almost forgot, motherfarking
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/And his "cheesy poses" stuff are all either promotional material, covers, or posters, and as far as that kind of material goes, Ross's work is still the pinnacle of craftsmanship
2012-06-16 08:25:06 PM  
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t3knomanser: Bill Frist: That's his style.

It's certainly identified with him, but I'm not sure it's truly a stylistic choice other than the fact that he refuses to change or learn or grow as an artist. It's his style because he keeps doing it, no matter how wrong and terrible it is.

Because, here's the thing: your art does not need to be an anatomy drawing. I mentioned books like "Orc Stain" and "Chew" because they both have highly stylized anatomy. Same thing for "Invincible", although I don't think it's nearly as strong as the other two books.

It's not just that Liefeld's anatomy is bad, it's not just that every woman is a centaur-spined snake-beast with bewbs. It's that every character design he ever works with, whether his original design or not, ends up looking exactly the same. They all use the same facial expressions. They all use the same poses. They all are bristling with weapons (sword in each hand, two swords strapped to the back, in case the first two break).

It's obvious that he doesn't plan his drawings- you can see a bunch of different vanishing points in every panel because all he really did was draw a bunch of stuff without worrying too much about how it actually ties together in a scene.

There's also the fact that "THAT'S JUST MY STYLE" doesn't shield you from the criticism of "YOUR STYLE IS BAD."

Take this, for example:

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This was the worst offender of the new batch for me. What the fark is happening here? Is Captain America going for a midnight power-walk in the rain before glancing sidelong at a giant sex offender he just noticed standing off to his left, looming sex-offensively over drenched practitioners of calisthenics?

What in the hell is even happening here:

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Where in the fark is Cap's neck coming from? I can see where his spine is. I can see the little crease that runs down his back that indicates his spine, where his shoulder muscles connect.

For some reason, the bilaterally symmetrical star emblem on his back is off-center from this, slightly to the right. But ok, it's clothes, maybe it bunches up, right?

But then why is the middle of his neck even farther to the right of his body than that? What in the high holy fark happened to poor Captain America here? Is this a Bane-breaking-Batman's-back type of story line here, where Cap'n Merka gets his neck violently snapped? If so, why is he power walking? He really should have that set properly before attempting physio and rehab.


If that's just Liefeld's "style", then his style sucks, period. But it's not. It's not Liefeld's style at all. It's just that Liefeld himself sucks. We know this. We can test this.

1. Where people deliberately subvert art's traditional expectations of anatomy and perspective, there's a clear indication that this is so. Picasso's Guernica is not a study in Pre-Raphaelite classical pose composition where out of nowhere the bull's head is growing out of its leg and it's wearing spandex with a visibly uncircumcised dickhole pressing through. No, even when an artist chooses to deliberately subvert the rules, that subversion follows its own consistent, internal rules.

2. Where people deliberately stylize anatomy, they still do according to consistent rules. Maybe their characters are composed of angles without curves and elongated to exaggerate the ideal triangle and hourglass of the male and female form, respectively, but again, they're consistent about it. It follows rules, and in this case the rules make sense. Angular though the characters may be, tapering to a fine waist from exaggerated shoulders, their necks still connect to their spine.

My God, Rob Liefeld is horrible.
2012-06-16 04:55:33 PM  
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KiplingKat872: I can see where his compositions may have influenced by Adams, but calling his work a "slavish" imitation is patently rediculous.

STARTED. Try Moon Knight and earlier.

O.k. I guess I was reading your posts as more negative of Sienkiewcz work on the New Mutants than you intended. It seemed like you were coming at me over it.
2012-06-16 11:52:47 AM  
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Shiatty as RL is, I couldn't "hear" the article over the sound of the author furiously grudge fapping.
2012-06-16 11:51:29 AM  
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2012-06-16 11:37:15 AM  
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BigLuca that might be the best troll I've ever seen
2012-06-16 11:12:32 AM  
1 vote:
I'm trying my best not to just pull an Ogre here considering I have stacks of old comics around there somewhere. Can somebody point me in the direction of some good comic art examples?

All I know is this guy draws better than I do, therefore, it's "good". Ridiculous and stylized, but still better than whatever I can draw.
2012-06-16 09:39:41 AM  
1 vote:

BigLuca: Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Do you know who else was criticized for his unconventional use of perspective, exaggerated or simplified features and hatred of feet?

Now this is a troll for the ages.
2012-06-16 08:27:48 AM  
1 vote:
You know as much as this guy sucks, he has drew for some of the biggest titles in the 90's. Guy probably made a lot of money. I can't draw, but if someone paid me to draw Captain America, I'd probably farking give it a go. And being made fun of on the internet afterward would not bother me in the least. (sorry "pencil" not draw, it's better than being a tracer. JK tried inking once. It's more difficult than it looks).
2012-06-16 08:05:13 AM  
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St_Francis_P: You say "head-sized breasts" like there's something wrong with that.

When Liefeld is drawing them, there is.
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