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2012-05-03 07:36:26 PM  
2 votes:
Debates like this are why when I DM, I throw away alignment, at least for player characters. Alignment is a somewhat useful guideline for NPCs, but heroes have the capacity for agency in the future of the world. Good and evil for them are the result of actions, not fixed personality traits.
2012-05-03 02:46:07 PM  
2 votes:
There are a lot of lists like this. What boxer would they be, what presidential candidate would the be, etc. I haven't seen one suggesting what Halloween Costume a character would probably wear.

Now obviously Ned Stark would go as the Headless Horseman because of his love of horse riding. Tyrion could go as a secret service agent and spend all night asking where whores go. Cersei could go as Sinead O'Conner. Jamie could be the killer from The Fugitive movie. Jon Snow could go as Hamlet. Catelyn Stark could be something boring, like a zombie.

What other lists could we make up?
2012-05-03 09:12:54 PM  
1 vote:
The dnd alignment system is horrible, and all who like it are horrible.

/agot in dnd? How many 5' steps to kings landing? Forsooth! 'zounds, even!
2012-05-03 08:22:05 PM  
1 vote:

dragonchild: The reason why I use alignment (and I don't accept excuses from people who complain it's confining) is because the players who opposed it the most didn't role-play. They'd claim that alignment pigeonholes their characters, but in every alignment-free D&D game I've played, Bob was Bob no matter what he played or what his character name was. Bob the paladin. Bob the wizard. Bob the bard. The choices were always simple, obvious, predictably logical. Alignment FORCES players to make decisions based on additional factors, makes n00bs wear different skins.


How is alignment any more a motivator than role? If you can prod people for failing to play their alignment, you can do exactly the same thing for roles. If Bob's playing a paladin and he's not farking acting like a paladin should, then make his character experience the consequences of acting outside of his role. You're the GM, you have that power and, if you're not a dick about it, eventually the players will get the point.

I agree with OP. Alignments are, way too often, a hook that lazy players and lazy GMs use to circumvent actual role-playing, which shouldn't fit into simple alignment niches. If anything, alignment should be nothing more than a description of how a given player is playing their role at a given point in time, and not a prescription for how the role should be played [1]. Putting alignment at the forefront gets everything backwards.

[1] And yes, Paladin is something of a bad example since since it's the one role that does have something like an alignment naturally attached to it.
2012-05-03 07:33:23 PM  
1 vote:
I'm an old school D&D player. I mean, we started playing with the original set-- the one that was a paper scroll in a little box.

And let me say: I think assigning D&D alignments to Game of Thrones characters cheapens them.

It's a great book/TV series, and I don't really want to second-guess any of the characters, or pigeonhole them. I like the idea that things can and will change, including the allegiances and motivations of every character in the story.
2012-05-03 05:00:16 PM  
1 vote:
How the fark do you make an alignment chart without the CHART?

2012-05-03 04:59:12 PM  
1 vote:
How the fark do you make an alignment chart with the CHART?
2012-05-03 03:52:57 PM  
1 vote:

PonceAlyosha: I really believe he's the only person on that continent that upholds any form of a social contract.

I'm just having a hard time understanding how having your son's wife gangraped (and forcing your son to participate unknowingly) is upholding the social contract.
2012-05-03 03:51:02 PM  
1 vote:
I know a guy in RL who is TOTALLY lawful evil, so I have to disagree with their placement of littlefinger. He is really lawful evil, not neutral. He uses the rules and laws of the land to his advantage, to manipulate people and situations to his own end. To me, that is really the definition of lawful evil. When you want to picture lawful evil, think of your average congresscritter. They are using the laws and systems in place for solely their own advancement, nothing else.
2012-05-03 03:46:23 PM  
1 vote:

Tywin: Lawful Good


I would describe what he did to Castamere as going above and beyond what was required in dealing with a rebellion - not the acts of a good person. Similarly, what he did - and does- to Tyrion over his story is almost enough to put him in the evil area. He is a -terrible- person.
2012-05-03 03:17:03 PM  
1 vote:
I find it hard to the "regarding lawfulness" label hard to someone who is king, whereas they are the one that make the laws. Wouldn't all kings be considered "lawful", regardless of the good-----evil scale of their edicts?
2012-05-03 03:04:14 PM  
1 vote:

knightofargh: SpoilerAlert: What other lists could we make up?

What farker would they be?

Robert Baratheon = Drew Curtis
Cersei = Grable's Daughter
Tyrion = Pocket Ninja
Jon Snow = Gat_00
Hodor = meowsaysthedog
Joffery = Bevets

Hmmm...I like this game...
2012-05-03 03:00:09 PM  
1 vote:
What if we stopped linking to io9?
2012-05-03 02:49:16 PM  
1 vote:
io9 sucks.
2012-05-03 02:43:50 PM  
1 vote:
Tyrion was not true neutral he's one of the most 'good' characters in the whole series.

I'm glad they didn't include Jamie Lannister in the list. because they'd either be flat our wrong or spoil it for people who haven't read the books.


I told my wife, "yeah Jamie is kind of a dick at first but you'll end up liking him." She flat out refused to believe that he turns out to not be such an asshole until she finally caught up with the books.
2012-05-03 02:39:29 PM  
1 vote:

Xaxor: Tyrion is True Neutral? Varys is Neutral Good? LOL WUT.

I think the author hasn't read the books and has only seen the mini series. So must be basing this only on 1.5 books rather than all 5.

/Finish the God Damn Series Already! Get back to witting GRRM!
2012-05-03 02:24:15 PM  
1 vote:
Cersei is pretty much textbook Lawful Evil. She works within the rules and the systems of control and only looks out for herself.

Tyrion is a tough one.to call - Lawful Neutral would be my best guess (highly disciplined mind, has a great deal of personal integrity (though he'd deny it). He's loyal to the Lannisters (which skews towards evil) but is frequently conflcted with his family.which makes him neutral.
2012-05-03 02:00:25 PM  
1 vote:
that was written by someone that doesn't really understand the alignments of D&D (any version). Most of those are very wrong.

/nerd war!
2012-05-03 01:40:24 PM  
1 vote:
Robert may be a poor and often lazy king, but he clearly has a solid belief in the rule of law. Jack Sparrow is probably the best example of a truly chaotic neutral character in popular culture.

"Chaotic neutral characters like to indulge in everything. This is the insurgent, the con-man, gambler, and high roller; the uncommitted freebooter seeking nothing more than self-gratification...According to chaotic neutrals, laws and rules infringe on personal freedom and were meant to be broken. This character is always looking for the best deal, and will work with good, neutral, or evil to get it; as long as he comes out of the situation on top. The chaotic neutral is constantly teetering between good and evil, rebelling, and bending the law to fit his needs."
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