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(Fox News)   While the Chinese are fiddling with an outdated Russian aircraft carrier, the U.S. has something else in mind: A stealthy warship able to sneak up on coastlines virtually undetected and pound targets with electromagnetic "railguns"   ( divider line
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15636 clicks; posted to Main » on 04 Jun 2012 at 8:35 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-06-04 09:01:56 AM  
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Animatronik: So let me get this straight: we retired all of battleships because cannon are antiquated in the era of guided munitions, but now we want to build ships with electric cannon because theyre cool??

This doesnt sound too smart.

No, the battleships were retired because the expertise to operate them does not exist anymore. Very few ships in this day and age use that type of oil fired propulsion system, and there aren't any factories that produce the ammunition for rifles of that caliber. (Up until they retired the ships, they were working off of a supply of shells produced during WWII.)

Battleships were a tremendous asset in Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War not as capital ships, but as shore bombardment platforms. 80% of the territory in the world worth fighting over is within 30 miles of a coastline. A $1000 shell is a lot cheaper than a $1,000,000 cruise missile when trying to hold back an invasion or soften a dug in enemy.
2012-06-04 08:44:55 AM  
3 votes:
I like being protected by our Navy but it should be noted that our aircraft carriers are far more often used for humanitarian purposes than for war.

By the way ...

For all the warships in the US Navy, only two currently active in today's fleet have sunk enemy vessels.

TWO. Out of 430.

And, one of the two is the USS Constitution.

/ yes, THAT USS Constitution
2012-06-04 09:46:05 AM  
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Say, why don't we let Taiwan worry about the defense of Taiwan, and save a few hundred billion?

As much as I'd like to see the savings associated with that, it won't happen.

Taiwan is a check on China's power (Think of how Cuba was a check on Spain's power before the Spanish-American war). If they ever chose to mess with them in any way, they know the US will respond in kind. And since its in island, the Chinese Navy will have to be able to beat the US Navy, which it can't now.

This is all Cold War 2 chest thumping except China doesn't have the know-how or the money* to play the Soviet part. This won't end anytime soon though, China wants to be seen as a big world player, but they're small and have a chip on their shoulder about it. The US thinks and acts like they're the very best and an upstart annoyance like China will only encourge more military dick-waving.

I just hope the animosity/fear dies down. Chinese people are nice and good people (mostly) and there shouldn't be a feeling of impending CHINA IS GOING TO INVADE AND MAKE US ALL SPEAK CHINESE or CHINA OWNS ALL OF OUR DEBT AND OWNS US (which is false as China only owns 8% of US Debt). This goes for both sides of the Pacific.

CSB: Before I left for China I was wearing a camo military-looking shirt and at my local meat market (Small town Southern GA). When I told the lady behind the counter I was about to depart for China she quietly asked me if I was a "spook" or if I was "Setting the groundwork for the invasion." I smiled, said "Its classified" and left. She looked like she was going to make a b line for her bunker.

*- Yes I realize that China has a MASSIVE budget surplus. Add up how far behind they are on research + materials + battlefield knowledge and put a dollar amount to that, they can't compete.
2012-06-04 08:44:33 AM  
2 votes:
So let me get this straight: we retired all of battleships because cannon are antiquated in the era of guided munitions, but now we want to build ships with electric cannon because theyre cool??

This doesnt sound too smart.
2012-06-04 12:39:18 PM  
1 vote:
Ah, yes. DDG-1000. Yet another "good concept, lousy execution" Charlie-Foxtrot.

I first read about the Zumwalt class during the design stage long ago, and the design parameters were pretty neat. It was supposed to be multi-role, radar-minimized warship which could work fleet defense or shore bombardment with equal ease.

That's not what we ended up with. The Zumwalts have little to no ASW capability, and their anti-air capability (originally supposed to be Tactical High-Energy Lasers) is nothing new at the moment (CIWS and RAM). The railguns haven't been field tested yet, so they're not even going to be installed on the three (3) ships which have been funded. They'll be using the same deck guns currently installed on the Arleigh Burke class DDGs. If they do get railguns, the already problematic "stealth" becomes even more doubtful. The EMP from firing the railguns shows up just fine on radar.

Note also that they have yet to put one of these hulls in any actual water. They built a 1/4 scale model and put that in the water for a bunch of publicity shots, but the water in question was a protected harbor. There's no evidence that the Zumwalt can handle heavy weather in an actual ocean.

Anyone remember the "Littoral Comabt Ships (LCS)"? They built two (2), and one of those sorta split almost in half during sea trials once they put it in a real-world heavy weather situation.

Start holding the builder accountable for not meeting contract specs, and perhaps we'd have fewer of these boondoggles.
2012-06-04 09:46:56 AM  
1 vote:
/NorthrupGrumman designs a stealth ship that can escape with all the money. Three billion? Sweet lord.
2012-06-04 09:33:48 AM  
1 vote:

Smoking GNU: nd the projectiles travel at something like 0.25 light speed

Yikes! Better tell them to slow it down. At 0.25c, the projectile interacting with the air at that speed would near instantaneously turn into a huge ball of radioactive plasma before leaving the gun barrel, vaporizing entire destroyer with it. And if the resulting atmospheric shock wave doesn't completely sterilize a 50 mile radius around the former ship, and hard radiation would.
2012-06-04 09:24:36 AM  
1 vote:

BigBooper: If we want to maintain superiority in anything, it should be space based weapons. The ability to rain death from space on our enemies with no defense and no warning would be a fantastic deterrent to any country that might fark with us. We wouldn't need a large standing army, we wouldn't need a large navy or air force. Just enough orbiting weapons platforms to destroy any country on the planet in an instant.

We would rule this planet like GODS!

Like a harsh mistress.
2012-06-04 09:00:02 AM  
1 vote:
All "stealth" will do is make the armor both more expensive and less effective.

Mass quantities of easily replaced drone ships slaved to a carrier group. Nothing but armor, electronics, and missiles. That's what we should do.
2012-06-04 08:54:46 AM  
1 vote:
Waste of money. This is what we have subs for.
2012-06-04 07:43:01 AM  
1 vote:
Those will come in handy when we attack Alqaedastan.
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